didnt the devs said that they will get updates out faster then before? cause it sure doesnt look like it what ever happend to that promise?

[Star-Dust]

title says all.

[[OG] Brandoid]

Yes they did say that before. They had hopes that "clean code" would allow them to do whatever they wanted without breaking the game every time they wanted to update stuff etc, but that has turned out not to be the case. The game having a pretty small team so they cant just brute force the development is another factor.

Something else to keep in mind if youve ever seen their streams is they always have way more going on than whats in the live build of the game. It practically feels like they have twice the content of the live game including new map, dinos. mechanics, all at various stages of completion.

[Star-Dust]

Originally posted by Brandoid:

Yes they did say that before. They had hopes that "clean code" would allow them to do whatever they wanted without breaking the game every time they wanted to update stuff etc, but that has turned out not to be the case. The game having a pretty small team so they cant just brute force the development is another factor.

Something else to keep in mind if youve ever seen their streams is they always have way more going on than whats in the live build of the game. It practically feels like they have twice the content of the live game including new map, dinos. mechanics, all at various stages of completion.

ah they shouldnt have made that promise ngl then. but what ever its worth the wait:)

[JohnM81]

Originally posted by Brandoid:

Something else to keep in mind if youve ever seen their streams is they always have way more going on than whats in the live build of the game. It practically feels like they have twice the content of the live game including new map, dinos. mechanics, all at various stages of completion.

I haven noticed this and find it very frustrating. Why are they doing stuff that is slated for update 8+ when 6 isn't out yet. I feel like the team has bad leadership and aren't focused.

[Star-Dust]

Originally posted by JohnM81:

Originally posted by Brandoid:

Something else to keep in mind if youve ever seen their streams is they always have way more going on than whats in the live build of the game. It practically feels like they have twice the content of the live game including new map, dinos. mechanics, all at various stages of completion.

I haven noticed this and find it very frustrating. Why are they doing stuff that is slated for update 8+ when 6 isn't out yet. I feel like the team has bad leadership and aren't focused.

well there game is great and im excited for future updates:) but there devs suck ass in keeping there words.

[Jimmy Felon]

As it turns out, I don't think the previous code being broken was the primary issue. Theoretically, you should be able to fix broken code, and a lot of work obviously went into Legacy. But they thought starting from scratch would make things easier, and as far as making a better, more up to date game, I'm sure they were right to do so.

However, this is a complex game and this team is small. They are also making Evrima, in many ways, more complex than Legacy.

Truly though, with the scope of the game having a large roster of dinosaurs, humans, etc, it seems like it might take them ten years to complete the game at the current rate of progress. I think it's safe to say with the new mechanics they've added, things are going to break and have to be fixed, which is going to slow them down.

[Rhibirr]

I tend to feel like they try to multitask too much. Particularly with future concepts while current things they are working on are not finished. And they're also perfectionists which is never good to mix with multitasking. That's how you get the testing testing testing but there's still bugs.

They mentioned still fleshing out the end sounds for beipi. But they also mention a lot of work on ambiance which could really be left alone for later.
People who have sound trouble are having issues with how far they hear things from and how loud some things are over others. Not so much that they want more wildlife background noise. I can get why somebody wouldn't want to half-work their animations. But sounds are much easier to swap later aren't they?
Then there's troodon. Troodon has been stated to be very nearly done but they're still figuring out some balancing. Somehow I doubt it's even possible to balance them all the way until they're in game. At least in the test servers which they have been in before so just do it some more.

Basically, they do a lot at once and I know not everything is done by everybody but it still feels like there's multitasking everywhere.

[Zeus14]

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

I tend to feel like they try to multitask too much. Particularly with future concepts while current things they are working on are not finished. And they're also perfectionists which is never good to mix with multitasking. That's how you get the testing testing testing but there's still bugs.

They mentioned still fleshing out the end sounds for beipi. But they also mention a lot of work on ambiance which could really be left alone for later.
People who have sound trouble are having issues with how far they hear things from and how loud some things are over others. Not so much that they want more wildlife background noise. I can get why somebody wouldn't want to half-work their animations. But sounds are much easier to swap later aren't they?
Then there's troodon. Troodon has been stated to be very nearly done but they're still figuring out some balancing. Somehow I doubt it's even possible to balance them all the way until they're in game. At least in the test servers which they have been in before so just do it some more.

Basically, they do a lot at once and I know not everything is done by everybody but it still feels like there's multitasking everywhere.

This 100%.

They seem to just jump around way too much. They do 30% of one animal, then totally leave it and then go to do 20% of another animal, then abandon that and go on to work on the map, then come back and redo the 30% finished part of the first dinosaur, then leave it again to work on gore models, Get them to 50% done then jump back to the other dinosaur and get that to 15% complete etc... so they have 100 different things in "active" development and by the time 4 months pass they don't actually have anything finished to show the fanbase. and the next 4 months they do the same thing. So i have no doubt they are always working and working hard, but just inefficiently so nothing gets done.

I obviously don't know every detail of development, but i have a feeling if they'd get a quality team lead to sit everybody down and lay out a step by step of how each animal or mechanic must be completed before going to other tasks, that they'd be able to drop new updates every 3 weeks to a month regularly. If the entire team sat down to finish just troodon it would probably be done in a month and a half. Or if they all sat down and did just gore etc... it would probably be done and completed in 3-4 months MAX. But as it is now they split into 16 different subjects and all work on their own thing and thus nothing is finished month by month.

I have been following their trello board and they have every dinosaur on there worked on, but at different stages. some 15% done, others 30%, others 50% etc... even if they aren't set to be released till update 9 or whatever. just seems like mismanagement of time.

