What happened to T-Rex?

[little boris]

Hello Dev's and the community.

I have played a lot of T-Rex up to this point.
I don't see what the point of T-rex is anymore. The play style around this dino has changed so dramatically. Let me point out some issues.

T-Rex gained a speed buff from 26(?) to 33. Don't know exact numbers. However, the stamina got so badly nerfed and that is the main issue. Now, what is the problem with this?

1. When you grow your T-rex you don't want to be near populated areas. What I usually do is grow somewhere peaceful and quiet. Wich I guess most people do unless you have some friends to help you out in case of threats. Once I get adult/near adult I start making my way back. Now here's the first problem...
You will guarantee die from starvation if you're alone cause AI's barely spawn unless you're teamed or if carnivores are nearby. If they do it's not enough to sustain you at all.
Then we have our stamina that lasts 30 secs. Taking yesterday as an example, I was on around 20% food just shortly after hitting adult. Trying to make my way back desperately. Given that i'll die from starvation otherwise. I make a run for it as my food gets lower and lower, got barely any time to rest so i'm stuck on drained stamina pool desperately trying to reach a populated area or get any AI. I end up getting red stomach (first time after the changes). I eventually reach a populated area wich happened to be empty by that time. So i starved to death.

2. Rexe's play style changes so now we basically just camp a small area. What I usually do is hang around Utah Rock to secure myself AI food (cause theres always people there). As were constantly hungry for most of the time we barely get the chance to fully ambush a prey. And T-rex can be noticed by anyone no matter how hard you try.

So why? Please anyone that played adult Rex lately give your opinion on this. Don't unless you played it.

I'm asking for changes, not buffs. Revert the speed and give us some stamina back or find a solution.

[little boris]

Origineel geplaatst door Rotiart:

Origineel geplaatst door Balsafer:

The issue is food drain is to fast, and lack of AI in a server, and with 100 people online also you can still not see a soul for long periods of time. Game desperately needs more AI and bigger ones.

Not really. I can survive just fine at a 100 player count on AI alone. Problem arises closer to 200 players, where most people are hiding bushes, and there's not enough AI to go around

Yeah? Try going to a wast area/somewhere off and see how your ai working out buddy. It all depends if there’s people nearby or if your grouped with people. I usually just nest as a rex and grow small babies so assure ai spawns in near us.

[Balcifer]

Origineel geplaatst door Rotiart:

Origineel geplaatst door Balsafer:

The issue is food drain is to fast, and lack of AI in a server, and with 100 people online also you can still not see a soul for long periods of time. Game desperately needs more AI and bigger ones.

Not really. I can survive just fine at a 100 player count on AI alone. Problem arises closer to 200 players, where most people are hiding bushes, and there's not enough AI to go around

100 player server i still have issues finding AI

[EdvonSchleck]

Origineel geplaatst door little boris:

Origineel geplaatst door Rotiart:

Not really. I can survive just fine at a 100 player count on AI alone. Problem arises closer to 200 players, where most people are hiding bushes, and there's not enough AI to go around

Yeah? Try going to a wast area/somewhere off and see how your ai working out buddy. It all depends if there’s people nearby or if your grouped with people. I usually just nest as a rex and grow small babies so assure ai spawns in near us.

You are a player AI spawns around you like it does for everybody else. I dont know if the amount that spawns around a solo rex would be enough to sustain it over longer periods, but if it doesn't then thats just how it should be. Its a 6 ton apex predator after all. You're right in that more people usually equals more AI. But there's places other than Utah rock where you can find other players. Utah rock is really not a place where you want to hang out as a solo Rex for extended periods of time. I think I saw you on Pangaea, it should be easy to find people to play with and roam around together to learn the map. I don't play Rex often but I'll happily help you out if we both happen to play Rex at the same time.

