Question Orc Warrior and two-handed axe

[Derek]

Orc Warriors can't carry two-handed axes in one hand (at least wiki says it must be like this). Or Orc Warrior and Orc Fighter are not the same creature? Or only atrracted by steel buildings Orc Fighter can wield two-handed axe in one hand (because mine was given as a reward in event)?

[sers [GER]]

I stumbled about the same issue. After building a lot of elven wood stuff to attract elves I finally got two non-Humans by events: One female Orc Warrior who won't wield two-handed axe as one-handed combined with shield, and one Ghost who does not have magic as a skill... ... the latter makes me sad, too, since I built the building for turning freshly grown ups into magic users and the building for healers, but the last 150 turns the now 8 brats refuse to grow up... I have a population of 26 though (lot of grown ups in early game), so i should probably start killing gatherers to have new children grow up :-(((

On the orc two-handed-axe issue: besides that wikia entry I only found one change request from a user asking for orcs wielding two handed axes one handed because of a buff of the human warrior. I read a lot of changelogs, but found no note, that the request would have been fulfilled. Maybe the wikia entry is wrong on the orc fighters.

[Fortuna]

Human Warriors don't use 2H axes with shields either. That's 2H swords.

You can make anyone a magic user with an Enchanted Bone shield, a Moonstone/Mithril sword, and Ancient Wood jewellery.

[sers [GER]]

Fortuna님이 먼저 게시:

Human Warriors don't use 2H axes with shields either. That's 2H swords.

I didn't say human warriors could wield two handed axes (I guess).
So I will have to use the orc as third Hammer User - though she does not even have overly impressive base damage (yet? She is still two levels below my best warrior).

Thanks as well for the tip with the jewelry, I am just about to "force-magic" the unmagical ghost with runebone shield and moonstone 1-Hand sword. Time to spend development points in jewelry.
It appears, that a human warrior can get the highest possible magic bonus from equipment, since highest possible magic bonus in a weapon (5) is in a 2-hand-sword, which he can combine with a enchanted bones shield. (The 2h sword has one magic point more than the hammer, sorry dwarves!)

Which brings me to another point. The binding of highest magic bonus to moonstone which happens to be the highest damage material feels suboptimal (in my humble opinion). I cannot give a (hypotetical, since I have none yet) natural magic user class weaponry and clothing, which feel right for them from roleplaying point of view.
Closest thing to feel natural is the medium armor made of enchanted bones, which fits exactly for a shaman kind of magic user (and for my ghost ;-)). But what about robes and weapons? I can find no way to craft a staff whith any magic bonus at all. Isn't a staff THE weapon you think first of, when thinking about magic users' main tool?
A staff made of either Moonstone or enchanted-bones (or both!) would make absolutely sense to me.

[Saiko Kila]

Many pikes look like staves to me. More resemble actual magic staves from fiction, than weapons named "staves" in Thea. Also, there is no difference between staf and pike in Thea, both count as piercing weapons. I don't know how strong must the wizard be to be able to actually pierce someone or somethin with a staff...

[sers [GER]]

I considered spears as well, but given their tiny possible magic bonuses they don't make for good equipment for magic users - although you are right, the artworks fit quite well in some cases. They are quite cost efficient, use fewer ressources (resulting in overall weaker Boni, compared to 2H Swords, f.e.), and only for the lesser secondary ressource magic material can be chosen, resulting in maximum possible magic Bonus of +1. Compare this to +5 of 2H sword plus +6 of a shield which a human warrior can combine.

[FlyingFrills]

sers GER님이 먼저 게시:

Fortuna님이 먼저 게시:

Human Warriors don't use 2H axes with shields either. That's 2H swords.

I didn't say human warriors could wield two handed axes (I guess).
So I will have to use the orc as third Hammer User - though she does not even have overly impressive base damage (yet? She is still two levels below my best warrior).

Thanks as well for the tip with the jewelry, I am just about to "force-magic" the unmagical ghost with runebone shield and moonstone 1-Hand sword. Time to spend development points in jewelry.
It appears, that a human warrior can get the highest possible magic bonus from equipment, since highest possible magic bonus in a weapon (5) is in a 2-hand-sword, which he can combine with a enchanted bones shield. (The 2h sword has one magic point more than the hammer, sorry dwarves!)

Which brings me to another point. The binding of highest magic bonus to moonstone which happens to be the highest damage material feels suboptimal (in my humble opinion). I cannot give a (hypotetical, since I have none yet) natural magic user class weaponry and clothing, which feel right for them from roleplaying point of view.
Closest thing to feel natural is the medium armor made of enchanted bones, which fits exactly for a shaman kind of magic user (and for my ghost ;-)). But what about robes and weapons? I can find no way to craft a staff whith any magic bonus at all. Isn't a staff THE weapon you think first of, when thinking about magic users' main tool?
A staff made of either Moonstone or enchanted-bones (or both!) would make absolutely sense to me.

