Cannibalistic behavior

[Chair Raptor]

I have noticed as of late the strange grief like behavior many share, especially with deino's even with the abundance of food and threat of dying. Many trolls seem to be lying in wait with another team member, mostly in discord or another chat, plotting and scheming others deaths.

After killing two of them and shortly dying from bleeding I am fully convinced that not only is cannibalism too buffed for many carnivores but it should be punished heavily by devs if they wish to "not make this game a fighting only game". If other dinosaurs go around killing the barely grown children or hell even adults at full hunger I cannot help but feel there should be some sort of disease that is gained.

Before anyone starts saying that its a skill issue or to get good, I do not think that killing off young ones in a spawn zone is fair or good for the future of this game's health. Nor do I think that killing another of your kind makes any logical sense especially when thirty dilos are rampaging about on land without any harm to each other.

[Jaevern]

What do you mean by canniblism is too buffed for many carnivores? The only carnivores as of now that benefit from canniblism is deino and cera. Imo theres nothing wrong with killing your own in a videogame. As it its in nature survival of the fittest and getting rid of future competition. Thats why the devs purposely are making most species cannibalistic.
Theres also already a punishment for species that eat their own. You get muscle spasms by that doesnt matter much because other players will kill you not bother to eat you anyway unless their dying of starvation. Adding diseases just because someone killed there own kind for whatever reasons is just not a good idea at all.

[Gloofin]

I do think the stamina changes were made to vaguely help situations like these. In real life it's not "kill everything in sight" because you *can't*. Risk vs reward, a small morsel is not worth the potential energy or injury.
The stamina changes slowed everyone down equally though so it accomplished nothing but make the game annoying.
There's also the problem of being outnumbered by your own species meaning instant death. 2v1 is a lost cause. I'd almost be interested in a "For Honor" type mechanic that buffs you for being outnumbered. Adrenaline or whatever.

I am hoping that the elder system will get people to relax. As it is, dying is the only thing to do once you're adult. With some reward for getting old, maybe people will reconsider their fights more instead of rushing the first potential source of fun they see.

[Rhibirr]

Some of this is because of NPC buggs making them very rare. Less food, more cannibles willing to take the debuffs. I've noticed it's already better then it was but it's still quite hard to find carnivore food. Deinos meanwhile....well anyone frustrated with the food thing might decide to become a deino out of frustration. These dieno players are not interested in deino itself and will then become bored so then they start attacking anything. This is of course on top of the bunch of dieno cannibles there always were.

[Lord Bofa]

If the Isle devs didn't want "cannibalism" they would not have put deinos as part of the deinosuchus diet. Simple as that. This isn't a buddy buddy game where everyone is furries, weebs, or nerds.

[Botji]

It should not be a outlet for your inner psychopath/edge lord either.
Even with the AI changes 2-3 adult Deinos can share a river without much issue, if the schooling fish are spawning semi-regularly they have no issues at all with starving to death.

And hey guess what, more people increases the odds of schooling and elite fish spawning not to mention how much easier it is to take down a Stego with one or two extra Deinos.

The benefits of cooperation heavily outweighs the temporary and short term gains from killing another Deino, the only reason for killing other Deinos is simply to feel good about ruining someones fun or pre-emptive self defense which definitely is a thing.

Had a mid size Deino show up in my river today but refused to say anything in chat despite me greeting them and later asking them to say something, still nothing, they were even obvious about trying to go to a spot to logout so they definitely were aware of me. Leaves me little choice but to kill them, they obviously were planning on doing it to me later with the refusal to drop their anonymity.

100% stupidity, even worse is that just 15-20 minutes after that there were some opportunities where having a slightly smaller Deino would have been amazing for grabbing someone on land that I then finish off while they are grabbed. We could both have been eating good there.


That is imo the problem with so called "cannibals", they are not doing it out of a need to do it, they just like to be douche bags and thats the reward they are after. Deino should not be on the diet simply because it gives these people a excuse to hide behind, Deinos would still be cannibals in the rare situation where they are actually starving to death because the penalties for being a cannibal are not worse than dying.