[Rotiart]

Origineel geplaatst door little boris:

Origineel geplaatst door Rotiart:

Not really. I can survive just fine at a 100 player count on AI alone. Problem arises closer to 200 players, where most people are hiding bushes, and there's not enough AI to go around

Yeah? Try going to a wast area/somewhere off and see how your ai working out buddy. It all depends if there’s people nearby or if your grouped with people. I usually just nest as a rex and grow small babies so assure ai spawns in near us.

Step 1: Find a water source. Step 2: Hide in a bush. Step 3: Listen for AI calls. If you're trying to subsist off AI, it's better to stay away from players, lest someone locate the AI before you do.

[Rowsdower]

I have grown to adult (not max adult though) twice now just this week.

Here are my thoughts:

- I understand that the adult rex is supposed to be played as an ambush predator, and I would be fine with that, but not in its current form.

-food goes down way to fast. most ambush predators irl use very little engery. they sit and wait and then have a burst of lightning speed that cannot be sustained for long periods of time. Due to this sitting and waiting the creature uses very little energy. So, i think the adult rex's food decay needs to be drastically reduced. This will help prevent this apex predator from needing to eat every single player and ai it sees just to stay alive.

-I would actually prefer if the adult rex could not eat the ai. I think that considering its size, the rex should be focused on killing other players, not thundering around looking for the tiny little morsels the ai provide. This change we need to drastically reduce the rate the food decays though.

-Stamina needs to recharge while walking. Personally i think all dinos should recharge their stam while walking. We can debate the speed that it recharges, but not whether it should or not.

-Speed could stay the same, but maybe have the ambush burst duration be slightly longer. My reason for this is that the rex is so big that there are only a few areas of the map where you can find enough cover to be an effective ambusher. By increasing the duration of the ambush burst, the rex could ambush a larger area from a single hiding spot.

-This is more a complaint about smaller carnivores and bleed. The adult rex is so slow and unmanueverable that I and other rexes I have seen can be safely whittled down by a single carno. This is especially true at night where run by biting is much safer for the attacker. I am not sure what the best solution to this would be. I would like to see an "armor" stat added to the game, maybe call it hide thickness or something that makes larger dinos more resistant to the bites and bleeds of smaller dinos. I do not think there should ever be a scenario where 1 adult carno can kill and adult rex.

-I would also like to see an 'improved scent" for rexes. T-rex was known for having incredible olfactory senses. In game this could be an increased range of tracks and carcasses that the adult rex can sense. This would provide the rex with another avenue of food and gameplay. The adult rex if bored with or unsuccessful with ambushing could roam far and wide challenging other carnivores for their kills.

Those are just a few of my thoughts and ideas on the adult rex.

I was fairly shocked at the drastic change in gameplay going from a sub adult to an adult rex. In general I am ok with that change, and I do think the Rex should be an ambusher not a roaming killing machine, but right now I would call the adult rex broken with the current stats and mechanics. Personally I don't think I can justify the time commitment growing a rex to an adult just to die shortly after from starvation or a single carno.

I hope they make some smart changes to the rex that keep its unique ambush play style but make it easier the sustain that dino in the long run.

Let me know what you guys think!

P.S.
One more suggestion. Make the rex calls louder and more intimidating! I think they are underwhelming right now.

[PeasantKyr]

Origineel geplaatst door Rowsdower:

-This is more a complaint about smaller carnivores and bleed. The adult rex is so slow and unmanueverable that I and other rexes I have seen can be safely whittled down by a single carno. This is especially true at night where run by biting is much safer for the attacker. I am not sure what the best solution to this would be. I would like to see an "armor" stat added to the game, maybe call it hide thickness or something that makes larger dinos more resistant to the bites and bleeds of smaller dinos. I do not think there should ever be a scenario where 1 adult carno can kill and adult rex.

ALT turn.

