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Dr. Phoenix has The Isle

Dec 6, 2024 @ 10:27am

There can be many reasons on why they are turned off.
They had server related issues earlier.

Players have been able to survive on the game without the AI's
If you are not able to survive, its then a skill related issue on your part or play something else.

Horde testing is to be expected to have lots of bugs, unbalanced etc.

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SammyToeJr has The Isle

Dec 6, 2024 @ 6:46pm

Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:
There can be many reasons on why they are turned off.
They had server related issues earlier.

Players have been able to survive on the game without the AI's
If you are not able to survive, its then a skill related issue on your part or play something else.

Horde testing is to be expected to have lots of bugs, unbalanced etc.

lol, jesus christ man, what do you guys all go to the same a.a. meetings? anytime someone has a vaild complaint with the game you guys never failed to reply with "skill issue."

firstly: get some new material

Secoundly. weither some can or cant live with them is besides the point, they cut content from the game effectly making it a worse game for how long that time may be, that is a fact, taking something out of the game means theres less in the game then there was there by being making it worse, for how ever short or long that time may be.

im arguing that THAT is wrong, and doesnt give you good data for a test. if the point of a hordtest is too learn what could break the game and what is happening that is under preforming or over prefroming.

then you need to set up a control ( I.e. the base game so if you went back to normal evrima would be your control because aside from the animal added nothing really has changed) so you can see how players play and how things react in the control then see how it does in the hordtest and if something looks wrong then you have a highlighted problem too fix.

how ever if you mess with the data befor hand as they have your test resaults will be useless and baised.

for exp: so say from the data they collected with out having ai. say all the crocs in the hordtest strave too death because they cant find any players near water sources fast enough and because theres no fish of any kind theres no food no food means they die so then the dev goes "wow croc's seem to be weak they die alot lets buff it" would you agree that makes sense?

well thats how the data will look if you mess with things like that.

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Dr. Phoenix has The Isle

Dec 7, 2024 @ 2:37am

Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:
There can be many reasons on why they are turned off.
They had server related issues earlier.

Players have been able to survive on the game without the AI's
If you are not able to survive, its then a skill related issue on your part or play something else.

Horde testing is to be expected to have lots of bugs, unbalanced etc.
lol, jesus christ man, what do you guys all go to the same a.a. meetings? anytime someone has a vaild complaint with the game you guys never failed to reply with "skill issue."

firstly: get some new material

Secoundly. weither some can or cant live with them is besides the point, they cut content from the game effectly making it a worse game for how long that time may be, that is a fact, taking something out of the game means theres less in the game then there was there by being making it worse, for how ever short or long that time may be.

im arguing that THAT is wrong, and doesnt give you good data for a test. if the point of a hordtest is too learn what could break the game and what is happening that is under preforming or over prefroming.

then you need to set up a control ( I.e. the base game so if you went back to normal evrima would be your control because aside from the animal added nothing really has changed) so you can see how players play and how things react in the control then see how it does in the hordtest and if something looks wrong then you have a highlighted problem too fix.

how ever if you mess with the data befor hand as they have your test resaults will be useless and baised.

for exp: so say from the data they collected with out having ai. say all the crocs in the hordtest strave too death because they cant find any players near water sources fast enough and because theres no fish of any kind theres no food no food means they die so then the dev goes "wow croc's seem to be weak they die alot lets buff it" would you agree that makes sense?

well thats how the data will look if you mess with things like that.

Its not a valid point and i told you why.

It can be turned off for reasons like crashing servers or you playing on a no AI server or they are bugged somewhere lol.

Edit: its horde testing for a reason. Its not an early access to new content.
There are always something that is gonna break. There is always bugs.
Horde testing was made to help finding bugs and help to balance the game.

Why do you think they made a bug report link on the announcement? ;)

Last edited by Dr. Phoenix; Dec 7, 2024 @ 2:46am

#3

DoubleD

Dec 7, 2024 @ 2:41am

Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:
There can be many reasons on why they are turned off.
They had server related issues earlier.

