Worst FM version ever

[r4mme]

I've seen a lot of posts out there about this years match engine, and here's another one.

I have played this game since 2005 and I've never posted any critisism about this game.
But this years version has got my temper rolling like a bomb.

They have done something this year.. I don't know what or why but this game just got incredibly stupid. Losing games 4-1, 5-1, 3-0 and Opposition AI walking straight through the box with the ball, hitting crosses like gods and having forwards at the right place at the right time ALL the time. No change in the extra time goals either, been scored on countless times sometimes 2-3 goals within 2 minutes several games per season, losing games to bottom tier teams.

Scoring once or twice on 8 - 10 clear cut chances, while the opposition AI scores 4 times on 4 half chances.

I mean I could go on...

My defenders are acting like monkeys and if I set to defending, set my line deep and focus on keeping position the AI send crosses to counter. If I push up and try to trap them with high pressure they send a through ball to counter. Of course this is the solution/counter to my adjustments during the game, but it's the success rate in which the opposition AI carry out these instructions. Only way to POSSIBLY win these days is by playing a big club, and even they have defending and attacking problems. I've never been into taking over the biggest club in the world, I play my way up from lower and focus on development.

Because I focus on my own development I need a rigid system and I usually play the same way every game with small adjustments depending on away/home and form. The time the AI needs to see and counter my own instructions are crazy, it's like every single AI manager is José Mourinho.

Oh and please, I've please this game for 10 years in a row the same way with pretty much the same outcome, it's the reason I love this game.

I'm sorry SI, you still have my love but this years version is just terrible.

I read a programmers post a while back, not a programmer for SI just a programmer who had worked on several games.. he said: " It's easy to make an AI win, the challenge lies in making it lose ". Please make it lose again.

[BoujeeTheAlan]

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198078199633/screenshot/496889383558911016

While I won't come out here and say the ai is perfect, its not unreasonably difficult at all. I much rather it to the situation a few years back when you could get 20+ goals a season from set-pieces on a CB provided he was 6'4+ and at the near post

[JamesBCFC]

Originally posted by nm774:

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198078199633/screenshot/496889383558911016

While I won't come out here and say the ai is perfect, its not unreasonably difficult at all. I much rather it to the situation a few years back when you could get 20+ goals a season from set-pieces on a CB provided he was 6'4+ and at the near post

Well, Aden Flint got 15 goals as a CB back last season, so not totally unreal ;)

[EddyDeWallyvis]

Totally agree. Played almost every FM to date, now 270h in FM16...and I see the same thing happening over and over again in FM16. You have a good tactic and you're winning matches. Once your reputation or whatever climbs, the AI becomes a monster. It has an answer to everything you do. It really doesn't matter how good or bad the opponent is, it will become this monster that will slaughter you while your players start acting like clowns. Started a new game few days back. My first 9 games, won 8, lost 1. After that point, I started losing. 3 wins in 25 matches. Reloaded from that point 7 times now. Same thing keeps happening. Best I achieved, was winning 5 in 25. Every matchreport shows the same from that point. My team dominating, yet the opponent can score from 3 half chances. Tried everything from that point. Changing tactic, changing squad, training,...you name it. Nothing changes. It's as if that team just is not allowed to win anymore.

[Autumn]

First up, you don't tell us which team you're managing, and their expectations for the season, or the tactics you are using.

secondly:

I usually play the same way every game with small adjustments depending on away/home and form.

perhaps you might want to think about this. instead of making small changes, maybe you need to make big ones. Give a youngster a chance, or try a completely different formation for a couple of games. there is lots you can do, and there is plenty of people here, and on the SI forum who would be willing to help you.

[EddyDeWallyvis]

Originally posted by Dust:

First up, you don't tell us which team you're managing, and their expectations for the season, or the tactics you are using.

secondly:

I usually play the same way every game with small adjustments depending on away/home and form.

perhaps you might want to think about this. instead of making small changes, maybe you need to make big ones. Give a youngster a chance, or try a completely different formation for a couple of games. there is lots you can do, and there is plenty of people here, and on the SI forum who would be willing to help you.

I would suggest not to use the SI forum. To many fanboys over there that can't stand any critique against the game. To many "cheaters" aswell. Players that pretend to know what they're talking about yet are achieving success in the game by editing and/or reloading after each loss.

They start talking tactics yet when you ask to be more precise, they always give this vague answer that every team and save is not the same. Meaning, they have no clue what they're talking about. They all know the problem you got, they all fixed it atleast once, yet when you ask for a .fm file, they all of the sudden start ignoring you.

[Ruskii]

Originally posted by Huppakee:

Originally posted by Dust:

First up, you don't tell us which team you're managing, and their expectations for the season, or the tactics you are using.

secondly:



perhaps you might want to think about this. instead of making small changes, maybe you need to make big ones. Give a youngster a chance, or try a completely different formation for a couple of games. there is lots you can do, and there is plenty of people here, and on the SI forum who would be willing to help you.

I would suggest not to use the SI forum. To many fanboys over there that can't stand any critique against the game. To many "cheaters" aswell. Players that pretend to know what they're talking about yet are achieving success in the game by editing and/or reloading after each loss.

