C1 compressor ducking does not work...

[Ron]

Hi Seth (anybody who reads this)

I've just recently bought the C1 compressor/gate from Waves and i think it's a great compressor,
Allthough i can't seem to get the side chaining ducking to work..

Fact is I tried to create a send on my drum track (just a sample from the audio library) to my bass track (also sample from audio library) And have the C1 compressor/gate work as ducking compressor whenever the kick obviously kicks in, Basically i could use this method when i have a game video audio stream and i want to do a voice over.

Now...i've read an post on a Abelton.com forum that this guys wasn't able to create the ducking compression either..
I've watched a bunch of video's on Youtube too and i noticed in Pro Tools there is a 'Key' Button
that will create the send option..

Also, this is very perculiar in Cubase the side chain buttion is totally different and it has more a schematic look, but it is there to create the send.

I would be very surprised if the Ducking compression is not possible in Sonar Platinum, but the video of side chaining on Youtube is very very outdated and the compressor used there is not the one i want to use plus the way it's achieved is different..

Maybe i'm not doing something right, would love to hear it!

Ron

[Vee Nee]

Sidechaining with C1 compressor works perfectly in Sonar. You just put a compressor on a track you want to compress and then you send another signal in it's second input. One thing you have to notice is that you don't have to use "C1 comp-sc" version (at least with VST3 version). You need to use regular version of C1 compressor ("C1 comp Mono" or "C1 comp Stereo"). C1 compressor will automatically start to use sidechain input instead of regular input when you connect something to it's second (sidechain) input. It is the same way as with any other compressor with sidechain input if it does not have a sidechain on/off toggle switch.
Tell me if you need a screenshot or short video as an example.

[Ron]

Originally posted by Vee Nee:

Sidechaining with C1 compressor works perfectly in Sonar. You just put a compressor on a track you want to compress and then you send another signal in it's second input. One thing you have to notice is that you don't have to use "C1 comp-sc" version (at least with VST3 version). You need to use regular version of C1 compressor ("C1 comp Mono" or "C1 comp Stereo"). C1 compressor will automatically start to use sidechain input instead of regular input when you connect something to it's second (sidechain) input. It is the same way as with any other compressor with sidechain input if it does not have a sidechain on/off toggle switch.
Tell me if you need a screenshot or short video as an example.

Hey thanks, allthough i don't fully get how it works.. if you could do a video on this i would gladly want to see it. Do you have a youtube channel?

[Vee Nee]

I have just made a short video demonstrating the basic usage of C1 as a sidechain compressor. Hope it helps, as i'am not a videoblogger :) Some steps on this video:
1) Demo of sound without compression applied
2) Added "C1 comp Stereo" to the "Pad" channel and showed that it hears the Pad signal (as a regular compressor do)
3) Added Send from Kick channel to "C1 comp Stereo (Input 2) - Pad" input - it is the second input of C1 compressor on pad channel
4) You can see that now C1 input level indicator reacts on Kick signal
5) Adjusted compression parameters so it actually starts compressing the signal. At this stage sidechained compression is clearly audible
6) Decreased the level of the signal sent from Kick channel to prove that C1 compressor on the Pad channel hears only the kick, C1 knows when it's second input is connected to something and uses only sidechain input on it's detector in that case.
https://youtu.be/cDFVSN4TJQ4

[Ron]

Originally posted by Vee Nee:

I have just made a short video demonstrating the basic usage of C1 as a sidechain compressor. Hope it helps, as i'am not a videoblogger :) Some steps on this video:
1) Demo of sound without compression applied
2) Added "C1 comp Stereo" to the "Pad" channel and showed that it hears the Pad signal (as a regular compressor do)
3) Added Send from Kick channel to "C1 comp Stereo (Input 2) - Pad" input - it is the second input of C1 compressor on pad channel
4) You can see that now C1 input level indicator reacts on Kick signal
5) Adjusted compression parameters so it actually starts compressing the signal. At this stage sidechained compression is clearly audible
6) Decreased the level of the signal sent from Kick channel to prove that C1 compressor on the Pad channel hears only the kick, C1 knows when it's second input is connected to something and uses only sidechain input on it's detector in that case.
https://youtu.be/cDFVSN4TJQ4

Hey man thanks!! i'm gonna try it out right away, bit strange i did not see the same option yesterday, i think i must have used the wrong compressor type. anyway thanks alot!!

[Vee Nee]

I'm sure wrong version of compressor was used. Only "C1 comp" and "C1 gate" do have sidechain input. "C1 comp-sc" and "C1 comp-gate" do not. So if you need both, compressor and gate, to use external sidechain input you have to use separate "C1 comp" and "C1 gate" plugins, not a combo version "C1 comp-gate".

[Ron]

Originally posted by Vee Nee:

I'm sure wrong version of compressor was used. Only "C1 comp" and "C1 gate" do have sidechain input. "C1 comp-sc" and "C1 comp-gate" do not. So if you need both, compressor and gate, to use external sidechain input you have to use separate "C1 comp" and "C1 gate" plugins, not a combo version "C1 comp-gate".

Noted man, thanks i tried it out and it works like a charm, bit different to set up than i have seen but super cool that it works, now i know to do side chaining and parallel compression ;)