Crocs, crocs, and more crocs...

[Endgunner]

Stahp it. I cant take it anymore. Im so done. At least until they add something that can kill a croc other then another croc or a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ steggo. Grow for 30-40 minutes? Thirsty? Good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ luck pal. Here is a nice 50-90% chance you get 1-2 shot by a massive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ croc.

Ether that or, you can go to one of the places that are miles away from any food and drink from water that may not have a croc in it. That is if a dilo army does not kill you along the way. ♥♥♥♥ this game, and ♥♥♥♥ this update even more. The only things you can grow reliably now are Dilo and Herra. Get used to it.

[Touch Me]

I haven't really died from crocs lately, unless it was harassing them while they goof off on land. Aside from that I still can't believe people still play and over-saturate the water as crocs. Like do they know there is plenty of other more fun to play dinos? Hell, Herrera is my favorite just for the tree gimmick, and it still offers a laid-back experience if you decide to play it as such, not to mention is grows fast. Dilo though needs more adjustments as it basically a much better Omni/troodon. It should not be that powerful.

I've been wondering as to why the maps are still freaking empty although people are congregating in the North east. Freaking croc players.

Aside from that you can grow Pachy, Teno, Steg, Galli, and Dryo just fine. The only rough part is the constant battle royal in the northeast between carnivore players.

[Endgunner]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Touch Me:

I haven't really died from crocs lately, unless it was harassing them while they goof off on land. Aside from that I still can't believe people still play and over-saturate the water as crocs. Like do they know there is plenty of other more fun to play dinos? Hell, Herrera is my favorite just for the tree gimmick, and it still offers a laid-back experience if you decide to play it as such, not to mention is grows fast. Dilo though needs more adjustments as it basically a much better Omni/troodon. It should not be that powerful.

I've been wondering as to why the maps are still freaking empty although people are congregating in the North east. Freaking croc players.

Aside from that you can grow Pachy, Teno, Steg, Galli, and Dryo just fine. The only rough part is the constant battle royal in the northeast between carnivore players.

Pachy is easy to grow but boring as hell solo, while also being pretty damn weak. Teno can be fun, but takes ages, steg is kill on sight for 90% of players. Gali is fun and easy to grow, ill give you that. But Dryo?

I want to play Cerato, but 2 Dilos can pretty much face tank you. Only think worthwhile is Carno, Dilo, Herra, and Ptera. Carno still slaps, Dilo is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ OP, Herra is a great glass cannon, and Ptera is Ptera.

Other then that, Cerato is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ utterly by Dilo. All it takes is 2 suicidal ones to up and kill you. Nothing you can do about it. And heaven forbid its a 4v1. Omni? Possably, Dilo? Your dead no matter what you do.

Legit the only thing other then Dilo, Ptera, and Herra I've managed to grow is Carno. And then here comes the crocs...

[Edgio Auditore]

Croc is unfortunately the meta. And as long as player a aggregating around NE, it will be a feast for Deino Players.

There 3 Vektors to count in, that contribute to this mess.

1.) One is the game itself, by defining the rules, when where is food for the players.
They do it with Migration Zones and this pretty much messed up AI Spawn System.

2.) Another is what you decide to play, and how you play. Deinos are avoidable on Gateway. As soon as you know how to, you can drink safely. Problem is now the situation for Carnis and some herbies being forced for their diet (or any food) to NE. So... point One overrides it atm.

3.) But a third one is the playerbase in total and the dynamics that follow from that. Deinos actually did struggle on Gateway, before everyone decided to make NE a battle royal/deathmatch field! This collective decision lead to a situation where just a certain bit of players are profiting from. And as long as everyone decides to play carnivore (especially Dilo), everyone will be there.

I have unfortunately not enough data for a final assessment, but the Migration Zones for Herbs are getting in the way of players agenda, making the experience dull or stressful, dependent if you want to travel those distances or keep at a place, where you know the migration zone will be at one session or the other. (I rather switch server than walking that mile).
I assume the reason why so many play crocs now, is that it is the least frustrating now, as long as you can reliably expect land dwelling people to stick at NE, the zone which is the most suitable for Deino because of that.

