Please take some time to JUST work on the humans.

[Rhibirr]

Before anyone jumps on me because you don't want humans in the game, it's good for you even if you will never play on a server that has then enabled.
Why?
Because the ages old claim of Evirma being an attempt to change how things are developed. Base gameplay before a bunch of playables. (Which is the stratigy the devs wanted to try when they dropped legacy for evirma)
If humans are a completely different playstyle that will exist alongside and compete with the dinosaurs then they are a base part of the game that needs to be worked out before that golden age of adding many beasts has any chance of being a possible thing.

We've got to stop encouraging the rampant multitasking the devs still clearly struggle with via begging and begging for our favorite dinosaurs to be in.
The devs weren't originally going to bring T-Rex and Trike in before the creatures leading up to them in size but now we're going to get them because of how long this has been taking and constant begging.

Many see this as progress and maybe just for these two icons it will be fine but I worry about evirma falling into the cycle that legacy was dropped for.
The last thing we need is to have this game recoded from the ground up for a third time.
So I plead. Once the rex and trike are in (to satisfy the masses for a little while since they have been teased so much) please take a moment to JUST WORK ON THE HUMANS. Set the dinosaurs aside for a moment and just work on the humans for a while. And fellow fans, please allow the devs to work on the humans.
For both the people who want more dinosaurs and the people who want the humans themselves, the humans are planned so allow and encourage the devs to work on the humans so they can be in the game and out of the way instead of leaving a base feature to the wayside to bog down development with a lot of backtracking to change stuff to fit it when some part of it does come in.

[Igel.]

In this game players run around with Esp and speedhacks. Just imagine what will wait for us if humans with guns will be released into this with the potential for aimbots or bullets that could be altered to instantly kill. Adding more dinos or even humans does not fix the game at all.

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by Igel.:

In this game players run around with Esp and speedhacks. Just imagine what will wait for us if humans with guns will be released into this with the potential for aimbots or bullets that could be altered to instantly kill. Adding more dinos or even humans does not fix the game at all.

Most games I've played have had hacker spikes. I do not consider this an inherent flaw in the game even though it does demand attention as well. After all, hackers are random jerks who break the code to trash other people's fun. Not really part of the game, so I kind of consider them their own thing.

[footsoljer]

They need to throw away the whole concept of having humans in the game.
It is a waste of resources, detracting from the current quality of the game.

[Invisible]

Meh, Humans are OP, keep em out.

[jdpvagabond]

This game has so many fundamental issues with what's currently in play I'd strongly recommend the dev team stop antagonizing their player base on Discord and actually work towards a properly functioning base first.

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by footsoljer:

They need to throw away the whole concept of having humans in the game.
It is a waste of resources, detracting from the current quality of the game.

Was literally the original idea of the game. The very first version of The Isle had Raptors, humans and T-Rex as playables with everything else planned to be NPCs.
It turned into legacy because of the devs adding more dinosaurs on player request.
I think it's pretty rude to ask the devs to give up on their original dream for the the version they made because of peer pressure from the playerbase.
They've already stated that folks who own servers will be able to disable humans and I wouldn't doubt it if they caved again to give the players an offical server with them disabled.
Additionally if they try then have to drop it that would still probubly cost less time then multitasking because they keep being distracted by humans off to the side.

I'm not saying the devs are 100% victems here as they do make strange choices and the choice to cave to the things they did was their choice. Still, I think the fanbase forgets their own hand in the game ending up the way it did often and I have literally met people who had no idea that the isle was originally very based on primal carnage, even having originally been suppose to share a universe before teams broke up.
We can't expect the devs to change the entire nature of their game for us once, try to make the game they want second attempt and give up the vision they still advertise in the logos for the game again without at least trying.

They started Evirma with wanting to get base features first, kind of fell back into adding dinos though not as bad and then eventually also caved to all the begging for T-Rex and trike even though they origanally planned a lot of creatures sized in-between both before they would come in. We could at least aknowlage the difference in our desires and let the devs TRY their thing.
They should have updated Legacy one more time to fix some of its broken features (so it would stay as its own complete game) and then they should have worked on getting the humans in back when it was just tenonto and raptor. But they didn't. And the more dinos they add the more they'll have to retroactivly figure out how the humans compare to all of them just like they had predicted would be a problum.

