how to restore previous version of save?

[Trade Commends]

I play with manual saves. So I saved a game and did something stupid to see what would happen. My important guy died. I thought that I had a save so everything is okay and quit the game. Only this game forces save upon exiting without asking, and deletes autosave too, like what the ♥♥♥♥? Who the ♥♥♥♥ does this in the year 2015? So I want my guy back, either by somehow restoring old save or autosave, or via cheats. This is so pointlessly stupid and frustrating and shouldn't have happened that I'd just uninstall and try to get a refund if I can't get my progress back. And since we live in the future I have a ssd drive, so Im led to believe data recovery programs wont help me find a not really deleted file.

[Itkovian]

When I started playing the game, I used saves extensively because it took me a while to learn the mechanics. I didn't run into your situation, but I can imagine how I would have felt. I'm sorry that you lost your save, and I hope you are willing to abandon it and start a new game. The god XP carries over, so it's not a waste. :) I find the game's replay value very high, so much so that if I just get screwed right from the start, I have no issue with scrapping that game and starting a new one.

[bydlaq]

One will not try to savescuming in Thea

[Trade Commends]

Originally posted by ilikemadeupnames:

When I started playing the game, I used saves extensively because it took me a while to learn the mechanics. I didn't run into your situation, but I can imagine how I would have felt. I'm sorry that you lost your save, and I hope you are willing to abandon it and start a new game. The god XP carries over, so it's not a waste. :) I find the game's replay value very high, so much so that if I just get screwed right from the start, I have no issue with scrapping that game and starting a new one.

If the gameplay screws me over then fine, whatever, but if my save file is stolen from me because I didn't think I have to exit the game by alt+F4 instead of the normal way, that's an entirely different feeling.

Originally posted by bydlaq:

One will not try to savescuming in Thea :death:

One will ♥♥♥♥ off and not tell other people how to play video games or spend time or live their life in the privacy of their own home when it doesn't affect you in any way.

[Itkovian]

Originally posted by Ivan_the:

Originally posted by ilikemadeupnames:

When I started playing the game, I used saves extensively because it took me a while to learn the mechanics. I didn't run into your situation, but I can imagine how I would have felt. I'm sorry that you lost your save, and I hope you are willing to abandon it and start a new game. The god XP carries over, so it's not a waste. :) I find the game's replay value very high, so much so that if I just get screwed right from the start, I have no issue with scrapping that game and starting a new one.

If the gameplay screws me over then fine, whatever, but if my save file is stolen from me because I didn't think I have to exit the game by alt+F4 instead of the normal way, that's an entirely different feeling.

Originally posted by bydlaq:

One will not try to savescuming in Thea :death:

One will ♥♥♥♥ off and not tell other people how to play video games or spend time or live their life in the privacy of their own home when it doesn't affect you in any way.

I agree with you. It is a very frustrating situation to lose your saved game. The good news is that no game is really "lost" because the points carry over, unlocking that god's skills and potentially unlocking other gods. Thea is such a fantastic game that I hope you can see past this issue and enjoy it like I have! :)

[Sarger]

Anyway, Ivan, this is just a first loss you will experience playing Thea. This game is more and more attractive with every challenge you won and lost. Give it another try, you will not regret it. :)

[Trade Commends]

Originally posted by sargerres:

Anyway, Ivan, this is just a first loss you will experience playing Thea. This game is more and more attractive with every challenge you won and lost. Give it another try, you will not regret it. :)

So this game will delete my files without asking even more? Press the wrong button in game and it formats drive C: ? As it is the saving is completely broken and unusable in this game, it's obviously not ready to leave pre-release.

[licker34]

It's a a rougelike.

There is no 'saving' in any way you would normally think about saving.

Maybe they will make it possible to have multiple saves, maybe not, but for now, yeah, it's a rougelike, so there are no saves to back up to.

Which is as it should be for roguelikes.

[Trade Commends]

It's not a rougelike. It's a civilisationlike. The rouge-lite elements, no matter what you want the game to be, no matter how well they fit, are a tacked on element. They were just lazy and didn't implement proper saving first and add hardcore made later, which is their horrible embarassing mistake. They made saving possible. That's it, saves are possible, no taking it back. You can have multiple saves if just backup the savefiles yourself. Hell, it already has a regular savefile and an autosavefile, no shenanigans required, multiple saves, like it should be for GOODGAMES. What they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up was that it doesn't allow you to quit without saving, which is still possible, you just have to hack it by pressing ALT+F4, that it deletes your autosave without asking, which you can save by backing up the file, and not handling multiple saves properly, which you can also do yourself with files.