Instead Deino should have more dinos on their diet as well as AI. The idea that a croc would not gain anything but a full stomach from a pig, deer or goat is crazy just as its insane that FROGS are on the diet of a adult Deino. Devs have already shown that its possible to have different diets based on growth(herbies and their sanctuary shrooms) so shouldnt be an issue to give carnivores varied diets based on their growth.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[Powerferret]

Originally posted by Botji:

Had a mid size Deino show up in my river today but refused to say anything in chat despite me greeting them and later asking them to say something, still nothing, they were even obvious about trying to go to a spot to logout so they definitely were aware of me. Leaves me little choice but to kill them, they obviously were planning on doing it to me later with the refusal to drop their anonymity.
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So let me get this straight....you are opposed to canibalistic behavior, yet you felt threatened enough by a smaller deino than you trying to log out without talking to you first? Sounds like they were afraid of you killing them and were panic logging, and were then proven correct lol

[Botji]

Originally posted by Powerferret:

Originally posted by Botji:

Had a mid size Deino show up in my river today but refused to say anything in chat despite me greeting them and later asking them to say something, still nothing, they were even obvious about trying to go to a spot to logout so they definitely were aware of me. Leaves me little choice but to kill them, they obviously were planning on doing it to me later with the refusal to drop their anonymity.
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So let me get this straight....you are opposed to canibalistic behavior, yet you felt threatened enough by a smaller deino than you trying to log out without talking to you first? Sounds like they were afraid of you killing them and were panic logging, and were then proven correct lol

What a weird take, do you struggle with reading comprehension or something?

[Powerferret]

My bad, you didnt explicitly state how big you were, just that you killed someone who was trying to log out because they didnt talk to you first, and you felt threatened by it because "they obviously were planning on doing it to me later with the refusal to drop their anonymity.". It couldn't possibly be that they just didnt feel like talking to you lol

[That One Person]

Originally posted by Powerferret:

Originally posted by Botji:

Had a mid size Deino show up in my river today but refused to say anything in chat despite me greeting them and later asking them to say something, still nothing, they were even obvious about trying to go to a spot to logout so they definitely were aware of me. Leaves me little choice but to kill them, they obviously were planning on doing it to me later with the refusal to drop their anonymity.
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So let me get this straight....you are opposed to canibalistic behavior, yet you felt threatened enough by a smaller deino than you trying to log out without talking to you first? Sounds like they were afraid of you killing them and were panic logging, and were then proven correct lol

You did literally just say you killed a (presumably) smaller deino that was trying to log out, most likely because you were looking like you were about to kill it, under the excuse of "They would have done it first if they had the chance!", because they didn't respond to you.

[That One Person]

I'm not a deino main, as I don't much like deino, but that just kinda sounds like a ♥♥♥♥ move on your part (assuming you weren't starving, which you didn't say you were).

[Botji]

Originally posted by Gharial With A Gun:

Originally posted by Powerferret:

So let me get this straight....you are opposed to canibalistic behavior, yet you felt threatened enough by a smaller deino than you trying to log out without talking to you first? Sounds like they were afraid of you killing them and were panic logging, and were then proven correct lol

You did literally just say you killed a (presumably) smaller deino that was trying to log out, most likely because you were looking like you were about to kill it, under the excuse of "They would have done it first if they had the chance!", because they didn't respond to you.

Since you apparently dont know, Deino uses the chat as the minimum of a vibe check on each other.

Those that do not talk = likely to be biting your ass any second now if you let them for the simple fact that its so common that it is pretty much a rule that the random "cannibals" killing other Deinos do not speak, because that gives out their name.

A Deino that speaks shows that they are at least willing to give you their name, that alone is usually enough to give them the benefit of the doubt since they are much less likely to be trying to kill you after talking, especially since its also common to after greeting each other you outright ask if they are friendly/cannibal.

Contrary to popular belief people that talk and give their word that they are friendly/not a cannibal can usually be trusted with that. At least enough that it does not devolve into everyone trying to kill each other.



Another important fact that I thought was kinda obvious if you read what I wrote is that I placed a lot of importance on that they did not say anything, to the point that I felt I had no choice but to kill them.

