Stego and ponds Rant

[Headtaker]

I became a fully grown deinosuchus, and made my way to the pond where the herbis hangout,

The stegos literally come close to the water to taunt me and start a fight, they dont give a ♥♥♥♥, NERF Stego or buff deino's lunge this is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb,

Make the pond deep in all areas so herbis cant cheat and go to the shallow water source only.

[Tregrenos]

Stego counters Dieno like a few Utahs (or even 1 skilled one) counters Stego. There’s no need to nerf it as Dieno pretty much hard counters everything else in the game.

There was talk of a “struggle” option where the Dieno would have to actually try and pull the larger dinos into the water. If that system ever gets put in place I suspect all dinos would be able to be lunged and locked on to, but something the size if a Stego would end up pulling the Dieno outta the water if they tried.

Regardless, the most you should rightfully expect to hear is that this is a skill issue, you were baited and lost and to ultimately “ged gud”. No nerfs required as this was just straight up Darwinism teaching players unfamiliar with a dinos gameplay the ins and outs.

[Rinzler]

The problem comes from the mechanics of the game and the design of the map. there shouldn't be a shallow river or lake because the deino on the ground gets outrun by any dinosaur, its only opportunity is to catch prey at the water's edge. Another problem the deino should be able to hold his breath much longer and should be able to go a very long time without eating. Currently all of the deino's potential prey drink from the shallow waters, while the rest of the dinosaurs camp at the oasis causing a mixpack of all herbivores. A Deino should at worst immobilize a stego if he grabs it by the head (leaving it significant damage in order to don't give it the urge to fight), especially when you see the size of the head of a stego I don't think that he can do much once in the mouth of an 8 ton deino...

[Khanivore]

More lakes and ponds will be added in a later map update to make it more interesting for Dienos to secretly camp a spot and nest

As for most scenarios learning from your mistakes makes you a better player, the combat in this game can be quite skilled, but so are the tactics used to ambush, lure, and confuse opponents

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Dunno:

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

Stego counters Dieno like a few Utahs (or even 1 skilled one) counters Stego. There’s no need to nerf it as Dieno pretty much hard counters everything else in the game.

There was talk of a “struggle” option where the Dieno would have to actually try and pull the larger dinos into the water. If that system ever gets put in place I suspect all dinos would be able to be lunged and locked on to, but something the size if a Stego would end up pulling the Dieno outta the water if they tried.

Regardless, the most you should rightfully expect to hear is that this is a skill issue, you were baited and lost and to ultimately “ged gud”. No nerfs required as this was just straight up Darwinism teaching players unfamiliar with a dinos gameplay the ins and outs.

Right clicking does not make a utah player skilled. It's a completely broken mechanic that handholds unskilled utah players when they're not erping on top of a rock. They need floodlights because they can't track. They need numbers because they can't survive solo and are too scared to even try.

They complain endlessly about stego when all it takes is 4 pounces to nullify often 5 plus hours if growing. They rely on pounce because targeting the head is too difficult for them. They want right click to insta win. I have never heard so much whining in my life. Toddlers do less whining than utah players do on average.

You literally have had all the tools handed to you by Dindo personally and it's still too hard? What an effing joke. Yeah Tregoon it is so hard to pounce, dismount, get stam back and come back again....so hard. So much skill. 9000 IQ requirement. Stegos have been served up to raptor players on a silver platter. Does daddy dev really have to hand you all a fork and knife because you're too lazy to get one yourself? I swear half of you have lifetime vorehub subscriptions and are too busy doing the one handed hominid pastime to learn anything.

I’m unable to take you seriously to add any relevant commentary, feeling obligated only because this tangent followed a quote from me. On one hand it sounds like you’re trying to troll by trivializing a playstyle. On the other hand it sounds like you actually believe ♥♥♥♥’s supposed to come out the mouth. Genially at a loss for words here.

[justipudi]

Well, Dunno, while it's true that right clicking does not make a Utah skilled, pouncing isn't as broken as you may think. Sure, once you are latched you are latched. But you have to perfectly time the pounce and get off your target with enough stam to escape after. It takes skill and a portion of luck not to die if you attack anything larger than yourself.
Problem is that Utahs die from one streak of most animals (incl. Stun and following attacks). One mistake and you are dead. You cant just run in, bite a Stegos head and if you take a hit, well you take it and try again. No, you die. Other dinos are far more forgiving.
Also, laggs are a thing still.