It wouldn't make sense to remove all these dinosaurs or make anyone happy but if they want to make an honist attempt at getting the humans in they need to do it soon. And we know they want to. We know they're going to try. They've said as much. LET THEM TRY. Encourage them to try so if it doesn't work they will stop having it be a complex side project that slows the rest of the game down.

Originally posted by Robotron:

Meh, Humans are OP, keep em out.

Actually humans suck physically. Assuming gun ammo is limited or our mutant lab dinosaurs are a little tougher then expected then humans would very much be the most glass canon of glass canons deadly only if they see you first while they have the resources to attack. Plus they're planned to be locked to first person meaning sneaking up on them is very possible.

[footsoljer]

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

Originally posted by footsoljer:

They need to throw away the whole concept of having humans in the game.
It is a waste of resources, detracting from the current quality of the game.

Was literally the original idea of the game. The very first version of The Isle had Raptors, humans and T-Rex as playables with everything else planned to be NPCs.
It turned into legacy because of the devs adding more dinosaurs on player request.
I think it's pretty rude to ask the devs to give up on their original dream for the the version they made because of peer pressure from the playerbase.
They've already stated that folks who own servers will be able to disable humans and I wouldn't doubt it if they caved again to give the players an offical server with them disabled.
Additionally if they try then have to drop it that would still probubly cost less time then multitasking because they keep being distracted by humans off to the side.

I'm not saying the devs are 100% victems here as they do make strange choices and the choice to cave to the things they did was their choice. Still, I think the fanbase forgets their own hand in the game ending up the way it did often and I have literally met people who had no idea that the isle was originally very based on primal carnage, even having originally been suppose to share a universe before teams broke up.
We can't expect the devs to change the entire nature of their game for us once, try to make the game they want second attempt and give up the vision they still advertise in the logos for the game again without at least trying.

They started Evirma with wanting to get base features first, kind of fell back into adding dinos though not as bad and then eventually also caved to all the begging for T-Rex and trike even though they origanally planned a lot of creatures sized in-between both before they would come in. We could at least aknowlage the difference in our desires and let the devs TRY their thing.
They should have updated Legacy one more time to fix some of its broken features (so it would stay as its own complete game) and then they should have worked on getting the humans in back when it was just tenonto and raptor. But they didn't. And the more dinos they add the more they'll have to retroactivly figure out how the humans compare to all of them just like they had predicted would be a problum.

It wouldn't make sense to remove all these dinosaurs or make anyone happy but if they want to make an honist attempt at getting the humans in they need to do it soon. And we know they want to. We know they're going to try. They've said as much. LET THEM TRY. Encourage them to try so if it doesn't work they will stop having it be a complex side project that slows the rest of the game down.

Originally posted by Robotron:

Meh, Humans are OP, keep em out.

Actually humans suck physically. Assuming gun ammo is limited or our mutant lab dinosaurs are a little tougher then expected then humans would very much be the most glass canon of glass canons deadly only if they see you first while they have the resources to attack. Plus they're planned to be locked to first person meaning sneaking up on them is very possible.

The players want dinosaurs, not humans obviously. the devs can do what ever they want, its their game, but they struck gold by making a game catering to an audience they did not intend to cater too, or they did and just don't care. It is such a shame. The game could be so much better if they stopped wasting their resources on something that has added little to zero as to why The Isle is so popular. People don't play the isle for humans or the promise of humans and i am quite confident in that opinion.

[FireBlade]

Until they get the horrible lag fixed they shouldn't even think about humans. there are other issues that also should be fixed before adding any new content honestly. This game is bleeding players and the only way to fix that is to fix performance and other game breaking issues.

[footsoljer]

Originally posted by FireBlade:

Until they get the horrible lag fixed they shouldn't even think about humans. there are other issues that also should be fixed before adding any new content honestly. This game is bleeding players and the only way to fix that is to fix performance and other game breaking issues.

No, game is doing just fine player wise. You are talking out of your a** right now. Game has been very stable at roughly 4k average players for the past year+ based off steam charts.

The game does have major issues that need fixing though and humans wont be contributing to that progress. Only making the situation worse.