Players have been able to survive on the game without the AI's
If you are not able to survive, its then a skill related issue on your part or play something else.

Horde testing is to be expected to have lots of bugs, unbalanced etc.
lol, jesus christ man, what do you guys all go to the same a.a. meetings? anytime someone has a vaild complaint with the game you guys never failed to reply with "skill issue."

firstly: get some new material

Secoundly. weither some can or cant live with them is besides the point, they cut content from the game effectly making it a worse game for how long that time may be, that is a fact, taking something out of the game means theres less in the game then there was there by being making it worse, for how ever short or long that time may be.

im arguing that THAT is wrong, and doesnt give you good data for a test. if the point of a hordtest is too learn what could break the game and what is happening that is under preforming or over prefroming.

then you need to set up a control ( I.e. the base game so if you went back to normal evrima would be your control because aside from the animal added nothing really has changed) so you can see how players play and how things react in the control then see how it does in the hordtest and if something looks wrong then you have a highlighted problem too fix.

how ever if you mess with the data befor hand as they have your test resaults will be useless and baised.

for exp: so say from the data they collected with out having ai. say all the crocs in the hordtest strave too death because they cant find any players near water sources fast enough and because theres no fish of any kind theres no food no food means they die so then the dev goes "wow croc's seem to be weak they die alot lets buff it" would you agree that makes sense?

well thats how the data will look if you mess with things like that.

could you make your posts a little shorter...i like em but gets boring when they are so long :-))

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SammyToeJr has The Isle

Dec 7, 2024 @ 2:43am

Originally posted by Poll:
Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
lol, jesus christ man, what do you guys all go to the same a.a. meetings? anytime someone has a vaild complaint with the game you guys never failed to reply with "skill issue."

firstly: get some new material

Secoundly. weither some can or cant live with them is besides the point, they cut content from the game effectly making it a worse game for how long that time may be, that is a fact, taking something out of the game means theres less in the game then there was there by being making it worse, for how ever short or long that time may be.

im arguing that THAT is wrong, and doesnt give you good data for a test. if the point of a hordtest is too learn what could break the game and what is happening that is under preforming or over prefroming.

then you need to set up a control ( I.e. the base game so if you went back to normal evrima would be your control because aside from the animal added nothing really has changed) so you can see how players play and how things react in the control then see how it does in the hordtest and if something looks wrong then you have a highlighted problem too fix.

how ever if you mess with the data befor hand as they have your test resaults will be useless and baised.

for exp: so say from the data they collected with out having ai. say all the crocs in the hordtest strave too death because they cant find any players near water sources fast enough and because theres no fish of any kind theres no food no food means they die so then the dev goes "wow croc's seem to be weak they die alot lets buff it" would you agree that makes sense?

well thats how the data will look if you mess with things like that.

could you make your posts a little shorter...i like em but gets boring when they are so long :-))

so you dont like reading, but your in a place where the main way to talk to people is by reading what they sent.

interesting...

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Dr. Phoenix has The Isle

Dec 7, 2024 @ 2:47am

Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
Originally posted by Poll:

could you make your posts a little shorter...i like em but gets boring when they are so long :-))
so you dont like reading, but your in a place where the main way to talk to people is by reading what they sent.

interesting...

I edit my last post

#6

DoubleD

Dec 7, 2024 @ 2:50am

btw there are now 4 servers with AI and 2 without....1 that is closed for us atm....so this topic could be closed :-)

oh and i was reffering to Mr Jr XD

Last edited by DoubleD; Dec 7, 2024 @ 2:51am

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SammyToeJr has The Isle

Dec 7, 2024 @ 2:52am

Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:
Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
lol, jesus christ man, what do you guys all go to the same a.a. meetings? anytime someone has a vaild complaint with the game you guys never failed to reply with "skill issue."

firstly: get some new material

Secoundly. weither some can or cant live with them is besides the point, they cut content from the game effectly making it a worse game for how long that time may be, that is a fact, taking something out of the game means theres less in the game then there was there by being making it worse, for how ever short or long that time may be.