How pouncing is at the moment it is okay I think. You can actually do something but aren't too powerful and kill a stego without effort. If they'd nerf Utahs more they would become slightly better Dryos, which would be pointless.

And if you still think "uTahS aRe tOo StroNk, nErV ThEm", then I suggest you try it out yourself ;)

[justipudi]

Longtime Stego player may not mean skilled. But I get that it can be quite difficult to keep the overview with multiple attackers and swing at the right time to hit a fast Utah.
This for sure is a thin line of balancing and may improve later. I personally don't have that much of experience with stegos so I maybe am wrong.

The brush Utahs off thing made the pounce useless as a whole. Just stand by a tree (which are btw everywhere) and no Utah will dare to touch you because you just turn and he is dead. I'm sorry but this isn't the solution.

I really recommend you to try out Utah gameplay by yourself (because of how you wrote I imply you didn't play much as Utah did you) and then you will see the ups and downs of it.

Btw thank you for your polite reply :)

[justipudi]

Then we probably just have differing opinions. That can happen from time to time :D

I will try what I can do to a Stego as a solo Utah next time I play as one.

Either way, have a good night and fun regardless of what you are going to play :)

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Dunno:

I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is devs trying to force players to play only their favorite dinos. Utahs can run circles around stego and can approach them from any angle. They also have a special v cam that not all other dinos have access to that gives them a wider range of sight. The changes were specifically implement to hard counter stegos because Doind is a scalie for utahs.

There was once a pregnant elephant killed by a bunch of yahoos who shoved a bundle of firecrackers up it's butt. I wouldn't be surprised if the devs put that in the game too for stegos because they hate them that much. They are obsessed with herbivores not being able to fight back.

They make it look like they can but put in dozens of exploitable weaknesses and pass to them off as bugs and they still try to gaslight and tell lies. It's obvious they're doing everything in their power to discourage people from playing them and they are still getting content creators to spread their rhetoric.

They are sick mentally deranged people who want to force people to waste their time and money strictly to feed into their fetishes. They make fun of furries but they themselves have rumors of pedo associations and that's the tip of the iceberg.

This isn't aimed at you. I'm beyond sick of it at this point but that's obvious. Anyway enjoy your playthroughs. Let me know how it goes. Just jump for the face and you'll get onto their side risk free. The devs killed any fun left to be had. They are anti fun. You are only allowed to enjoy the game if you play it like you have a lethal case of rabies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Lwa2A-3Tg&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxHzgsg-gI&t
You do know that's a herbivore they're playing, right? Not only designed from the ground up by this dev team, but intended as a direct counter to Utah no less.

[Shot'em]

Originally posted by Terrorsaur:

Originally posted by justipudi:

If they'd nerf Utahs more they would become slightly better Dryos, which would be pointless.

unless the stats changed significantly, with the exception of pounce, raptors have nearly identical stats to dryo already. same masses, same speeds, and same damage on primary attack. if not 100% the same, near enough for a difference to not matter.

i guess people are so used to only dealing with the fully pacifist AI dryo that existed before the diet update, they forget that dryo are surprisingly capable of self defense, especially when used by a skilled player.

i'm not great at all, but i cant even count the raptors and juvi carnos i've taken out as a dryo. then again, they probably were not expecting any kind of a fight-back in the first place.

You're very much mistaken here.

Utah weighs 450 kg, with a 55 damage bite, an alt-bite that does at least 60 damage since it 2-taps Dryos, pounce (which is very spicy), does bleed on all of its attacks, and runs for about a minute and a half.

Dryo meanwhile weighs 120 kg, with a 10 damage bite, no alt-bite, a fairly ♥♥♥♥♥♥ dodge ability, does no bleed whatsoever, and runs for about 2 minutes.

The only stat the two share is speed, which is 46.8 km/h.

[Rinzler]

another thing Deino gets thirsty too quickly on the ground, making any ambush out of the water nearly impossible