See, most people dont care how hardcore your epeen is, they want to enjoy a game at their own pace, saving and loading when they want to and not losing hard earned progress because the menu implementation is ♥♥♥♥. You might not believe it, but many people dont want to go through the same 2 hours of weak gamestart content just to see what was around the left corner in that premade static same every time you play the game encounter, and in good games they don't have to, as it should be for any games.

So get off your high horse, and stop telling people to enjoy things they dont enjoy just because you do. They dont need your instruction to have fun.

[Pentalis]

Ivan, you're clearly angry.
You lost your save because you assumed a mechanic about the game that wasn't so.

The issue here is simple:
The game didn't conform to your vision.

That's all.

If you want a refund because it didn't conform to your vision, that's fine.

The game does conform to my vision and I like that the game makes it difficult to hold multiple saves. I like that it forces save on quit (that's why the button says "Save and Quit"). Things that you described as flaws, I consider virtues. It's a matter of personal taste, because this was a design decision, not laziness on the part of the developers. But you didn't like their decision and that's an entirely acceptable reason to ask for a refund, you didn't get the game you expected to get.

With that said... I'd say you'd be missing out if you refunded it.

[Gemini]

"The game combines turn-based strategic gameplay with the tension and grit of a rogue-like, a captivating story you can uncover through a series of in-game events, and a unique combat system based on a complex card battle game."

I literally cut and copy that from the official description of the game (by the company) on the Steam store. Note the words "rogue-like" before the first comma.

Also, while you are looking at that, note that rogue is spelled r-o-g-u-e, not r-o-u-g-e. The latter word is a shade of red.

-Gemini

[slatingsangan]

i realy like the start of this game it's a bit of a struggle when you get 30+ guys in your team it gets to easy

[Trade Commends]

Hey, lets omit a bunch of usual expected features and call it hardcore! Fanboys who lack the willpower to stop themselves from reloading but want to be hardcore will lap it up! Oh no, some people still want to save, lets hastily and poorly implement saving, but not polished this feature we tacked on at all! Let the users make up the lack of features. Who needs to develop quitting without saving when users can be forced to kill the program themselves! Why make convenient multiple saves when users can ♥♥♥♥ around with file backups themselves! What a glorious artistic vision! If you want to play the good underlying game without the unnecessary tacked on hardcoreness, well you're missing out and we will make your life hard until you quit or conform.

[Trade Commends]

Originally posted by slatingsangan:

i realy like the start of this game it's a bit of a struggle when you get 30+ guys in your team it gets to easy

Some people still have a lot of fun when something isn't hard or even unwinnable but still playable for a long waste of time if you lose enough dudes. I dont care what you think is too easy. I care that saving is implemented poorly and the game does unwanted things to a player's files without asking or informing the player. If I wanted to feel like certain parts of my body were very big i'd go to the menu and specifically choose the "make my life hard for no good reason" option that was put there for people like me, and then all these people who never wanted to anything else come here teaching me how to live my life because things and people HAVE TO CONFORM!

[Gemini]

You don't have to conform. You can choose to not enjoy this type of game. But you were never being tricked in any way. It is literally advertised as a rogue-like. The menu explicitly says "Save and Exit" (or maybe "Save and Quit"). If you look at the start menu, there is no "Load" button, only a "Continue" button. That is a pretty clear indicator that the game is designed to not allow saves and reloads (when played normally). And if all that weren't enough, there are a couple hundred reviews for this game, all publicly visible on the store page. Many of those reviews discuss the rogue-like nature of the game.

If you had unreasonable expectations, that is entirely your fault. The slightest amount of research would have told you what to expect. You can't blame others if you don't do a little research before making a purchase. That is like buying a Honda Shadow Phantom and then being upset that it only has 2 wheels.

-Gemini

[monkbel]

Eh. I remember now how I played Angband and ADOM in high school, alt+tabbing and f5-copying savegame files around