im arguing that THAT is wrong, and doesnt give you good data for a test. if the point of a hordtest is too learn what could break the game and what is happening that is under preforming or over prefroming.

then you need to set up a control ( I.e. the base game so if you went back to normal evrima would be your control because aside from the animal added nothing really has changed) so you can see how players play and how things react in the control then see how it does in the hordtest and if something looks wrong then you have a highlighted problem too fix.

how ever if you mess with the data befor hand as they have your test resaults will be useless and baised.

for exp: so say from the data they collected with out having ai. say all the crocs in the hordtest strave too death because they cant find any players near water sources fast enough and because theres no fish of any kind theres no food no food means they die so then the dev goes "wow croc's seem to be weak they die alot lets buff it" would you agree that makes sense?

well thats how the data will look if you mess with things like that.

Its not a valid point and i told you why.

It can be turned off for reasons like crashing servers or you playing on a no AI server or they are bugged somewhere lol.

Edit: its horde testing for a reason. Its not an early access to new content.
There are always something that is gonna break. There is always bugs.
Horde testing was made to help finding bugs and help to balance the game.

Why do you think they made a bug report link on the announcement? ;)

you missed my whole point so i'll let you re-read the reply as it would pretty much be the same reply too this again.

#8

DoubleD

Dec 7, 2024 @ 3:56am

Thx!!

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Dr. Phoenix has The Isle

Dec 7, 2024 @ 4:24am

Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:

Its not a valid point and i told you why.

It can be turned off for reasons like crashing servers or you playing on a no AI server or they are bugged somewhere lol.

Edit: its horde testing for a reason. Its not an early access to new content.
There are always something that is gonna break. There is always bugs.
Horde testing was made to help finding bugs and help to balance the game.

Why do you think they made a bug report link on the announcement? ;)
you missed my whole point so i'll let you re-read the reply as it would pretty much be the same reply too this again.

I did, but you still dont get it...

The ai might be bugged. You understand? Like spawning inside the mountain or a big rock etc.

The devs reported a server issue there the server crashing often. This can happen if there is a bug in the game. Its possible its ai related. So they might have turned them off because of a server issue.

Or

You might have played on a "no ai" server.

When it comes to the croc. They dont buff it because of they die to starvation, they either adjust the food values or more ai around.

Horde testing is not only about balance.
Its also to find bugs, server performance, general performance of the game etc.

Devs have posted a bug report link in their Discord

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SammyToeJr has The Isle

Dec 7, 2024 @ 4:48am

Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:
Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
you missed my whole point so i'll let you re-read the reply as it would pretty much be the same reply too this again.

I did, but you still dont get it...

The ai might be bugged. You understand? Like spawning inside the mountain or a big rock etc.

The devs reported a server issue there the server crashing often. This can happen if there is a bug in the game. Its possible its ai related. So they might have turned them off because of a server issue.

Or

You might have played on a "no ai" server.

When it comes to the croc. They dont buff it because of they die to starvation, they either adjust the food values or more ai around.

Horde testing is not only about balance.
Its also to find bugs, server performance, general performance of the game etc.

Devs have posted a bug report link in their Discord

ok I see your point now, but however. given the light of that. wouldnt you think the data that you would be collecting to better the game, would be more valuable if the playing feild was as normalized too the full build of the game as possiable?

you might see this as a red haring i promise it isnt. my point im making is Number one they should or he should rather, patch out what ever the issue may be as soon as possiable so that the data can be as ture and factoal as possiable.

i know this seems pretty naivie? to think like that but in my time learning how to build games. ( havent published any yet but im in the works of a few) I found that isolating issues when you have play testers to find them, then its not a matter of finding the problem you already know the problem its about putting in the time to understand the problem to then fix it. but if you had too remove a core feature of a game inordder to prevent the game from breaking, well that is a bandaid fix. your not fixing the problem your pushing it aside for latter.

thats not something I can respect or praise at least to me personaly

im not sure if you can agree with that but thats my stance.

