Herbi vs Carni

[CrackerJack]

As it stands, this game is being swamped by prepubescent children who want nothing more than the Alpha-Wolf role........... Carnivores. All they want is to get in and kill.... DeathMatch.... even in Survival.

There is literally no desire from anyone to want to be an Herbivore. I spent 6 hours to get to Adult Trike and I couldn't find a pack even on the most popular servers. It is rare to find a group of friendly's who just want to survive.

I won't play anymore until there is changes made that make people want to balance out the equation by playing HERBIVORE instead of a Carnivore. I mean really, this game is geared towards kids who have the insatiable appetite for killing and being number 1, the alpha wolf. The King.

Sorry...... This is a great game but ... it really is a turn off for the older folk who actually appreciate a bit of peace and teamwork.

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

Herbivores overall are honestly much more viable than the carnivores, only 1 herbivore is in desparate needs of buffs, that being pachy, para just needs some minor buffs up. Much more than the pretty unviable cerato and suchomimus.

The two top tiers that are slept on are maia and gallimimus, contrary to what dumb people say, gallimimus is way too easy, I know it's health is low, but it might as well have Pue health, that thing can run forever and has unbeatable agility, if you die as galli, you were probably AFKing or were logging, maia is mostly the same, just sacrificing speed and agility for insane bleed immunity and destroys utahs, dilos, and carno in some cases.

The sad reason why they aren't played is because of player choice being a big factor, people will naturally be much more inclined to play big scary things, even if they aren't as powerful.

A good step is to make a discord or join a discord with people and try to organize a herd on a server together, I was gonna do that with some friends, but yeah, there needs to be a way to solve the massive player interest in carnivores into herbivores.

[Sable]

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play on nycta, problem solved.

Never do that, Nycta is absolute cancer.

Nycta is annoying. Full of whiny children who cry "rule break" if you so much as 3 call them. It's worse than Risen. People only play it because it's Anthomnia's server.

[Pablo Croft]

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Herbivores are as much hostile as carnivores in this game. They have it easier since their food does not run away and most of the time theya re not killed by other herbivores.

This is true, and accurate, as well. If you get to close to a wild, rhino, or an elephant you'll get charged if they feel challenged. If a carnivore, and a bigger, or equal herbivore are at opposite sides of a watering hole, usually, herbivores will let it go if the carnivore is just there to drink, and doesn't need to eat- which results in the carnivore heading on their merry way.

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I figure there's 2 main types of players in this game:

a) The role players. This breed of player comes in 2 varieties. The hardcore, who tell devs when something isn't accurate, or true to life as it "was", and play their dinosaur according to every actual known behaviour, and seeking out their natural stopping grounds.

The second is a bit more relaxed. They know what a dinosaur is, and more or less act the part according to common knowledge. This means they don't mix-pack carnivores, but DO mix-pack herbivores, because this is how dinos act- in general. Carnivores hunt/kill to survive when hungry, and herbivores either run, or defend themselves when threatened, but they don't kill to feed hunger. Simple as that. All of this still applies to the hardcore bunches with "tweeked" results, too.

b) The MMO PVPers. This bunch says COOL a dinosaur! Let's kill! They have no issues with mixed packing carnivores, because it boils down to them checking stats, and mixing together a dream team of killing machines that would never really happen IRL. In survival mode, it's all about stats again, and playing with a bit more purpose than just killing outright. they're still thinking it's just PVP, but with the achievement feeling of achieving 100% growth, or making it through progression. There's also the growth stats. Enough said.


- And the 2 shall never intertwine! RPers, and MMO PVPers, of course.