Generally the better magic-users who can use equip will like the axes/swords, like elves, Liho, Baba-yaga,Striga, etc. I'd say thematically in Thea, the strongest magic-users tend to be supernatural monsters with crazy strength as opposed to frail human sages who tend to only have a whiff of magical potential.

Staves can give Magic-relevant stats like Divination/Sixth Sense, similar to clothes. While they don't buff Magic, you could consider the buffing of Hex-relevant skills to be thematical right? :p

[Saiko Kila]

sers GER님이 먼저 게시:

I considered spears as well, but given their tiny possible magic bonuses they don't make for good equipment for magic users - although you are right, the artworks fit quite well in some cases. They are quite cost efficient, use fewer ressources (resulting in overall weaker Boni, compared to 2H Swords, f.e.), and only for the lesser secondary ressource magic material can be chosen, resulting in maximum possible magic Bonus of +1. Compare this to +5 of 2H sword plus +6 of a shield which a human warrior can combine.

Yeah, well, I suppose this is a difference in playstyle. I give Magic weapons only to people who already have some Magic, and human warriors tend not to have too much of it. Also, I like other 2H swords better than Zorya's blade. In my engame team of Mokosh, I had 12 elves and 7 strigas (no number limit on team), not to count assorted warriors and demons, and only one elf had Zorya's blade, which I found (it was moonstone+steel, so only +3 to Magic). It is easier to me to find a magic user, than to make a good magic weapon which woudn't suck in the department of actual damage... And shields I don't make at all, unlocking them as the last research item. I use magic shields from the underground tunnel event.

Still, I use magic enhancements if feasible, and the first weapons I make are usually Leshy's Hair with Magic (alternate version - with Leech).

As for themes... real-life ancient slavic magic users (volkhs and eaters) weren't know to use any particular magic weapons, though in reenactments they sometimes carry staves (the warriors were there to defend them against these slimy Christians or whatnot). But since a pike is essentially a staff with a pointy metal end, it's close enough to me.

[Long Plays]

Saiko Kila님이 먼저 게시:

... And shields I don't make at all, unlocking them as the last research item. I use magic shields from the underground tunnel event.

Are these actual shields that you picked up from an event, or a crafting recipe, or a blessing/magic that adds shield? And which underground tunnel event? The dragon one?

[Anastaziel]

Yes. Orc figher and orc warrior are different. One can have an axe in one hand.

[Derek]

Anastaziel님이 먼저 게시:

Yes. Orc figher and orc warrior are different. One can have an axe in one hand.

And how one can get an orc warrior?

[Saiko Kila]

Long Plays님이 먼저 게시:

Saiko Kila님이 먼저 게시:

... And shields I don't make at all, unlocking them as the last research item. I use magic shields from the underground tunnel event.

Are these actual shields that you picked up from an event, or a crafting recipe, or a blessing/magic that adds shield? And which underground tunnel event? The dragon one?

Yes, the one which would lead to dragon if I went right. I always go left, and choose the answer which gives me shield and stuff. The shield is apparently scaled to world difficulty (I don't know what percentage), but even the lowest ones are often enough to keep to the end. In general I accumulate so many shields I use them as a "goblinite", to melt down, but the ones from the dwarf survivor I tend to keep.

Most my people have shield, but I don't remember last time I actually made one.

[Anastaziel]

Derek님이 먼저 게시:

Anastaziel님이 먼저 게시:

Yes. Orc figher and orc warrior are different. One can have an axe in one hand.

And how one can get an orc warrior?

I do not remember how I got one.

[Civeteran]

Perhaps in exchange of one of your group members after helping the orcs with tools and have a meal with them (where you can get an orc worker if you deny the exchange)?

[Saiko Kila]

Civeteran님이 먼저 게시:

Perhaps in exchange of one of your group members after helping the orcs with tools and have a meal with them (where you can get an orc worker if you deny the exchange)?

I did that two times, and got and got orc fighter every time. Orc Fighter is rather powerful, but can't use any of two-handed weapons together with a shield.

There are other events which can grant orcs, like the one where they want to use a smithy. I agreed, and they gave me two orcs: one fighter and one worker. But the fighter had the same limitation. I check every orc (and dwarf) if they can use any 2H weapon with a shield, and so far only Wilbert the dwarf from Holy Hog Hunt was able to do so. He can use any 2H weapon (axe, hammer, sword etc.) with a shield. But orcs? Nope.

[Anastaziel]

I am sure I did not get the orc that can use a two-handed axe from the orc exchange quest as they never game me anything when I refused to exchange people.