#11

DoubleD

Dec 7, 2024 @ 5:09am

😴😴😴 guess i'll go play a stupid game with a boring Maia....

Last edited by DoubleD; Dec 7, 2024 @ 5:12am

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Dr. Phoenix has The Isle

Dec 7, 2024 @ 6:16am

Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:

I did, but you still dont get it...

The ai might be bugged. You understand? Like spawning inside the mountain or a big rock etc.

The devs reported a server issue there the server crashing often. This can happen if there is a bug in the game. Its possible its ai related. So they might have turned them off because of a server issue.

Or

You might have played on a "no ai" server.

When it comes to the croc. They dont buff it because of they die to starvation, they either adjust the food values or more ai around.

Horde testing is not only about balance.
Its also to find bugs, server performance, general performance of the game etc.

Devs have posted a bug report link in their Discord
ok I see your point now, but however. given the light of that. wouldnt you think the data that you would be collecting to better the game, would be more valuable if the playing feild was as normalized too the full build of the game as possiable?

you might see this as a red haring i promise it isnt. my point im making is Number one they should or he should rather, patch out what ever the issue may be as soon as possiable so that the data can be as ture and factoal as possiable.

i know this seems pretty naivie? to think like that but in my time learning how to build games. ( havent published any yet but im in the works of a few) I found that isolating issues when you have play testers to find them, then its not a matter of finding the problem you already know the problem its about putting in the time to understand the problem to then fix it. but if you had too remove a core feature of a game inordder to prevent the game from breaking, well that is a bandaid fix. your not fixing the problem your pushing it aside for latter.

thats not something I can respect or praise at least to me personaly

im not sure if you can agree with that but thats my stance.

We as the customers are the play tester on the horde test branch.

What you are saying does not always works like that. If something is so broken that the servers crashes.

How are players gonna test if they are not able to play?

Players can still test the rest while they solve the issue.

They also want data for ai and no ai servers tho

#13

DoubleD

Dec 7, 2024 @ 8:05am

Mr Jr i'll give you another reason to cry.....they just force restarted 1 server....i guess it had to do with smelling bushes but they where all empty!!

omg!!...i'll never ever pllay again!!! XD

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SammyToeJr has The Isle

Dec 7, 2024 @ 9:26am

Originally posted by Dr. Phoenix:
Originally posted by SammyToeJr:
ok I see your point now, but however. given the light of that. wouldnt you think the data that you would be collecting to better the game, would be more valuable if the playing feild was as normalized too the full build of the game as possiable?

you might see this as a red haring i promise it isnt. my point im making is Number one they should or he should rather, patch out what ever the issue may be as soon as possiable so that the data can be as ture and factoal as possiable.

i know this seems pretty naivie? to think like that but in my time learning how to build games. ( havent published any yet but im in the works of a few) I found that isolating issues when you have play testers to find them, then its not a matter of finding the problem you already know the problem its about putting in the time to understand the problem to then fix it. but if you had too remove a core feature of a game inordder to prevent the game from breaking, well that is a bandaid fix. your not fixing the problem your pushing it aside for latter.

thats not something I can respect or praise at least to me personaly

im not sure if you can agree with that but thats my stance.

We as the customers are the play tester on the horde test branch.

What you are saying does not always works like that. If something is so broken that the servers crashes.

How are players gonna test if they are not able to play?

Players can still test the rest while they solve the issue.

They also want data for ai and no ai servers tho

Not my point my, point is we already tested it, they would know what the issue is, alot of us have told them where and how, they may not understand the issue as in how it happens, but they know where it is. that is up to them to put in the time to fix it.

but turning off features isnt the way to go about it. it'll only make the data more confusing.

I also disagree that having no ai will give any data thats useful, as your just looking at the game in a micro cossum of the worse case. witch yea we look at anything on the worst case its not useful in the sense of trying to make the best case happen.

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