[Rhibirr]

Originally posted by pestilence:

Originally posted by Brandoid:

Yes they did say that before. They had hopes that "clean code" would allow them to do whatever they wanted without breaking the game every time they wanted to update stuff etc, but that has turned out not to be the case. The game having a pretty small team so they cant just brute force the development is another factor.

Something else to keep in mind if youve ever seen their streams is they always have way more going on than whats in the live build of the game. It practically feels like they have twice the content of the live game including new map, dinos. mechanics, all at various stages of completion.

ah they shouldnt have made that promise ngl then. but what ever its worth the wait:)

Originally posted by pestilence:

Originally posted by JohnM81:

I haven noticed this and find it very frustrating. Why are they doing stuff that is slated for update 8+ when 6 isn't out yet. I feel like the team has bad leadership and aren't focused.

well there game is great and im excited for future updates:) but there devs suck ass in keeping there words.

Why did this person get banned when alongside their questions and criticism they said the game is worth the wait and that the game is great?

[Khanivore]

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

Why did this person get banned when alongside their questions and criticism they said the game is worth the wait and that the game is great?

Banning can be steam wide if he was inappropriate, he may have been banned from commenting in another game to start with

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

Originally posted by pestilence:

ah they shouldnt have made that promise ngl then. but what ever its worth the wait:)

Originally posted by pestilence:

well there game is great and im excited for future updates:) but there devs suck ass in keeping there words.

Why did this person get banned when alongside their questions and criticism they said the game is worth the wait and that the game is great?

Since their forum posts weren't removed it may be the case of a game ban. If either a dev or EAC caught them it wouldn't result in a VAC mark from what I can tell, but still a game ban. It may also be the case that EAC or a dev ban has to be approved by Valve before it becomes a VAC.

As for the faster updates comment, that was made alongside the comment "after the mechanics are in place". They aren't at the point where they can just churn out updates as not all the mechanics are in place yet, which is the bulk of the labor toward pushing out any major updates. There's also the current test phase and recent concepts that weren't on the table at the time before Evrima was released.

In short, things change and there was never a "promise" made, but rather a goal set who's parameters haven't been met yet. It's for this reason the devs usually follow any Discord forum comments outside the scope of what was announced with "this is not set in stone" due to the likely occurrence of some players taking anything the devs state as a "promise" and start ranting when the addition in question isn't released within their own presumably acceptable timeframe.

ATM the only promise on the table is that 6.0 will be released before the end of the year.

[Sir Víve]

at this point, they should start over again in UE 5.1

over time the graphics keep getting worse in this version of the game... I don't think the water has any screen space refection at this point either

nanite this bad boy up

[Knight0vvl]

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

Originally posted by Rhibirr:

Why did this person get banned when alongside their questions and criticism they said the game is worth the wait and that the game is great?

Since their forum posts weren't removed it may be the case of a game ban. If either a dev or EAC caught them it wouldn't result in a VAC mark from what I can tell, but still a game ban. It may also be the case that EAC or a dev ban has to be approved by Valve before it becomes a VAC.

As for the faster updates comment, that was made alongside the comment "after the mechanics are in place". They aren't at the point where they can just churn out updates as not all the mechanics are in place yet, which is the bulk of the labor toward pushing out any major updates. There's also the current test phase and recent concepts that weren't on the table at the time before Evrima was released.

In short, things change and there was never a "promise" made, but rather a goal set who's parameters haven't been met yet. It's for this reason the devs usually follow any Discord forum comments outside the scope of what was announced with "this is not set in stone" due to the likely occurrence of some players taking anything the devs state as a "promise" and start ranting when the addition in question isn't released within their own presumably acceptable timeframe.

ATM the only promise on the table is that 6.0 will be released before the end of the year.

there is always someone giving an excuse for painfully slow development of this game. they mismanage time and effort into multiple tasks none of which right now seem to focus on mechanics. by the time this game gets anywhere near finished the base of the game will be so out dated it'll need to be done again. Im tired of hearing about how mechanics need to be done before anything else can be finished quickly and here they are investing months and months on the human aspect that we wouldn't see for years at the current pace. stop adding human structures etc and fix the graphics and map, fix the really bad looking water, fix me hearing a deino from 8 miles away but cant hear a carno charging me at 50 yards. here they are working on gore and after years of development the rag doll mechanics and bodies not working is still a thing. i love the game spent many hundreds of hours on it. but im sick of 2 updates a year with no real content being added other than minor things that dont improve the game.

[Cutest Kenan (They/Them)]

Originally posted by pestilence:

Originally posted by JohnM81:

I haven noticed this and find it very frustrating. Why are they doing stuff that is slated for update 8+ when 6 isn't out yet. I feel like the team has bad leadership and aren't focused.

well there game is great and im excited for future updates:) but there devs suck ass in keeping there words.

Lmao did this dude get banned for saying the devs are bad at keeping their words

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the mod was lucky that the person was moderately mean so he could be banned and the thread brushed under the rug.

Anyways yeah, the devs have promised faster updates a few times, and initially with Evrima's initial release/before release stated two dinos every month.

[Anissa]

Originally posted by Cutest Kenan (They/Them):

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the mod was lucky that the person was moderately mean so he could be banned and the thread brushed under the rug.

Anyways yeah, the devs have promised faster updates a few times, and initially with Evrima's initial release/before release stated two dinos every month.

Nothing new with this game. As of December 1st, two days ago, this game has been in early access for 7 years. Can't really blame people for being irritated about wondering where their money went.

[Clunker]

Originally posted by pestilence:

title says all.

they''ve said that time an time again an just recently said AGAIN after U6 comes out it will be faster an easier to add playable but hey maybe THIS time they're not just lying right?