Cold Tyres - Can't warm them up | Understanding tyre pressure

[DarkMasta]

Can someone help me with this?

I have some issues with some cars regarding tyre temperature.

For example the Audi A1 Quatro on Algarve track in hot weather. I can't for the life in me warm the tyres during an entire 4 lap race. I already tried to go with around 2 bar I already tried 1 bar I already tried in between. But the tyres are always super cold and slippery and they stay like that.

Also I just did the Mclaren proving grounds challenge and I also couldn't warm up the tyres during the entire race. I went with the minimum of 1bar and still ice cold. I tried higher and higher values and nothing.

Supposedly the lower the pressure, the warmer or easier to warm it is. But be it lower or higher it's always cold for the duration of the entire race.

[Wylie28]

Have you verified the integrity of the game files?

Is this happening with all cars on all tracks?

[Wylie28]

And what season/tyre comp. are you running? If you are in the winter on hard slicks, yes tire temps will be an issue.

[DarkMasta]

Originally posted by Wylie28:

And what season/tyre comp. are you running? If you are in the winter on hard slicks, yes tire temps will be an issue.

I just do the races so I set the tyre temperatures and start the race and I do the entire race with green tyres. However in some cars (the ones I mentioned for example) the tyres stay blue during the entire race!

I do a custom race with the Audi on algarve on hot weather running soft slicks. If I use the default pressure they still stay cold. If I put higher pressure the same. If I lower it still stays cold.

I don't understand why. I even experiment by driving really agressive, breaking hard, burnouts and I can't get them out of the blue.

[Wylie28]

Originally posted by DarkMasta:

Originally posted by Wylie28:

And what season/tyre comp. are you running? If you are in the winter on hard slicks, yes tire temps will be an issue.

I just do the races so I set the tyre temperatures and start the race and I do the entire race with green tyres. However in some cars (the ones I mentioned for example) the tyres stay blue during the entire race!

I do a custom race with the Audi on algarve on hot weather running soft slicks. If I use the default pressure they still stay cold. If I put higher pressure the same. If I lower it still stays cold.

I don't understand why. I even experiment by driving really agressive, breaking hard, burnouts and I can't get them out of the blue.

Sounds like a bug. Maybe a display error? Does the car drive ok?

[DarkMasta]

Originally posted by Wylie28:

Originally posted by DarkMasta:

I just do the races so I set the tyre temperatures and start the race and I do the entire race with green tyres. However in some cars (the ones I mentioned for example) the tyres stay blue during the entire race!

I do a custom race with the Audi on algarve on hot weather running soft slicks. If I use the default pressure they still stay cold. If I put higher pressure the same. If I lower it still stays cold.

I don't understand why. I even experiment by driving really agressive, breaking hard, burnouts and I can't get them out of the blue.

Sounds like a bug. Maybe a display error? Does the car drive ok?

The Audi feels very slippery but I don't know if it's just how the car handles or if it's because of the cold tyres. Cause like I said it doesn't matter what tyre pressure I use, it always feels the same and it always displays blue.

I already checked some videos of people playing with green tyres and I used the pressure accordingly to what I saw but nothing...it doesn't heat up.

While we are at it. I have also never gotten overheated tyres.

If it starts green it ends green. The only car I can overheat the tyres is the Rocket Bunny while messing around trying to drift.

[DarkMasta]

I just did the first event for Mclaren and my tyres started out green and by the second lap they were already cold and losing pressure.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1566348843

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1566349019

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1566348596

Here is the pressure, the track conditions and how I ended the race.

Help me understand why they get cold instead of hot. The pressure is at the minimum! Using the default pressure around 1.50 is meaningless also. It starts green and by the second lap it is already cold.

What am I doing wrong.

[DarkMasta]

Like I said. I don't know. Even when I experience by messing around breaking and doing burnouts and going agressively. The tyres get cold wtf

[Mahjik]

The GT1's, IIRC, use an older and harder compound. i.e. back when they ran, they didn't have the same tire tech that exists today so they just to deal with whatever conditions they had.

With that, what are the exact tire temps you are seeing (i.e. ignore the colors)?

[morgoth13]

Wow that's really cold. That would probably explain it. It might just be that you're running in the winter season, but I still don't remember seeing temperatures that low when I was doing it. It's been a while for me so it might get colder now.

[ErrantKnave]

This happens to me as well, a lot! I prefer to not have to tweak a bunch of settings on every car for every track (are you kidding?) just to go drive/race around a track without spinning or missing most of the corners. I will try to reduce the brake duct openings, and fiddle with tire pressures, some.
I don't have to do that in real life, and I manage to finish the event with the car intact, so why not in PC2? Just bizarre.

[ASR@Feynman]

In pcars 1 ,,,lower tyre pressure to increase tyre temp....pcars 2 increase tyre pressure to increase tyre temp....Seems to be the case in many cars ive raced

[Mahjik]

Originally posted by ASR@Feynman:

In pcars 1 ,,,lower tyre pressure to increase tyre temp....pcars 2 increase tyre pressure to increase tyre temp....Seems to be the case in many cars ive raced

Technically, it's the same tire model in PC1 and PC2. However, PC2 has enhanced some of the other factors which influence tire behavior. In general, lower tire pressures create more friction. More friction generates more heat. However, there is an area of diminishing returns. Too low tire pressure has other affects and makes driving more difficult. Those can make you slower, thus not being able to push the tires to generate tire temps.

In short, you have to find the right balance of tire pressures for the specific situation for the specific track (just like in real life).

[Veasna]

Have any clips of your race?

[DarkMasta]

I thought I could forget this problem but I can't. Im dedicating myself a bit more to the game and this is setting me back.

Another example.

Racing on 01/06/2018 in the Summer at 13h00.

The car is th Evo IX. With 2.00Bar on the tyres. Here's the thing.

If i equip the medium tyres, they are green and they stay that way the entire race.
If I equip the soft ones, they are cold and they only warm up a bit like almost at the end of the race and even so, it still feels very wobbly compared to the medium tyres.I don't understand this. Shouldnt the soft ones be more grippy and get hotter faster?

Do certain tyres work in diferent ways with diferent cars? If I put medium on the lancer they are green from the get go and stay like that regardless, if I put the soft ones I have less grip, but on other cars the same happens but with diferent compounds. All of them have like a set of tyres that is always green but the other ones are always cold.

[morgoth13]

That does seem to be a thing, at least with some street cars. I've seen it a couple of times on the street Vette. If you use softs they seem to need you to heat them way up to in order to get any grip at all, but mediums will start turning green at a much lower temperature and give significantly better grip despite ultimately only getting slightly warmer than the softs. I assumed it was just the P-Zero softs worked that way but I haven't tested a ton of different combinations.