Cheats & Hacks

[Holy Scrotum]

I wont call the pages but there are legit cheats out there (NO freeware). People just started cheating in Evrima since 2022. I know ppl cry fast if they got killed but there are many cases like a Stego ran behind my Full grown Carno / Saw a Stego running faster than utah. Since than i record my play seasons.

[MycroftCanadaNS]

That is what you get for online games.

You can't stop it, no one can unless the dev decides on adding the ability for single player, or allow you to create your own server for you, and your friends to play on.

Every single online game suffers from cheaters. Heck, cheating online has been a problem since the 80's, and still no one has ever found a solution.

[ISI]

most triple AAA companies are unable to stop ACTUAL (hacker, and cheater) and their buyers. though some have tried (bungie).

[MAXE]

Originally posted by ISI:

most triple AAA companies are unable to stop ACTUAL (hacker, and cheater) and their buyers. though some have tried (bungie).

It is pretty easy though .. computers are yes & no .. not maybe !

[LoRd_D]

Originally posted by MycroftCanadaNS:

That is what you get for online games.

You can't stop it, no one can unless the dev decides on adding the ability for single player, or allow you to create your own server for you, and your friends to play on.

Every single online game suffers from cheaters. Heck, cheating online has been a problem since the 80's, and still no one has ever found a solution.

No their is a solution but gamers would cry about it like they always do. You just have to give up some privacy and the anti-cheat has to be really intrusive if you want cheaters to be gone. The most effective way is to instead of ip banning but banning the cpu motherboard ram and gpu. But like I said gamers cry about intrusive anti cheats because muh privacy.

[MAXE]

Originally posted by LoRd_D:

Originally posted by MycroftCanadaNS:

That is what you get for online games.

You can't stop it, no one can unless the dev decides on adding the ability for single player, or allow you to create your own server for you, and your friends to play on.

Every single online game suffers from cheaters. Heck, cheating online has been a problem since the 80's, and still no one has ever found a solution.

No their is a solution but gamers would cry about it like they always do. You just have to give up some privacy and the anti-cheat has to be really intrusive if you want cheaters to be gone. The most effective way is to instead of ip banning but banning the cpu motherboard ram and gpu. But like I said gamers cry about intrusive anti cheats because muh privacy.

It is okay if it is intrusive .. for as long it is restricted to share any informations with anybody otherside the game do to the laws in the country´s and GDPR

If people are getting banned for hacking and cheating in the games, then i would be more than happy about it ..

I rather want to play against 100 legit players, than against 1 cheater that ruins it for the other 100 players ..

[MycroftCanadaNS]

Originally posted by LoRd_D:

Originally posted by MycroftCanadaNS:

That is what you get for online games.

You can't stop it, no one can unless the dev decides on adding the ability for single player, or allow you to create your own server for you, and your friends to play on.

Every single online game suffers from cheaters. Heck, cheating online has been a problem since the 80's, and still no one has ever found a solution.

No their is a solution but gamers would cry about it like they always do. You just have to give up some privacy and the anti-cheat has to be really intrusive if you want cheaters to be gone. The most effective way is to instead of ip banning but banning the cpu motherboard ram and gpu. But like I said gamers cry about intrusive anti cheats because muh privacy.

All of those tricks have been used over the years, and none of them worked.

[LoRd_D]

Originally posted by MycroftCanadaNS:

Originally posted by LoRd_D:

No their is a solution but gamers would cry about it like they always do. You just have to give up some privacy and the anti-cheat has to be really intrusive if you want cheaters to be gone. The most effective way is to instead of ip banning but banning the cpu motherboard ram and gpu. But like I said gamers cry about intrusive anti cheats because muh privacy.

All of those tricks have been used over the years, and none of them worked.

Of course there is no 100% percent way to stop it but having a really intrusive anti cheat helps moving critical game data to company owned servers and a moderation team helps. But I can tell you this some anti cheats people have made in arma 3 does better than the main stream ones. You basically need a anti cheat that is more inline as being classed as spyware But like i said people dont want effective anti cheats they want privacy to and those dont go hand to hand its either one or the other. It's either you want security and no privacy or privacy with no security. It can be done But everything has a price.

