GT3 Class Balance

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GT3 is the most popular racing class in sim racing. But the GT3 cars in PCARS 2 are very unbalanced. You rarely see anyone pick the Mercedes AMG, Cadillac, Aston Martin, Z4 or the Bentley. Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, M6 and the NSX are mostly what you see, with the GT-R thrown in there occasionally. This class needs serious balancing to allow all the cars to compete properly.

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Excatly how is anything he said absurd ? What's absurd is ppl offering their opinions on a matter without detailed reasons on said subject. If you can't explain why you feel a certain way about something then your opinion is worthless. ASR@Feynman understands what I'm talking about. I for one really like the AMG GT3, but no one ever picks it cause you can't compete in it, same goes for my beloved Bentley. I'm not asking to make the cars dead even, just competitive with one another.

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Originally posted by Leijo:

Originally posted by CyberPolice:

Watch out guys we got ourselves a backseat driver who thinks he knows whats right for a sim game
typical muricans

What is "muricans"

It's how illiterates not from America say American. This is usually used in a derogatory manner, but only serves to show the user of such terms as uneducated trollish scum.

[OMG 77]

Project cars 1 gt3 cars seemed quite equal on most tracks not so much on new game. If you drive with no assists like me most car on pc2 are ok until the tyres get warmed up then some become un drive able only r8, Ferrari, nxs, are ok to drive for me the rest I just spin after couple of laps. Hopefully they fix this so all cars are ok to drive with no assists because its so boring with assists on, foot flats to the floor and let the game sort out the traction is so boring it puts me to sleep.

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Originally posted by ..SMILER..:

Project cars 1 gt3 cars seemed quite equal on most tracks not so much on new game. If you drive with no assists like me most car on pc2 are ok until the tyres get warmed up then some become un drive able only r8, Ferrari, nxs, are ok to drive for me the rest I just spin after couple of laps. Hopefully they fix this so all cars are ok to drive with no assists because its so boring with assists on, foot flats to the floor and let the game sort out the traction is so boring it puts me to sleep.

Many of the cars in PC2 are broken. It's a common theme for games that include 100+ cars from the beginning. There is no way that they tested each one of these cars in RL to match the simulated version. The ones that are done well feel and drive as they do in other sims. I have no faith in them sorting it all out in the appropriate manner. They will apply bandaids but not ever make them accurate. This is the common theme with SMS and goes back several titles that were left a mess. They need to open the platform up for the modding community at least then we will get some long term support.

[Mn8 Vr]

Get use to it this as real as it can get

[ASR@Feynman]

Who says it’s as real as it can get....SMS hype?....SMS have tried to get closer to real thing in this game compared to Pcars1. In some areas they have succeeded....playing the single player game wasn’t very “real”...prior to patch 2....check the vid that was posted re bad driving in the game....BUT...check out how REAL the cars behave when in a collisions.

This is a good game which just, like Pcars1 before it , needs a bit more time and a bit more testing from all you beta testers out there ;)

REALITY ...REAL....if people just race a couple of Gt3 cars because the others are too slow...seems kinda pointless to me.....We all want the same thing...fun races...lots of drivers...hopefully a grid with a mix of cars...in Gt3 not just a grid of Ferrari’s...It human nature for people to choose the fastest car

[ASR@Feynman]

a machine designed to provide a realistic imitation of the controls and operation of a vehicle, aircraft, or other complex system, used for training purposes.

One that simulates, especially an apparatus that generates test conditions approximating actual or operational conditions.

YOU do not understand............approximating........how old are you?

[SRR Krieg]

Originally posted by CyberPolice:

Watch out guys we got ourselves a backseat driver who thinks he knows whats right for a sim game
typical muricans

That's funny. I'm American and I know the Federation Internationale De L'automobile (specifically the GT Bureau of the FIA) Regulates the performance of all Group GT3 participants to ensure a competitive class.

Min. Weight
BOP Ballast Weight
Final Weight (without driver)
FIA restrictor size
RH front and rear mm sizes
Pboost bar A / RPM

I also know they have been known to increase or decrease their specifications mid season if it appears they had it wrong. Things they regulate (subject to change)

Blancpain SRO GT Bureau brakes it down by car year 2016, 2015, 2013/14 and in each section it states something to the effect of "The SRO Sporting Board is allowed to modify any parameter required to establish the balance of perfromance cfr art 94 of the Sporting Reg.


So we are mid season and there are some seriously under balanced cars.
Sorry you feel us stupid americans are back seat drivers Mr. Fancy pants but for myself...Im just going by the rules.
You can read right...not sure where you are from but I hope you are not the norm as if you are it will be the death of motorsport.

Balancing the cars does not mean they all drive the same. I think it's amazing how some of the cars are great in some sections where others shine in others. I have had some great races catch em up on the straits, they pull in the corners, but lap times were very close. This is balance, the end result lap times....not "they all drive the same".

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Agreed OP but at the same time I do enjoy grabbing one of the lesser used cars and racing with it. My fav is taking out the renault and people are like wth....and oh boy if you win....it's a moment to be had :D

[ASR@Feynman]

Yes I’m not very good....I wish I was a better driver for sure.....As for Gt3 cars...yes..balance so we have more varied cars on the track..
.They will be different to drive but competitive...
.I will practice more. Are you quite good Jioshouxu?
Can you give me some driving advice ?

[8mob8]

i forget which gt3 it was but its the one w/the top speed at 191 and i couldnt get it to turn in for nothing....put the front downforce to 1 and on the nord i was looking at the stars literally scraping the back off the car after cresting that first insane incline lol

[Red Leader]

I definitely think the Ferrari 488 needs another look design-wise. It rips through the other GT3 cars on most tracks.

[ASR@Feynman]

It’s the fastest car on most tracks....the mclaren is also pretty good.....but.....for the majority of people playing the game, I don’t think it’s good to have one car so dominant....on so many tracks....it’s human nature to...want to win...so what car will people choose?

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BMW z4 has good grip tried that for first time in this game got some good times. Definitely the best front engine gt3 car with no assists on.

[SRR Krieg]

Originally posted by Real Caliphate:

Oh I can’t give you any advise, if you are bad then you are bad, and gt3 cars behave differently because that’s how they are in real life, understand? “sim”, and deal with it]

- You do realize the cars behaving differently has absolutely nothing to do with balance, right?
- Do you know what BoP is?
- Do you know that every GT series implements BoP regulations and adjusts them routinely throughout the season (track specific regs for BoP)?
- Do you even follow motorsport?
- Hell in 2016 there were 10 BoP changes to GTE and only 9 races...if you follow motorsport surely you picked up on this (they didn’t make the cars drive the same mate...they balanced the performance...you know...real world ish)
- Did you read my last post or just pass it up so you can act like a donkey and tell people they are bad, this game is a sim and ohhhhh so real world blahblah (see the 3rd and 4th bullet on real world)?

No one is asking for the cars to drive the same. No one is asking for the cars to drive themselves.

If you don't know what BoP is and insist on showing your ignorance well then keep on keeping on. I always enjoy a good laugh.

...and i’m fairly certain he was being sarcastic but congrats on taking the bait lolz.