[Optical]

LOL at the people still thinking they can change their minds on the Humans, its is and always has been a focus during dev. Its in the lore and its been shown before, its not going anywhere. This isn't a scaley/furry sim, its a survival horror game both for dinos and eventually humans. Then hopefully we get the mutants/tribals not far after, not sure where this "human is OP so no" argument even comes from. Pure speculation in hopes they don't add humans.

Im in the same boat as you OP, really wish they would just add them but tbf once the apex predators come in is when they'll be introduced (hopefully). But we have waited a long long time, the structures look great but I really want to see a focus on items/weapons at least

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by footsoljer:

The players want dinosaurs, not humans obviously. the devs can do what ever they want, its their game, but they struck gold by making a game catering to an audience they did not intend to cater too, or they did and just don't care. It is such a shame. The game could be so much better if they stopped wasting their resources on something that has added little to zero as to why The Isle is so popular. People don't play the isle for humans or the promise of humans and i am quite confident in that opinion.

These are the Isle devs. The issue is they're going to try it regaurdless. The issue is that they ARE the ones making this game, they DO want the humans and they're going to try and put the humans in because it's what they origanally wanted.
No amount of arguing they shouldn't will change the fact that it's what they wanted or the likelyness that they're going to keep working on it.

Personally I do want the humans. Spesificly because there are no reverse jurrasic park games where you get to play the dinosaur in that scenerio. They are all either just dino sandboxes or humans surviving the scenerio. No roll swaps avalible. With more and more dinosaur games coming out following the dino sandbox maybe The Isle SHOULD branch out and give Legacy one last fix so it can be the dino sandbox game folks fell in love with. Re-open modding support over there and let the fans go crazy.

Putting that asside though let's go with your argument for a minute. It still misses the point. Even if I agreed that humans in the isle is stupid and the devs should give up....these are the isle devs we're talking about. Do you really think it's realistic to assume they WILL stop after so long still wanting to do this?

Multitasking is incredibly inefficent and slows everything down. If they just took a moment to try and get the humans in then they could be done with it and focus on the dinosaurs. Whatever the case turned out to be. Whether they need to be trashed or not. If they just took a while with the whole team working on the humans they could figure out if it's broken or not then move on without the humans bogging down dino progress.

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by Optical:

LOL at the people still thinking they can change their minds on the Humans, its is and always has been a focus during dev. Its in the lore and its been shown before, its not going anywhere. This isn't a scaley/furry sim, its a survival horror game both for dinos and eventually humans. Then hopefully we get the mutants/tribals not far after, not sure where this "human is OP so no" argument even comes from. Pure speculation in hopes they don't add humans.

Im in the same boat as you OP, really wish they would just add them but tbf once the apex predators come in is when they'll be introduced (hopefully). But we have waited a long long time, the structures look great but I really want to see a focus on items/weapons at least

Yes. Exactly! We're talking on a forum where the icon of a rex biting down on a human skull is present in the background and people are arguing that dropping the humans entirely is even on the table.
While I do want them in to be able to run from them as a dinosaur that's only a side point.
The real point is They're being worked on and the only way the devs will stop is if they either get them in or find them so impossible that they have no choice but to give them up (in which case they will still probubly make it in, in some way even if not playable. I do think the buildings are not going anywhere at bare minimum.).

Working on the humans and the dinosaurs at the same time logically has to slow down progress because they're spreading the progress across a bunch of things.
Solution....take some time to do the thing you've had in the back for ages so it can stop being an issue. The more extensive they want human play to be the more of a problum this is.

[footsoljer]

Originally posted by Optical:

LOL at the people still thinking they can change their minds on the Humans, its is and always has been a focus during dev. Its in the lore and its been shown before, its not going anywhere. This isn't a scaley/furry sim, its a survival horror game both for dinos and eventually humans. Then hopefully we get the mutants/tribals not far after, not sure where this "human is OP so no" argument even comes from. Pure speculation in hopes they don't add humans.