It is a feedback loop! :/

[Lesmir]

dont stay in their '' territory '' hot spot , problem solve. Deino are 100% avoidable. if you fight its either because you were careless or you chose to fight them , so its on you.

there is food issue with the spawning sure but thats not a Deino issue.

[Endgunner]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lesmir:

dont stay in their '' territory '' hot spot , problem solve. Deino are 100% avoidable. if you fight its either because you were careless or you chose to fight them , so its on you.

there is food issue with the spawning sure but thats not a Deino issue.

Starvation tells me to stay there. Deino stays there, thus its an issue with the game and Deino.

[Gloofin]

This does make me wonder, what was the point of Deino in the first place? Plenty of other semi-aquatics to choose from that would be way more fun to play as and against. Looking back i don't think Deino was ever.... fun? Or fair?
The gameplay style of ambushing... sure. Hunger goes down too fast to wait in an area. And before the stamina changes you sprinted up and down the river anyway, only having to use 1/4th of your stamina for the actual ambushing part because of cheesing the ability.
Even with the stamina changes people just sprint and cheese the ability and hunger drain hasn't been adjusted all that much.
So... sprinter ambusher? Sure. Except you can't see it until it is very close or do anything once you're grabbed. And they guard a resource you need frequently.
So, functionally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ god of water that you have to pray will let you live another day.

[Endgunner]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Glutton:

This does make me wonder, what was the point of Deino in the first place? Plenty of other semi-aquatics to choose from that would be way more fun to play as and against. Looking back i don't think Deino was ever.... fun? Or fair?
The gameplay style of ambushing... sure. Hunger goes down too fast to wait in an area. And before the stamina changes you sprinted up and down the river anyway, only having to use 1/4th of your stamina for the actual ambushing part because of cheesing the ability.
Even with the stamina changes people just sprint and cheese the ability and hunger drain hasn't been adjusted all that much.
So... sprinter ambusher? Sure. Except you can't see it until it is very close or do anything once you're grabbed. And they guard a resource you need frequently.
So, functionally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ god of water that you have to pray will let you live another day.

Could not have said it better myself.

[Lesmir]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Glutton:

This does make me wonder, what was the point of Deino in the first place? Plenty of other semi-aquatics to choose from that would be way more fun to play as and against. Looking back i don't think Deino was ever.... fun? Or fair?
The gameplay style of ambushing... sure. Hunger goes down too fast to wait in an area. And before the stamina changes you sprinted up and down the river anyway, only having to use 1/4th of your stamina for the actual ambushing part because of cheesing the ability.
Even with the stamina changes people just sprint and cheese the ability and hunger drain hasn't been adjusted all that much.
So... sprinter ambusher? Sure. Except you can't see it until it is very close or do anything once you're grabbed. And they guard a resource you need frequently.
So, functionally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ god of water that you have to pray will let you live another day.

deino is the noob eater of the game...i must admit the game could give you a tutorial tho so that players like you learn better way to survive.... and again food spawn is a huge issue for everyone , deino is not. when you die to a deino its 100% on you as there is so many way to avoid them completly. why dont you drink behind rocks and wood ? or on the waterfall rock formation where deino cant reach , look at ripples , hear for noise , bait/fake drinking and then move elsewhere , be subtile ? stay in bushes , wait for an other dino to drink and go drink a little bit further , go at night and stay in the very shallow part of the water so deino cant see you from underwhater.

in that kind of game you either learn and move on/survive or you complain on the forum with nothing changing at all

[Endgunner]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lesmir:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Glutton:

