Herrerasaurus needs to be nerfed.

[Owl Dig]

After playing for time equating to days in evrima, the carnivores meta pretty much circles around herra and are easily the most annoying an unfair dino out there.
Allow me to list the reasons:
-Do not suffer a lot from hunger or thirst, unlike other carnis, like carnotaurus wich has big apetite and bad diet, or unlike deino wich eventually need atricious levels of food and water

-Absurd bleed damage, wich equate to two or even three omniraptors and will screw me easily if I chase for long (and with long I mean like 10 seconds)

-Decent weight/HP, wich means they can resist some bites of other medium dinos, like carnotaurus or ceratosaurus, before going up to their tree/rock.

-They are pretty fast for something that fall from above. Even if I have a fast dino, if the damage did not kill me, when trying to attack herra, 8 out of 10 times they will reach their safe spot, and screw me if there is something else trying to attack me

-The damage they do is absurd. I understand the higher and object is, the more acceleration it gains and in this case samage, however, for something visualy so slim the damage they cause is very high and they recieve no penalty for it.

Hard to see: Experimented herra choose color to blend, are way up and usually behind leafs and branches wich make them really hard to spot. So you really can see a beginner herra or some other who choosed a bad tree or height, and not everybody has that good sight. Lets add night time, since herra is carni, has decent night vision wich helps it to see you before yo can see him.

-Safe spot: The worst of all offenses, you may argue that in this case they are similar to deinos and pteras, but after certain hour you learn the safe spots to actually avoid deino and this fat guy are stuck in their pond/river. While pteras can fly, they are not that strong or durable and are easily spoteable.
While the deino will eventually die of hunger, or forcer to go out and be mauled, the herra can easily slip away just coming to its tree were little to nome can actually damage them, even if I gave them a "bite" to their model, they just slip away up there and easily wait for another chance. . If they need to get away, they can jump to another tree, jump to water and then just slip away running.

I´ve been killed by many dinos many times, both carni and herbi, but all of them feel fair (or at least kinda fair), and even fun to fight for you life, the exeption is the herra. Beign killed by one does not feel fair, not even fun.
You may argue that the herra niche is to annoy, like the hypsie, but the hypsie can be one shoted by almost everything, has really no damage, its puke skill is useles against very fast dinos, the herra is mmune to it for I don´t know what reason, its not that fast and does not jump that high, neither can climb walls or trees (as by now at least).

[Sam the big Toucan]

Originally posted by Tecolotito:

After playing for time equating to days in evrima, the carnivores meta pretty much circles around herra and are easily the most annoying an unfair dino out there.
Allow me to list the reasons:
-Do not suffer a lot from hunger or thirst, unlike other carnis, like carnotaurus wich has big apetite and bad diet, or unlike deino wich eventually need atricious levels of food and water

-Absurd bleed damage, wich equate to two or even three omniraptors and will screw me easily if I chase for long (and with long I mean like 10 seconds)

-Decent weight/HP, wich means they can resist some bites of other medium dinos, like carnotaurus or ceratosaurus, before going up to their tree/rock.

-They are pretty fast for something that fall from above. Even if I have a fast dino, if the damage did not kill me, when trying to attack herra, 8 out of 10 times they will reach their safe spot, and screw me if there is something else trying to attack me

-The damage they do is absurd. I understand the higher and object is, the more acceleration it gains and in this case samage, however, for something visualy so slim the damage they cause is very high and they recieve no penalty for it.

Hard to see: Experimented herra choose color to blend, are way up and usually behind leafs and branches wich make them really hard to spot. So you really can see a beginner herra or some other who choosed a bad tree or height, and not everybody has that good sight. Lets add night time, since herra is carni, has decent night vision wich helps it to see you before yo can see him.

-Safe spot: The worst of all offenses, you may argue that in this case they are similar to deinos and pteras, but after certain hour you learn the safe spots to actually avoid deino and this fat guy are stuck in their pond/river. While pteras can fly, they are not that strong or durable and are easily spoteable.
While the deino will eventually die of hunger, or forcer to go out and be mauled, the herra can easily slip away just coming to its tree were little to nome can actually damage them, even if I gave them a "bite" to their model, they just slip away up there and easily wait for another chance. . If they need to get away, they can jump to another tree, jump to water and then just slip away running.

I´ve been killed by many dinos many times, both carni and herbi, but all of them feel fair (or at least kinda fair), and even fun to fight for you life, the exeption is the herra. Beign killed by one does not feel fair, not even fun.
You may argue that the herra niche is to annoy, like the hypsie, but the hypsie can be one shoted by almost everything, has really no damage, its puke skill is useles against very fast dinos, the herra is mmune to it for I don´t know what reason, its not that fast and does not jump that high, neither can climb walls or trees (as by now at least).