Why would that be if I am in the huge main river delta that has dozens of Deino swimming back and forth all the time?

Because I was not in the main river delta, I was in the South Plains river where the opposite is true. Being in a small place like that means a random Deino showing up is a big deal, them refusing to even fake being a good neighbor makes it even worse because we will constantly be bumping into each other and that guy thinks its a good idea to stay anonymous, despite me pushing more and more for them to say something?

I did not go into detail about how it all went down since anything beyond the "they refused to say anything" is kinda pointless, its the lowest bar they need to overcome and they failed spectacularly.

But for clarity:
I greeted them and waited at a safe distance in the river while they were resting up on land.

They stop resting, enter the water and look around... comes swimming towards me, probably notices that I am in fact quite a bit larger than them and they sprint up on land again to hide in a bush.

I then ask them a little more pointedly if they can say something and wait.... and wait.. then they start moving again, enters the river and appears to be crossing it to the other side still not saying anything.

So I escalate it, I bite them a bit on the tail and chase them up on land a little before turning around and going back down to the river. Somewhat hoping for a "wHaT THe HeLl!?11?" type of message because there is no way they did not notice that. Nothing.

Back at the river I type something along the lines of "If you do not speak then you are food" and walk back up again to where I left them. Since I have not gotten a response yet I am now entirely convinced they are a "cannibal" doing everything they can to survive while still keeping their anonymity so they can attack me later without any consequences, as they do. I still give them the time it takes to slowly waddle my way up the hill.

Sure enough they are just a few steps away from where I left them, in a bush trying to logout.

I think I did whatever I could to give them several opportunities to disarm the situation and they refused so I killed them and shared the meal with a small group of Herreras.




Long story short, they basically came running at me with a mask and knife and now people are surprised I shot them after they refused to stop or talk with me but if you ask me most people would not even have given them half the options I did.

In the end act like a psychopath and you get put down like one, simple as that.

[Gloofin]

Sizing you up is a pretty clear sign of a cannibal.
Though, there is the rare chance that their chat was bugged out; i've encountered a few buddies who had that happen to them. The chat just... doesn't appear at all.
Maybe they didn't see you when they swam in your direction, maybe they did and, because their chat was bugged out, assumed you weren't speaking because you were a cannibal.
Lots of what ifs but it's done now.

[Powerferret]

Originally posted by Botji:

*snip*

See, more details are helpful. He did a lot more suspicious behavior, so I totally agree with your assessment now.

I was basing what you said earlier on my own behavior. I like to solo, and i try to not get noticed by other deinos, to the point that I will not respond sometimes if I think you don't know exactly where I am. I will also sometimes log out if it looks like there are too many deinos in one area and not enough food, go play something else, and log in later to check the situation.

details make the difference!

[Touch Me]

Cannibalism for me is a last resort when I am a Deino or Cera. I do know there are those that get bored and decide to go murder-hobo and that is essentially frowned upon especially if they don't need to eat. Like if there is a scarcity of food or there is food nearby but is heavily guarded and I die to one of my own well I should have seen it coming, and prepared for it. I still get a little miffed but as long as it was done for survival then I am generally okay with it. Killing just to kill is meh, and it devalues the time you spent on a dino.

[That One Person]

Originally posted by Glutton:

Sizing you up is a pretty clear sign of a cannibal.
Though, there is the rare chance that their chat was bugged out; i've encountered a few buddies who had that happen to them. The chat just... doesn't appear at all.
Maybe they didn't see you when they swam in your direction, maybe they did and, because their chat was bugged out, assumed you weren't speaking because you were a cannibal.
Lots of what ifs but it's done now.

I feel that this is probably what happened. No deino would go up to a MUCH larger one to go cannibalize it.

Oh and, Botji, I do know that speaking and responding to another deino is a vibe check! I have played deino a fair bit, but the fact that they were smaller than you kinda downplays your agruement. They swam up to, probably thought you were a canni, and then ran to escape you. I'm not sure how you thought a smaller deino could kill you, so you killing them after they tried to run/log seems like overkill and miscommunication on both you and the other deino's end.