[MycroftCanadaNS]

Originally posted by LoRd_D:

Originally posted by MycroftCanadaNS:

All of those tricks have been used over the years, and none of them worked.

Of course there is no 100% percent way to stop it but having a really intrusive anti cheat helps moving critical game data to company owned servers and a moderation team helps. But I can tell you this some anti cheats people have made in arma 3 does better than the main stream ones. You basically need a anti cheat that is more inline as being classed as spyware But like i said people dont want effective anti cheats they want privacy to and those dont go hand to hand its either one or the other. It's either you want security and no privacy or privacy with no security. It can be done But everything has a price.

I know what you are saying. Battleye is a decent enough piece of software but is flawed just like every other piece of software.

I have been setting up my own servers since the 90's, and up to now, and if the server software allows for it I will either use a password or use a whitelist. If someone asks to join I will do some research on the person before allowing them in the server. I know, real pain in the rear end but it's worth it in the end.

Regardless how intrusive a piece of software or hardware is, someone can overcome it which is why no one would even go near some sort of spyware.

I know there are certain things which are more difficult to bypass but it can still be done which is why no matter how intrusive a piece of software is, it is a waste of time.

The cons outweigh the pros in all of this. Why allow someone to snoop, change your system data, and collect your data to stop someone from hacking a game.

Who cares about people hacking, and cheating in a game really? Would you allow a company to take control of your system, and steal your data just so you can play a game?

I don't want that.

In the end the only way which can stop hacking is when everyone grows a sense of fair play, and that is just as impossible as finding a a secure way to stop hacking.

[cianuro]

Banning the game to China would solve 90% of piracy.
We all know where the vast majority of pathetic cheaters come from, and I think we already have a clear example in Legacy.

[MycroftCanadaNS]

Originally posted by cianuro:

Banning the game to China would solve 90% of piracy.
We all know where the vast majority of pathetic cheaters come from, and I think we already have a clear example in Legacy.

I hate to say this but I agree with you on this. The vast majority of the hacking does come from overseas which is unfortunate.

[ISI]

Originally posted by MycroftCanadaNS:

Originally posted by cianuro:

Banning the game to China would solve 90% of piracy.
We all know where the vast majority of pathetic cheaters come from, and I think we already have a clear example in Legacy.

I hate to say this but I agree with you on this. The vast majority of the hacking does come from overseas which is unfortunate.

Which is interesting Because they have less hacker in their own games. I blieve this is due in part to the fact that they have to connect more infomation to play, like there phone numbers.

[MycroftCanadaNS]

Originally posted by ISI:

Originally posted by MycroftCanadaNS:

I hate to say this but I agree with you on this. The vast majority of the hacking does come from overseas which is unfortunate.

Which is interesting Because they have less hacker in their own games. I blieve this is due in part to the fact that they have to connect more infomation to play, like there phone numbers.

That could be a possibility.

[Botji]

I would actually say that its fairly easy to stop cheating, at least movement based ones and even ESP type cheats though ESP would raise the difficulty a lot.

The real problem is how much people are willing to pay for it in terms of game/server performance. A speeding Stego would not be possible if the server was looking at how fast it is moving, how much distance it is covering etc.

The worst thing is that the server is basically already doing it since it has to know where the players are and where they are moving to send the updates to everyone connected.


As always its more a case of "We dont think its worth the 'cost' to do this." rather than "This can not be done."

Im not that informed to be able to tell if its right or not, it could turn out that its super intense on the server to add checks on this since it would have to be run for every single update when players are moving, possibly with an additional check to keep track of vertical movement(falling might break the speed limit) etc but there are already games/cheat detection that seem to be using stuff like that so I would assume its not that absurd of a performance drain.

[Gloofin]

you're all suggesting insane measures to get rid of hackers when there could just be a moderator. works just fine for unofficial servers.

[Gruffigummi]

Who pays for this moderator? Even if you would find some ppl that take only 10 bucks an hour it would be thousends of follar each day...