I really agree with this, they can 1 shot tendontos, and you'd gotta be looking up every single dam tree, they also always run away, t-bagg spam ezzzzz when they 1 tap you, just pain man.

If you've played Path of titans, you'd have a worse experience tbh...

[DUI_Stryfe]

I agree with the current state of the game. The ability to sit in the trees and only come down for brief moments to eat or drink or kill something in a pounce is completely unbalanced right now. They are too fast on the ground and a missed pounce or a poorly timed outing from the trees is nearly impossible to punish.

I don't think the answer is to nerf the Herrara though. I think the ability for Herrara to survive and the real reason for them thriving right now is because there are hotspots providing a constant source of food they can scavenge. Essentially south plains hotspot is artificially propping up the population. They would starve to death or have to take pretty significant risks if not for the concentration in certain areas and the overspawn on deer and boars.

The other thing is I think the new South Plains area in hordetest is going to eliminate most of that issue as there is more bush clusters long grass and cover so you're able to "hide" without being in the tall trees. But yea currently they are a pain and impossible to engage with aside from getting smoked out of nowhere. I think the answer is to break up the hotspots and spread the players out more. Once they can't sit in the trees with a buffet under them there will be far fewer and you can handle to occasional tree snipe. The biggest issure right now is that every tree has one in it.

[Lee]

Play pt, terrorise them in the tree's, its actually a lot of fun.

[Sam the big Toucan]

Originally posted by OneChop:

Play pt, terrorise them in the tree's, its actually a lot of fun.

Not when your not the herra.

[Sonofbop]

out of all the things that need a nerf u think its herra really

[EarlSkrubb]

it's funny cause if you start a herrera and spawn far from south plain hot spot, it's almost a death sentence, the juvie safe spots doesn't spawn easy to hunt ai, just food for herbis, out of all the possible ai spawn, boar will one shot you and deer outrun you, fish are hit or miss and the others are either not on your diet or rarely spawn so a baby herrera either has to make it to south plain, be lucky or die of hunger and once you're adult, you're mostly a spectator that comes down from time to time to refill your gauge.

[cuolshan]

I got killed by a Herra once...

Never happened again after that

No matter how much they try and match the color, they stick out if you just look and they tend to be in the same places

[Gravitymint]

Skill issue.

[Fox_1041]

Same thing, got killed by it once and never again. Play herrera quite often and the only reason people fall victim to me is when they are careless. People who actually think about what they are doing are never in a position for an easy strike.

On the contrary, I consistenty kill 5-7 herreras an hour as a troodon in south plains.

So yeah, skill issue.

[Jelly]

Deino contribute NOTHING to the game but take potential Herb players away from Carnos, while they hide in the water in a completely different biom than Herb and Carnos. and take up server slots, but we're here complaining about Herra.

[Powerferret]

Originally posted by Jelly:

Deino contribute NOTHING to the game but take potential Herb players away from Carnos, while they hide in the water in a completely different biom than Herb and Carnos. and take up server slots, but we're here complaining about Herra.

Right? , its not like they are adding quite a few semi-aquatics to compete with crocs and to fill out the habitat. Oh wait...they are.

[BlackWolf9988]

i dont think they are OP but they need another dino that can also climb trees to counter them tbh.

[Voyager]

Hi. Played this game for about 9 years. The Isle was never balanced and never will be, becouse we have imbalance at core of this game design. Its caused by selection of completely different dinosaurs, with different purpose and power. Technicaly this could work... but there is human factor and that changes everything.

Normaly in a living world nature balance things on its own. But in a video game its impossible to recreate such a balance becouse we ( humans ) will always find a way to " cheat " the natures logic. My point is that it doesn't matter what is the purpose of dinosaur and how it supost to behave, If it's controlled by a human.

So instead creature that supost to eat and than hide in the tree to rest and sleep. You have a creature with a mindset of human scumbag bandit who thinks how to gain something, be annoying or " have fun " their way. For example: Deino who is friendly to juvi deino just to eat it moment later. Is that a game balance fault, ,dinosaur design problem, devs fault or players fault ? Obviously the last one.

Can't wait when T-Rex will be playable and then you'll see who is the real BM - anti fun - KoS king. Herrera " strats " in comparison will feel like a funny joke of some tree enthusiasts.

[Wes]

Its so easy to stack bodies with Herra . Personally I went from liking it, too loving it ,too eventually just being bored with it. One drop and there's enough food to fill my stomach multiple times over if not more. Minimal risk , insane damage , very short growth time. Must be a favourite.

[Daruk64]

Personally I've never had a problem with them. I've been killed by one when I was a Beipi fighting with it for a small pond but it jumped me while I was resting when I shouldn't have. I just make sure I look at nearby trees and keeping moving when I think there are ones near.