[Cavmonster]

Dm me on discord (Cavmun). We have 20-40 active herbs on official 1 and 5-10 on u.s 2. We've been taking a stance on herbivore play style. Carnis have ambush speed with bleed attached to most and herbs as mentioned above have to stick near 4-5 viable spots around the map. Also if you're gonna bring up how diablo and trike have bleed but not argue that they're slower than everything else.. gtfo lol. As herbs we NEED to outnumber our predators/work together, as a predator try to pick people off and eat quickly, don't sit around for us to find you. We frequent around and make sure to tackle most apexes attempting to grow, the population of gigas/rexes never needs to be like EU1 with 80 rexes on it at any given time. Variety and more variables than a battle royal with 70% bone break is what we're trying to flesh out. I agree with most of this forum but most people who play carni want to feel safe and hardly ever vulnerable, doesn't winning most fights get dull? Having things to do is what makes this game fun, we typically fight carnis up until they're at 4th screen (well we can't let most rexes or gigas live). If you're a mid tier or smaller and get pushed away after 4th screen we'll let you off. But get banged up and try to trade your life for something amongst us? Ye we're gonna have to put ya down. Lol

Hmu fam and happy surviving.

[Why Watt]

Hehe bless you Cavmonster, your squad's bloody terrifying.

@Mr. Pebbles

But here's the thing - I am both. I enjoy both, and mingle with both. I just haven't found a TRUE realism server in a long ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time.

This semi-realism ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with turned off alt turn, global chat kiddies and other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is just unfun to me. I loved realism servers back in Progression, they were so much fun. But this crap we have now, wouldn't wipe my ass with it.

What gets worse is the playerbase in those, it's like a magnified version of the youtube comment's sections. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ christ. And the rules oh my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lord... Their all to protect their sensitive feelings.

Me, I loved the realism servers where the only rules were your profile. There wasn't hard-enforced crap like what is OK and not OK to hide in water. Rules were guidelines. How you are intended to act as a given playable. Trex wants to steal a body from something? It marches in like it owns the place, no need to roar to drive them off. If they stay near and don't budge, kill 'em. It was a lot of fun and was actual roleplaying. Not just an armada of rules to mold players into simulated AI. And in order to rise up the food chain you had to learn to play the rules of smaller dinosaurs. I loved the silly ♥♥♥♥ of courtship rituals or parents abandoning their young to predators to save themselves. It was fun and I miss it :(

So where does that leave me to get my kick? Playing the game as it is intended by the devs. I play on official servers where Tribals and Mercs are going to inevitably be a thing. I play on servers with metagames and factions and whatnot, and it's fun and enjoyable. I can have a blast doing this.
For me tho, I'm not about mixpacking carnivores, however I feel what a dinosaur should and shouldn't do is down to their gameplay, not rules. And I feel there needs to be changes TO GAMEPLAY to encourage players to take the safest possible route in situations instead of just deathmatching. Example, make HP regen ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, across the board. There, every injury impacts you substantially.

[Nayla]

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play on nycta, problem solved.

Never do that, Nycta is absolute cancer.

Whats so "special" about it?

[Gremling]

I prefer IGPs server. It has surprisingly low toxicity, maybe because it has little to no rules at all. The less people expect others respecting the rules (and they won't!) the less salt they feel.

I grew to dislike a lot of herbivore-mains, simply because they got a very strange mindset that goes down to: "carnis are bad! All carnis must die". So they run around and try to assassinate every carni they come across. Almost any big herbi-group I met had that goal, as herbi and as carni. I got in voice com with them twice and both groups were like "where the carnis at? Let's hunt them". Then they set off with an army of Maias and Trikes. What I also noticed about those groups, that they contain a lot of young folk too. It's not like kids play exclusively carnis.

I love to play Utah most of the time. Not because I want to play carni that bad, but because the group mentality is very simple and friendly. Most carnis in general don't hunt for toxicity but because survival. (Jerks are the exception) On IGPs server Utahs hunt Ais 95% of the time. Whenever theres a herbi group around, we try to make room for it, because they can stomp us flat. Maias love to hunt us even. Some bold Utahs try to go for their younglings or at least troll and annoy them, but those are the minority.
Bigger carnis are basically hungry every 2 steps on the way, so if they see a dino....ANY dino, they attack. Its for survival and nothing else. I don't get why they spend so much time in growing a Trex or Giga only to starve at the end, but if thats what gives them some enjoyment on the game, why not? Would hardly be survival if there is nothing to survive about. Herbis have their feeding bushes pretty widely spread all over the map - hunger isn't their biggest issue depending survival like it is for a lot of carnis. And a grown Trike has little problems to counter a grown Trex.
If you can't find any herbi groups, ask on the servers Discord. It's almost impossible to stumble over a group all by yourself - the map is huge enough. But as I said: try IGP for a change - you'll have no problems finding your herbi-groups there.