Im in the same boat as you OP, really wish they would just add them but tbf once the apex predators come in is when they'll be introduced (hopefully). But we have waited a long long time, the structures look great but I really want to see a focus on items/weapons at least

No one is changing anyone's minds. The isle devs are severely incompetent, essentially re-making their game like 3 times because they suck. Humans have been in the game since its inception and they have been trash EVERY TIME they try to implement them over the course of like 7 years. The only thing that keeps the game afloat is the fact that they have solid dinosaur content. There is nothing out there like it but even that they keep re-doing. progression-legacy-and now evrima and the absolute sh*t gateway map. The isle devs have something good by accident and they are just fumbling it for their lame ass humans that have so far brought NOTHING to the game in its entire existence. Why on earth should they focus solely on humans when even the dinosaur aspect is still un-finished buggy and broken and that is what is keeping all the players lol.

[Cosmic Bunny]

Originally posted by footsoljer:

Originally posted by Optical:

LOL at the people still thinking they can change their minds on the Humans, its is and always has been a focus during dev. Its in the lore and its been shown before, its not going anywhere. This isn't a scaley/furry sim, its a survival horror game both for dinos and eventually humans. Then hopefully we get the mutants/tribals not far after, not sure where this "human is OP so no" argument even comes from. Pure speculation in hopes they don't add humans.

Im in the same boat as you OP, really wish they would just add them but tbf once the apex predators come in is when they'll be introduced (hopefully). But we have waited a long long time, the structures look great but I really want to see a focus on items/weapons at least

No one is changing anyone's minds. The isle devs are severely incompetent, essentially re-making their game like 3 times because they suck. Humans have been in the game since its inception and they have been trash EVERY TIME they try to implement them over the course of like 7 years. The only thing that keeps the game afloat is the fact that they have solid dinosaur content. There is nothing out there like it but even that they keep re-doing. progression-legacy-and now evrima and the absolute sh*t gateway map. The isle devs have something good by accident and they are just fumbling it for their lame ass humans that have so far brought NOTHING to the game in its entire existence. Why on earth should they focus solely on humans when even the dinosaur aspect is still un-finished buggy and broken and that is what is keeping all the players lol.

Because shooting ♥♥♥♥ is fun, and more fun when it's PVP and actively stalking/avoiding you. Path of titans got the -only dino- thing down, if not a bit too arcadey, but Evrima is a horror game and it'll be ten times more horrifying when you're a slow ape scrounging for objectives and ammo.

I see your point though, it's been forever and a half and it feels like we're burning rubber. Had this been a triple A game with the resources and time we'd have something here. As it is now.. I think we got some UE5 implemented generic human asset with a somewhat functioning revolver?

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by Space Bunny:

Originally posted by footsoljer:

No one is changing anyone's minds. The isle devs are severely incompetent, essentially re-making their game like 3 times because they suck. Humans have been in the game since its inception and they have been trash EVERY TIME they try to implement them over the course of like 7 years. The only thing that keeps the game afloat is the fact that they have solid dinosaur content. There is nothing out there like it but even that they keep re-doing. progression-legacy-and now evrima and the absolute sh*t gateway map. The isle devs have something good by accident and they are just fumbling it for their lame ass humans that have so far brought NOTHING to the game in its entire existence. Why on earth should they focus solely on humans when even the dinosaur aspect is still un-finished buggy and broken and that is what is keeping all the players lol.

Because shooting ♥♥♥♥ is fun, and more fun when it's PVP and actively stalking/avoiding you. Path of titans got the -only dino- thing down, if not a bit too arcadey, but Evrima is a horror game and it'll be ten times more horrifying when you're a slow ape scrounging for objectives and ammo.

I see your point though, it's been forever and a half and it feels like we're burning rubber. Had this been a triple A game with the resources and time we'd have something here. As it is now.. I think we got some UE5 implemented generic human asset with a somewhat functioning revolver?

I have for a long time been very suspicious of one of the biggest flaws of the dev team being that they constantly try to do too many things at the same time. Have ya'll seen how long it took to get beipi's sounds done in past devlogs? And while doing so the sound people were working on a bunch of other things.
I'm not even talking about not understanding that different teams have different jobs. I'm saying that at times it seems like the same team is trying to split attention too many different ways. If the sound people have multitasked to a ridiculous extent it's probably pretty fair to assume it happens a lot all over the teams in general.
Do a little work here, a little work there then come back and re-tweak what they already did then work it a little more then go to something else while they still aren't finished with the previous thing and some folks are going to say I don't understand game development and it's possible I don't but to me this stratigy just does not seem better then picking a task, working it till it's done and then moving to the next.