They start talking tactics yet when you ask to be more precise, they always give this vague answer that every team and save is not the same. Meaning, they have no clue what they're talking about. They all know the problem you got, they all fixed it atleast once, yet when you ask for a .fm file, they all of the sudden start ignoring you.

*Facepalm

[Selfish Lee Everett]

Originally posted by Huppakee:

Totally agree. Played almost every FM to date, now 270h in FM16...and I see the same thing happening over and over again in FM16. You have a good tactic and you're winning matches. Once your reputation or whatever climbs, the AI becomes a monster. It has an answer to everything you do.

So you cannot dominate the world anymore after three seasons. Do you really think you can use the same tactic forever without the AI ever finding you out? Also, once you win some titles, some players can become complacent or struggle to find that form again. Look at Dortmund, just before Klopp left. Previous FMs way too easy, i had to make my own rules like only ever signing regens under 17 to restrict myself.

[EddyDeWallyvis]

Originally posted by Selfish Lee Everett:

Originally posted by Huppakee:

Totally agree. Played almost every FM to date, now 270h in FM16...and I see the same thing happening over and over again in FM16. You have a good tactic and you're winning matches. Once your reputation or whatever climbs, the AI becomes a monster. It has an answer to everything you do.

So you cannot dominate the world anymore after three seasons. Do you really think you can use the same tactic forever without the AI ever finding you out? Also, once you win some titles, some players can become complacent or struggle to find that form again. Look at Dortmund, just before Klopp left. Previous FMs way too easy, i had to make my own rules like only ever signing regens under 17 to restrict myself.

If that what you quoted, the only thing is that you read, then you must not have read where I said that I changed tactic, more then once. Plz read the full post before replying to it.

[Selfish Lee Everett]

The rest was nonsense . You accuse people on SI boards of reloading but you do it yourself and still fail.

[Jon Snus]

i like how people are trying to defend this game yet its a total garbage lol...

[Autumn]

Originally posted by Rεdεyεz:

i like how people are trying to defend this game yet its a total garbage lol...

I like how someone who doesn't have the game thinks he can have a valid opinion about it.

[Jon Snus]

Originally posted by Dust:

Originally posted by Rεdεyεz:

i like how people are trying to defend this game yet its a total garbage lol...

I like how someone who doesn't have the game thinks he can have a valid opinion about it.

ofc i wont buy the game, because its not worth the cost for what it offers, im playing cracked version and probobly know the game better then u will ever will :)

[EddyDeWallyvis]

Originally posted by Selfish Lee Everett:

The rest was nonsense . You accuse people on SI boards of reloading but you do it yourself and still fail.

LOL. The rest didn't fit your "'logic" so you just ignore it. Just like you don't understand the point I was making with the reloading I did to agree with the OP. Seems like you're suffering from fanboyism. Logic and reasoning is weak in this one. I should seek help for that if I were you.

Originally posted by Rεdεyεz:

i like how people are trying to defend this game yet its a total garbage lol...

Wouldn't say garbage. More overrated. To many players not understanding the RNG's behind it and how these are to decisive for it be called a good game.

[Autumn]

Seems like you're suffering from fanboyism. Logic and reasoning is weak in this one. I should seek help for that if I were you.

That's just rude. Let's try to have a discussion without namecalling shall we?

[Ruskii]

Originally posted by fourfourtwo79:

Well, this wasn't quite off to a particularly bright start already, though you sympathize with the frustration to a degree. The official documentation is close to non-existent, and the developers rely on community a tad too much to offer some help and documentation. If you hadn't followed some forums, you wouldn't notice how you're much likely to be punished with additional soft goals if you overcommit until it may be too late (which a lot of download tactics do as a default -- ever in the pursuit to up possession and shot stats). And some more. Naturally that also means you can benefit of the same, but from experience very few players actually try to soak up pressure and lure out to hit on the break, even if they're managin initially small teams every AI manager tries to attack, as that, well, doesn't dominate the highly held possession statistics.

That said, from experience it is very tough to reason with players who have already decided that everything is the game's fault. Some of it may be, maybe it is found that counter attacking is now to overpowered one a subsequent release, who knows? Because the alternate to accept that would be not being that great at the game. It's a cognitive thing. It's human nature. Unfortunately or fortunately players such as rashidi who also blog and do youtube series show that it is possible to overperform accross the board, going several hundred games unbeaten at least up until FM 2015. Naturally you likely won't do that if you think nothing you do has any bearing on anything whatsoever and it's all just a RNG or an unbeatable onster AI scoring at will, super keepers, unstoppable super dribblers etc. etc. or whichever else has been around as an excuse ever since at least Champ Man 3.

Very well said. Having played this series for a long time i am happy that SI has developed the game to be more challanging instead of a plug and play style where you could go seasons without making tactical changes and win everything. Players have just failed to adapt to this years (and last) changes. However trying to explain as to how they can improve or what they can do diffrently is a little like teaching a chimpanzee frence, give them a bannana and they'll just throw you back poop.

So little chimpanzee's here is something you should look at to learn and improve at this game, but honestly all im expecting back from you is poop.

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