[Rowsdower]

Origineel geplaatst door Kyre:

Origineel geplaatst door Rowsdower:

-This is more a complaint about smaller carnivores and bleed. The adult rex is so slow and unmanueverable that I and other rexes I have seen can be safely whittled down by a single carno. This is especially true at night where run by biting is much safer for the attacker. I am not sure what the best solution to this would be. I would like to see an "armor" stat added to the game, maybe call it hide thickness or something that makes larger dinos more resistant to the bites and bleeds of smaller dinos. I do not think there should ever be a scenario where 1 adult carno can kill and adult rex.

ALT turn.

Some servers ban alt turn and I think possibly Dondi said he wanted to get rid of it.

Also, alt turn doesnt solve the survivability issue, when you have to lay down to heal bleed damage.

Adult rex alt turn is also slower than most other dinos alt turn.

[PeasantKyr]

Origineel geplaatst door Rowsdower:

Some servers ban alt turn and I think possibly Dondi said he wanted to get rid of it.

Also, alt turn doesnt solve the survivability issue, when you have to lay down to heal bleed damage.

Adult rex alt turn is also slower than most other dinos alt turn.

Don't play on those servers.

This is what Dondi thinks on the matter:

https://www.twitch.tv/thedondi/clip/SmilingAbrasiveGullRiPepperonis?
filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

Rex alt turn is fast enough to get the job done. Rex also has the best bleed heal in the game.
You do not need to sit to heal, doing that just makes it heal faster.

Any creature that is that much faster than a rex is also one shot by them. They are taking a serious risk attempting to fight one.

[Rowsdower]

Origineel geplaatst door Kyre:

Origineel geplaatst door Rowsdower:

Some servers ban alt turn and I think possibly Dondi said he wanted to get rid of it.

Also, alt turn doesnt solve the survivability issue, when you have to lay down to heal bleed damage.

Adult rex alt turn is also slower than most other dinos alt turn.

Don't play on those servers.

This is what Dondi thinks on the matter:

https://www.twitch.tv/thedondi/clip/SmilingAbrasiveGullRiPepperonis?
filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

Rex alt turn is fast enough to get the job done. Rex also has the best bleed heal in the game.
You do not need to sit to heal, doing that just makes it heal faster.

Any creature that is that much faster than a rex is also one shot by them. They are taking a serious risk attempting to fight one.

Ok, thanks for that link. I was wrong. I'm not sure where i saw that...

I still think it should be way harder for a single carno to kill a Rex with or without alt turning. Just my own thoughts on that.

I only have like 100 hours in game, so it is entirely possible that I am just bad at dueling, but I have seen others be taken down by single carrnos too.

[Dapper]

So far, everything you've said that you seem to consider bad about rex is working as intended. I know that's harsh, but it's true. Rex is not supposed to be able to live on AI as an adult. It is intended to hunt large prey, and it can be very good at that. If you can catch a giga or trike alone, you stand a very reasonable chance of killing them, provided they can't run away from you, which you ensure by breaking their leg. Smaller things you kill in one-two bites.

As for rex not being noticed: Camouflage is key. Now, making good camouflage is very tricky, but it can be done. There have been many times where myself or my friends have fallen victim to rexes that were virtually invisible until they already had their jaws around their prey. For dilos, utahs (which you stand very little chance of catching, unless they are very distracted) carnos probably, and also ceratos, if you bite, they die. Almost instantly unless they are full adult and you are not. All you have to do is use cover to your advantage and "follow the screams." Conflict is key. If things are fighting each other, they are most likely not going to notice a sneaky rex crouching in the bushes until it's too late.

As for growing: You need to start heading back to more populated areas BEFORE you hit adult model. That will ensure a steady stream of ai for you to munch on, and sub rex is a lot beefier than he used to be. You CAN make kills on smaller animals, like juvenile carnivores and herbivores (just not around/on beaches, that's a bannable offense) and so on. And sub rex is really quite good at running away from things it doesn't like. You have a massive stamina pool as a sub, and are one of the faster dinosaurs in the game. If you want to get really good: start trying to grow IN the popular areas and remain undetected. Permadeath is a strong learning incentive, and with practice you can become quite stealthy.

