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Onosendai 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 4:49
Why DLC ???
Cave games available in steam = great news !
DLC day one = please don't do this.

DLC is the cancer of modern gaming. Respect your fans, publish only one definitive version of your games. Matsuri version was released in 2011, why do i need to pay an extra for it ?

Don't hide the final price of your games with DLC, i'm ok to pay a little bit more than the 360 version for exemple, but only for a complete game.

With DLC like this you show no respect for us.
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Kitsune Zeta 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 5:36 
the 1.5 (Matsuri) version is also stupidly rare, the PCBs for it were only sold in a period of about 16 hours, and even then, they sold out. The only version more rare than that is the "Blue Label" version.

Considering we're getting a REGION-FREE PC port that's extremely accurate in slowdown to the arcade PCBs (possibly moreso than the region-locked Xbox 360 version the port is based off of - and this is a major point, mind you), I wouldn't be complaining. At worst, I'd expect the total price for the game + 1.5 Matsuri DLC to be a little under $20 (after the "launch day/week" discount).
modirufa6317 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 5:57 
While I do understand the struggle against shady DLC practices, there are times where we are in no position to complain, and this is one of them :
- arcades difficult to acquire and not commonly available on consoles
- rare region-free shmups
- total import cost too expensive to be worth it, etc
...Frankly, I'm even willing to say it's a miracle that we're getting DLC at all for this game, and it will always be much cheaper anyway, compared to any other alternatives...
最後修改者:modirufa6317; 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 5:58
NPC_CO8ALT 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 6:24 
Shouldn't we just be thankful that we can just finally play this game outside of ios ports and MAME?
最後修改者:NPC_CO8ALT; 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 6:25
STBiLL 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 8:10 
引用自 NPC 888
Shouldn't we just be thankful that we can just finally play this game outside of ios ports and MAME?

Yeah, MAME sucks for CV1000B games and the port has HD options and leaderboards. I am very optimistic and hopefully more CAVE games will be released.
Xudmud 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 9:58 
引用自 Kitsune Zeta
the 1.5 (Matsuri) version is also stupidly rare, the PCBs for it were only sold in a period of about 16 hours, and even then, they sold out. The only version more rare than that is the "Blue Label" version.

Considering we're getting a REGION-FREE PC port that's extremely accurate in slowdown to the arcade PCBs (possibly moreso than the region-locked Xbox 360 version the port is based off of - and this is a major point, mind you), I wouldn't be complaining. At worst, I'd expect the total price for the game + 1.5 Matsuri DLC to be a little under $20 (after the "launch day/week" discount).
I'm personally hoping it doesn't follow the Futari 360 pricing model... (~$40-60 base, plus an additional $20 for Black Label. If you wanted the ver. 1.01, better hope you got one of the Limited Editions, since it's not availalbe *anywhere* else)

Granted, Futari *was* a disc, but moreso that Matsuri isn't going to be a similar $20 DLC
最後修改者:Xudmud; 2015 年 10 月 24 日 下午 9:58
NeoStrayCat 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 12:10 
^Technically, its $15 (or regional equivalent) to the Black Label Mode in Futari, although, it only had a 1 time (only) weekly sale for half off. (Though that was long ago.)
最後修改者:NeoStrayCat; 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 12:10
Mimosa 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 12:53 
The Game is 15 bucks and the DLC is going to be cheaper than that.... Let's all complain about how we are still getting it cheaper compared to other options.
最後修改者:Mimosa; 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 12:54
-_//Double Inversion\\_- 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 4:40 
I have to agree with the others. This is no time to complain. We waited years/month whatever to Cave coming to steam since it is the most wellknown STG developer team in Japan. And as the others stated: The dlc was sold one time only. And for the price Cave games would be far more expensive if you couldn't get them here as a digital download. You have to pay around 60$ to import such a title of the 360 version soooo yeaaa. Be happy with the price and don't be a whiner. Although I have to say that I have a more negative experience with dlcs, but since it is a exception I am happy about that happening at all.
Onosendai 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 6:03 
> People will cry about anything nowadays...

I reject this way of thinking, but maybe you are too young to understand.

This is not crying for anything : as gamers, me, and you, have lost something the day DLC was born because you can't anymore buy a complete game day one (but again, maybe you are too young to know this).
You are so excited to play your loved games, you don't care to pay more for no reason, and this is why compagny are making DLC, because they know a lot of guys like you will buy it without thinking.

DLC are ok when it's 100% new content, it's not the case here. Matsuri was not made after the release of Mushihime on steam, it was already there in 2011. It's not new content : there is no reason to sell it as a DLC.

If Cave create a new mode for Mushihimesama LATER, then it will be real new content, i will be happy to buy this as a DLC.

That was the first point.

> This is no time to complain...

Well, again, stange way of thinking, if you want to be considered as a goat, it's your business, but we don't live in a binary world : you can be very happy to find Cave on steam, and in the same time, prononce some critics about their DLC politics.

Let see what final prices will be.
hardwiredsin 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 6:50 
引用自 Onosendai
> People will cry about anything nowadays...

I reject this way of thinking, but maybe you are too young to understand.

I don't know a single PC Gamer who was around before the first 3D cards who isn't amazed by all the cool things that came about with the rise of digital distribution and all the great games we are getting now. I've been gaming on PCs for a VERY long time and understand just how far pc gaming has came.
Onosendai 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 7:47 
> Jesus Christ, could you be any more pretentious ?

Yes.

> Before online play was even a thing expansion packs and the like were not uncommon at all.

The difference is, data disc and expansion pack from this era where not ready day one with the main game.

> I don't know a single PC Gamer who was around before the first 3D cards who isn't amazed by [...] digital distribution [...].

Who said that ? Certainly not me. If so, i would not be on steam. You read want to want to read, but you need to read more to understand well. I'm only against bad DLC, not modern way of selling games.

Let's see pricing. If the main game + DLC are under 25 euros, fair enough, but it's an ugly way to sell something. DLC must be reserved for real new content.
100% lob juice 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 8:17 
Sorry OP but in this case I just have to disagree. DLC isn't in itself a bad thing, and I think this is one of those cases. The standard game will still be fully available with the standalone game, so it's not like the community will be fractured.
Kitsune Zeta 2015 年 10 月 25 日 上午 9:39 
引用自 Onosendai
Let's see pricing. If the main game + DLC are under 25 euros, fair enough, but it's an ugly way to sell something. DLC must be reserved for real new content.

The game will have a base price of $20 USD (before the 25% launch discount brings it down to $15 USD). So you'll be paying about... let's call it 14 Euro (assuming they actually do the price conversion correctly) for the base game with Arrange Mode thrown in for free. I do not see any reason why the 1.5 Matsuri mode would exceed $5, so that's where my $20 USD estimate for both of those combined comes from.

Compare that to $60 for just the base Xbox 360 game (again, region-locked to Japanese Xbox 360s) with the potential of NOT GETTING ARRANGE MODE (it's only available if you get an unused DLC code with the game).
Onosendai 2015 年 10 月 25 日 下午 2:06 
I think you are optimistic, but let's take this as an example : 20$ is a very good price for the main game + DLC. At this price range, DLC are not needed, it's more elegant to sell the main game with all modes previously released (Matsuri included), and sell it at the price it needed to be. I don't think they will loose a lot of customers with that strategy.
Invader TAK 2015 年 10 月 25 日 下午 2:57 
Another thing, 1.5 on 360 was first print-only. Coupled with that AND the original PCB being so limited, they don't wanna just give it away after it being exclusive for so long.
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