[Corporal Crunch]

There really isn't a difference between Herbs and Carnis. Firstly, Herbs tend to have faster shorter growth times, while Carnis don't. However, Carnis do much more damage, and a lot of them have more health than Herbs. Secondly, Herbs need bushes while Carnis need Herbs. And finally, only a few Herbs can ambush, or not none, I'm not sure. Then there's Carnis, which all of them can. If you really want to live a free, lack luster life, without giving a ♥♥♥♥ about anything, then play Dryo. You literally just run back and forth and yell. You're incredibly fast, and are very annoying. You could probably out run or juke out pretty much everything that tries to kill you. Hell, the only Carnis you have to worry about are Utahs and Carnos. But you could even escape both of these guys with ease, if you use you brain and think about their weaknesses and use them to your advantage. I mean, you could play as Rex and just walk forward and press M1, but is it really worth the wait?

[Khanivore]

Seeing the constant spam call for "Any Rex Group?", "Any Giga Group?", "Any Utah Group?" tells you whats going on, even in a 200 player server it's hard to get a Herb group going, there just isn't the variety of players out there, can be frustrating as playing as a herb is often best in a group but doesn't happen a lot of the time, herbs are viable but few players like them

[Cavmonster]

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Seeing the constant spam call for "Any Rex Group?", "Any Giga Group?", "Any Utah Group?" tells you whats going on, even in a 200 player server it's hard to get a Herb group going, there just isn't the variety of players out there, can be frustrating as playing as a herb is often best in a group but doesn't happen a lot of the time, herbs are viable but few players like them

Refer to my previous statement. Lmao. We have a screening process and we're not at the least eager for more recruits. This is me being generous and lending out a hand to 1-2 herb players who've been tossed into this mess of an ecosystem.

[Cavmonster]

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Hehe bless you Cavmonster, your squad's bloody terrifying.

@Mr. Pebbles

But here's the thing - I am both. I enjoy both, and mingle with both. I just haven't found a TRUE realism server in a long ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time.

And I feel there needs to be changes TO GAMEPLAY to encourage players to take the safest possible route in situations instead of just deathmatching. Example, make HP regen ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, across the board. There, every injury impacts you substantially.

Oh and I feel ya. RP servers with rewarding prizes or an engaged community would be super fun. Too bad all we can do is wait for more content to be released with more tools to enable easier moderation rather than hindering the playerbase. Honestly the apex difference between mid tiers is also disgusting but maybe after the whole combat, stam, bleed, etc. are in place 3-4 mid tiers could combat an apex.

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There really isn't a difference between Herbs and Carnis. Firstly, Herbs tend to have faster shorter growth times, while Carnis don't. However, Carnis do much more damage, and a lot of them have more health than Herbs. Secondly, Herbs need bushes while Carnis need Herbs. And finally, only a few Herbs can ambush, or not none, I'm not sure. Then there's Carnis, which all of them can. If you really want to live a free, lack luster life, without giving a ♥♥♥♥ about anything, then play Dryo. You literally just run back and forth and yell. You're incredibly fast, and are very annoying. You could probably out run or juke out pretty much everything that tries to kill you. Hell, the only Carnis you have to worry about are Utahs and Carnos. But you could even escape both of these guys with ease, if you use you brain and think about their weaknesses and use them to your advantage. I mean, you could play as Rex and just walk forward and press M1, but is it really worth the wait?

UNTRUE, herbis are not weak

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OP, don't listen to carni mains. Herbis are waaaaay better than preds. If you really hate preds, lets organize a group to find and kill them.

[Spursy]

dude there are loads of herbies packs lol and a trike can ♥♥♥♥ a rex up if u play well

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

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Never do that, Nycta is absolute cancer.

Whats so "special" about it?

Pay to win, you can open your wallet and pay the servers to get dinosaurs or get your dinosaur back if you died, and the admins who have played on it have done a lot of shady stuff, search up "Isla Nycta Admin Abuse" on youtube, one moderator explained the situation well though, the situation still looked pretty bad.