This does make me wonder, what was the point of Deino in the first place? Plenty of other semi-aquatics to choose from that would be way more fun to play as and against. Looking back i don't think Deino was ever.... fun? Or fair?
The gameplay style of ambushing... sure. Hunger goes down too fast to wait in an area. And before the stamina changes you sprinted up and down the river anyway, only having to use 1/4th of your stamina for the actual ambushing part because of cheesing the ability.
Even with the stamina changes people just sprint and cheese the ability and hunger drain hasn't been adjusted all that much.
So... sprinter ambusher? Sure. Except you can't see it until it is very close or do anything once you're grabbed. And they guard a resource you need frequently.
So, functionally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ god of water that you have to pray will let you live another day.

deino is the noob eater of the game...i must admit the game could give you a tutorial tho so that players like you learn better way to survive.... and again food spawn is a huge issue for everyone , deino is not. when you die to a deino its 100% on you as there is so many way to avoid them completly. why dont you drink behind rocks and wood ? or on the waterfall rock formation where deino cant reach , look at ripples , hear for noise , bait/fake drinking and then move elsewhere , be subtile ? stay in bushes , wait for an other dino to drink and go drink a little bit further , go at night and stay in the very shallow part of the water so deino cant see you from underwhater.

in that kind of game you either learn and move on/survive or you complain on the forum with nothing changing at all

Completely my ass. They hide in bushes too you know.

[MancakeBR]

I just like chilling and chatting with other Deinos.

I don't appreciate Deinos trying to eat me, just for them to find out that I'd kill them instead. I even leave their corpse on the beach for other predators.

[Voyager]

This is what happends when someone designs entire map water sources arround one species becouse " iTs a hOrrOr gAMe ". What works in theory not always works in reality becouse there is human factor into it. People always find a way to abuse things in video games or simply use them to the fullest potential.

So instead beautiful lakes, mountain streams, small ponds and other unique water sources - we have every water source desinged arround deino for the sake of jumpscares.

[ice]

i played deino for awhile just to figure out where they go and end up, and I realized very quickly that 99% of deino players are just incredibly dumb, they have no situational awareness, don't pay attention, they're incredibly easy to ambush most of the time

I think this is mostly because the dino is just straight up overpowered and they don't have to think, you don't need to be a deliberate ambusher who carefully has to stalk their prey without getting noticed setting up the perfect moment when all that is taken care of for you by the game just doing it for you, no skill or thought necessary, once the prey arrives, click one button for a one shot kill that they can't even do anything to avoid, and even if they dart from one spot of the pond to the next it doesn't matter because the deino can move faster than anything in the water and go right to the player, once there is any kind of meat near by it just accelerates the process as more and more come to the water edge to try to get food

just be in the water, where every other player *has* to go to just stay alive, and often has to get near or go straight through to travel at all

on top of all this, once a deino is in the water it's completely impervious to attack, and even outside the water they can hold their own and have to really eff up to actually get killed

another thing is they literally get infinite free food that only they can access and gives them diet

they need to add radioactivity or some kind of deino-specific poison into the waterways to actually make deino have a slight issue of some kind to deal with, make them start to get eaten away by acid if they are in the water too long

it's just completely absurd and imbalanced

[Botji]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ice:

i played deino for awhile just to figure out where they go and end up, and I realized very quickly that 99% of deino players are just incredibly dumb, they have no situational awareness, don't pay attention, they're incredibly easy to ambush most of the time

I think this is mostly because the dino is just straight up overpowered and they don't have to think, you don't need to be a deliberate ambusher who carefully has to stalk their prey without getting noticed setting up the perfect moment when all that is taken care of for you by the game just doing it for you, no skill or thought necessary, once the prey arrives, click one button for a one shot kill that they can't even do anything to avoid, and even if they dart from one spot of the pond to the next it doesn't matter because the deino can move faster than anything in the water and go right to the player, once there is any kind of meat near by it just accelerates the process as more and more come to the water edge to try to get food

just be in the water, where every other player *has* to go to just stay alive, and often has to get near or go straight through to travel at all

on top of all this, once a deino is in the water it's completely impervious to attack, and even outside the water they can hold their own and have to really eff up to actually get killed

another thing is they literally get infinite free food that only they can access and gives them diet

they need to add radioactivity or some kind of deino-specific poison into the waterways to actually make deino have a slight issue of some kind to deal with, make them start to get eaten away by acid if they are in the water too long

it's just completely absurd and imbalanced

Except you are wrong.