As for adult rex stamina: That is intended. You are not a distance sprinter, you are a distance trotter. Ideally, you crouch everywhere as rex, but we all know ideal situations are few and far between in this game. That's very true-to-life. Your stamina as an adult rex is to be used and reserved only for ambush. You can get it back right quick if you lay down, sure, but if you go sprinting into a populated area everything within 200 meters is gonna know you're there and soon everyone will be gone. The good rexes are the ones nobody knows are there, and the ones nobody sees until they have already made their kill. Like others have said, distance travel is a luxury reserved for full hunger.

Also, rex is, as others have stated, a very difficult dinosaur. Dondi himself has stated "if you see an adult rex, you should be saying 'wow, that guy's really good.'" And you should be afraid of them. If rex is too difficult for you, which it very well may be if you are new to the game, which you may or may not be, cerato is a really nice alternative that may be more your speed. Giga is another good option, if you are dead set on an apex carnivore but want to be able to travel. Giga regens stam while trotting, and has a lot more of it than rex. That may be a better fit for you.

Good luck and happy hunting.

[Wraithguard]

the only buff I could see for the adult rex is a slight decrease in metabolism. It is true that if you are an ambush predator you should consume less energy while waiting for a good opportunity. This would also cut down on the frequency at which a rex has to make another player restart, allowing more people to at least reach subadults, which is healthy for the food chain and overall population/player experience of the game. Along with that decrease to the food consumption might come the inability for adult rexes to feed off of the current small AI. Larger AI planned for the future could still be an option, they would just have to be quite a bit more rare.

[PeasantKyr]

Origineel geplaatst door Wraithguard:

the only buff I could see for the adult rex is a slight decrease in metabolism. It is true that if you are an ambush predator you should consume less energy while waiting for a good opportunity. This would also cut down on the frequency at which a rex has to make another player restart, allowing more people to at least reach subadults, which is healthy for the food chain and overall population/player experience of the game. Along with that decrease to the food consumption might come the inability for adult rexes to feed off of the current small AI. Larger AI planned for the future could still be an option, they would just have to be quite a bit more rare.

Frankly, I think both Rex and Giga could use a change like this.

[Lain]

rex ambushed from nowhere in the middle of some dense forest
me and another giga were following it tracks - we knew there was a rex nearby

but this rex knew we were around and set himself up and pounced us - broke both our bones instantly*kinda weird it seemed like one bite affected both of us* and after 10 or so seconds of a apex brawl my friend died - the rex also died almost instantly after as i was gnawing his backside as he was gnawing my friend

rex can basically 1v2 gigas if it gets the jump on them - and even if the rex had like 2-3 mid tiers in a mix pack i woulda died if they decided to contest the body

they gotta get that jump on you tho

[Kia]

Rex playstyle is fine, but it could use a hunger buff. Stat wise it is more balanced than I think it has been in a long, long time. The problem is, ambush hunters need a lot of hunger to compensate for their lack of mobility and rex starves as if it can just run around and find food willy nilly. A larger hunger bar would make it so you can stay and lay in wait for an opportunity to ambush something, without starving to death.

[EdvonSchleck]

Origineel geplaatst door Dragon With A Monocle:

Also, rex is, as others have stated, a very difficult dinosaur. Dondi himself has stated "if you see an adult rex, you should be saying 'wow, that guy's really good.'"

Note that there's a difference in difficulty between growing a Rex and surviving as adult. Funny Dondi has said that, given how AI is handed to juvenile and subadult dinosaurs these days. The only difficulty in growing a Rex or any dinosaur for that matter is to overcome your own impatience and refrain from doing stupid sh1t. Now adult Rex life is reasonably difficult i would say. Here's hoping that growth will eventually be more difficult, or rather gameplay would be changed in ways where players are incentivised to actually take risks as a juvi or sub, which currently just isn't the case yet.