Herrera and how it ruins juvenile sanctuary's

[AKA KILL]

So ive recently discovered that Herrera can climb trees above the sanctuary's and be outside the range of the bees and it can then jump into and kill juvis looking for safety inside. A Proposal, have any dino that is subadult or greater growth that enters a sanctuary instantly die, because the damage the bees do is not enough of a deterent for adult dinos as it still allows them time to get the kill and exit before significant damage is done. what is the point of having these sanctuaries if it does nothing to protect you from certain threats? i understand a troodon being able to slip in and out however they are small enough and weak enough that even some fresh spawn juvies can defend themselves from your average player, however the Herrera is too dangerous in comparison to its size, not to mention the fact it can one shot a 30% grown Cerato is insane to me. should it be dangerous to most juviniles? yes, should it be able to oneshot a Cerato that is nearly adolescent? i dont think so the damage values are insane at best it seems.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by AKA KILL:

So ive recently discovered that Herrera can climb trees above the sanctuary's and be outside the range of the bees and it can then jump into and kill juvis looking for safety inside. A Proposal, have any dino that is subadult or greater growth that enters a sanctuary instantly die, because the damage the bees do is not enough of a deterent for adult dinos as it still allows them time to get the kill and exit before significant damage is done. what is the point of having these sanctuaries if it does nothing to protect you from certain threats? i understand a troodon being able to slip in and out however they are small enough and weak enough that even some fresh spawn juvies can defend themselves from your average player, however the Herrera is too dangerous in comparison to its size, not to mention the fact it can one shot a 30% grown Cerato is insane to me. should it be dangerous to most juviniles? yes, should it be able to oneshot a Cerato that is nearly adolescent? i dont think so the damage values are insane at best it seems.

Making adult dinosaurs or dinos above a certain growth die instantly when entering a sanctuary is a bad idea. Imagine, for instance, two people are playing stegosaurus and guiding a small group of little juveniles they hatched in to a sanctuary so they can venture to a migration area to get food/water for them while they are safe, but they mistakenly walk over an invisible line and both lose 5+ hours of gameplay while leaving another 3-4 players screwed over because they are too small to sustain themselves.

As far as herrera's damage is concerned, it's fine

It's a 330lb animal hitting you in the head or chest teeth/claws first after dropping 30-60 feet out of a kapok tree, it's gonna hurt pretty bad. Plus, it's not exactly kinetically unrealistic. African Leopards commonly hunt the same way in brushy acacia woodlands and successfully take out large antelope like Greater Kudu that can frequently exceed 500lbs in weight while the leopards are little more than 140lbs themselves.

It should be kept this way so sanctuaries are necessarily guaranteed safety if you don't have your guard up. Plus, it adds an extra element of fear to wooded areas, since an adult hera is a legitimate threat to all juvenile and most subadult dinosaurs regardless of where they are. Plus, the brambles and ferns throughout sanctuaries screw with the pounce hitbox, and the only way someone will reliably kill a sanctuary juvie with a pounce as Herrera is if they either stick to two or three areas where they have a direct shot at a more open area or simply get lucky.

Edit: Also, Herrera's fall speed during a pounce isn't exactly lightning fast. Staying on the move while varying your direction of travel easily messes up their aim.

[Frost Spectre]

They need to just increase the range of the Bee hives, but keep them from targeting adults outside sanctuaries.

[Rhibirr]

I agree with Florble. Instadeath is way too much just to get back at herrera for working around the system. Just have the bees insta swarm them instead with no warning stings just like they do to hypsi to keep them from standing high and spitting at everyone in the sanctuary. A insta swarm won't insta kill you but it will start doing damage imeedeitly which isn't too bad for a herrera who will always be able to climb to escape the stings but may not want to hunt there if eatting would mean standing around getting stung.

Also that leap attack isn't autotarget. While you do get a pointer you do have to aim and if the target moves while the herrera is falling they can't change course much in mid air so just look up. If you're small enough you can even use the squiggle plants as a sheild by making it hard to get a clean point on you.

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Making adult dinosaurs or dinos above a certain growth die instantly when entering a sanctuary is a bad idea. Imagine, for instance, two people are playing stegosaurus and guiding a small group of little juveniles they hatched in to a sanctuary so they can venture to a migration area to get food/water for them while they are safe, but they mistakenly walk over an invisible line and both lose 5+ hours of gameplay while leaving another 3-4 players screwed over because they are too small to sustain themselves.

Not to mention new players who don't understand why crossing this area they were in earlyer again just suddenly kills them after they've managed to grow something after probubly several tries.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Making adult dinosaurs or dinos above a certain growth die instantly when entering a sanctuary is a bad idea. Imagine, for instance, two people are playing stegosaurus and guiding a small group of little juveniles they hatched in to a sanctuary so they can venture to a migration area to get food/water for them while they are safe, but they mistakenly walk over an invisible line and both lose 5+ hours of gameplay while leaving another 3-4 players screwed over because they are too small to sustain themselves.

Not to mention new players who don't understand why crossing this area they were in earlyer again just suddenly kills them after they've managed to grow something after probubly several tries.

I hadn't thought of that, the salt would be flipping legendary (justifiably so).

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

I agree with Florble. Instadeath is way too much just to get back at herrera for working around the system. Just have the bees insta swarm them instead with no warning stings just like they do to hypsi to keep them from standing high and spitting at everyone in the sanctuary. A insta swarm won't insta kill you but it will start doing damage imeedeitly which isn't too bad for a herrera who will always be able to climb to escape the stings but may not want to hunt there if eatting would mean standing around getting stung.

Also that leap attack isn't autotarget. While you do get a pointer you do have to aim and if the target moves while the herrera is falling they can't change course much in mid air so just look up. If you're small enough you can even use the squiggle plants as a sheild by making it hard to get a clean point on you.

+1

[Forcedge]

If the hererra can get into the sanctuary and successfully bypass the bees, then the hererra deserves to make the kill. If anything, the whole bee mechanic is stupid and should be removed from the game. What bees were ever in existence that could KILL a dinosaur in less than a minute? Ridiculous

They could of just left the bees out of the game. The trees in the sanctuary already serve their purpose, which is to keep out bigger predators. If you are getting chased all you have to do is run inside

[Khanivore]

I like the bees, and sanctuaries are great for Herbs and Omnivores starting diets

If a Herra gets you, that's on you

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by Forcedge:

If the hererra can get into the sanctuary and successfully bypass the bees, then the hererra deserves to make the kill. If anything, the whole bee mechanic is stupid and should be removed from the game. What bees were ever in existence that could KILL a dinosaur in less than a minute? Ridiculous

They could of just left the bees out of the game. The trees in the sanctuary already serve their purpose, which is to keep out bigger predators. If you are getting chased all you have to do is run inside

Just assume they are genetically modified bees that the apollo engeneering guys wanted to use as extra control for the dinosaurs but they got out. I mean if you actually look at them they're frigging huge. I think instead of getting rid of the bees they should be the carnivore version of the mushrooms. Like if you're small enough you can eat them. Maybe troodons should be an exeption though because those buggers can already live in there at adulthood. They already have a sanctuary perk.