Deino is in fact one of the more "deliberate" dinos in the game, you have to prepare and plan almost everything in advance.

Where are you going for the ambush?
How are you getting there? walking on land over any sort of distance is not just "oh well lets gooo!"
How are you ambushing? almost all water sources have "safe" spots to drink from, do you set up in a bush or something instead?


What you are describing is not OP Deinos with no situational awareness getting kills on players because the game is centered around them but land dinos/players with no situational awareness getting killed because they lack any self preservation instinct and think they can just go to whatever water that is closest and most convenient for them to drink and the game should be changed to enable that behavior, because you are lazy and cant bother to plan or be careful about where you drink.

Basically everything you said about Deino is in fact not the Deinos fault, but the land players being idiots and getting eaten for being idiots.

Playing Deino and catching non-idiot players DOES require planning and preparation because unlike you they do not just walk up to the deep end and drink hoping there is no Deino, they drink from spots where even if there is a Deino, they have enough time to run.


I have not been eaten by a Deino on Gateway yet because unlike you I "deliberately" drink from places where I feel safe. Well I have taken risky drinks too when I dont really care if one gets me or not but only risky in a way of "if a Deino happens to pass through here they could get me", never drink from anywhere near a hotspot unless its a safe place.

[MancakeBR]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Botji:

Oprindeligt skrevet af ice:

i played deino for awhile just to figure out where they go and end up, and I realized very quickly that 99% of deino players are just incredibly dumb, they have no situational awareness, don't pay attention, they're incredibly easy to ambush most of the time

I think this is mostly because the dino is just straight up overpowered and they don't have to think, you don't need to be a deliberate ambusher who carefully has to stalk their prey without getting noticed setting up the perfect moment when all that is taken care of for you by the game just doing it for you, no skill or thought necessary, once the prey arrives, click one button for a one shot kill that they can't even do anything to avoid, and even if they dart from one spot of the pond to the next it doesn't matter because the deino can move faster than anything in the water and go right to the player, once there is any kind of meat near by it just accelerates the process as more and more come to the water edge to try to get food

just be in the water, where every other player *has* to go to just stay alive, and often has to get near or go straight through to travel at all

on top of all this, once a deino is in the water it's completely impervious to attack, and even outside the water they can hold their own and have to really eff up to actually get killed

another thing is they literally get infinite free food that only they can access and gives them diet

they need to add radioactivity or some kind of deino-specific poison into the waterways to actually make deino have a slight issue of some kind to deal with, make them start to get eaten away by acid if they are in the water too long

it's just completely absurd and imbalanced

Where are you going for the ambush?
How are you getting there? walking on land over any sort of distance is not just "oh well lets gooo!"

I feel personally attacked as I did a trek from 1 water source to another with "LET'S GOOOOOOO" mentality. That swampy pond was really good for me to hide in and I even did a trek to a 3rd source cause I think the fish were giving me away.

[Botji]

Oprindeligt skrevet af MancakeBR:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Botji:

Where are you going for the ambush?
How are you getting there? walking on land over any sort of distance is not just "oh well lets gooo!"

I feel personally attacked as I did a trek from 1 water source to another with "LET'S GOOOOOOO" mentality. That swampy pond was really good for me to hide in and I even did a trek to a 3rd source cause I think the fish were giving me away.

I mean it can work ofc, its a bit of a bummer to lose a 100% Deino because you didnt know there were massive cliffs/walls/etc forcing your path to be 2-3x longer than expected or you happened to walk in a place where a lot of people frequenly pass by, including Stegs.