The Isle

The Isle

Normal.kid Aug 22, 2021 @ 8:02pm
How long do updates really take?
I have heard people saying it takes forever for them to update something and I don't know how long yet, so can someone give me a rough estimate of when the nest update comes out?
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Bear Aug 22, 2021 @ 9:11pm 
Like around 3-4 months
Eldrum Aug 22, 2021 @ 9:33pm 
Update 2 only took 2 months, but it wasn't as large in scope as Update 3 and apparently Update 4, and Update 4's new systems and extra mechanics. A rough time estimate of nesting... depends. We haven't heard much about what they intend to add (in terms of the details of how nesting will be added), but it's fairly complex. Stuff about hypsi having a special tree nest method (I can't confirm this but I heard it from one of the devs expressing interest in it and soft confirming it awhile ago), etc, etc could prove to add some extra time onto how long the update will take. If each dinosaur has a unique nesting method, then it might be comparable in time to Update 4's current time and Update 3. (4+ months)
Last edited by Eldrum; Aug 22, 2021 @ 9:37pm
Khanivore Aug 23, 2021 @ 12:57am 
Next update looks to be up within the next month or so based on Dev discord chats after they perform a stress test, if all goes well the update will follow very soon after
cianuro Aug 23, 2021 @ 5:56am 
The nests will be coming in update 5, so maybe it's December, being pretty optimistic.
Bracus Aug 23, 2021 @ 9:29am 
This is only one of the problems. The bigger one imo is that ppl keep loosing dinos, even with 5hr growth time and still no fix
Tregrenos Aug 23, 2021 @ 1:48pm 
Originally posted by Eldrum:
Update 2 only took 2 months, but it wasn't as large in scope as Update 3 and apparently Update 4, and Update 4's new systems and extra mechanics. A rough time estimate of nesting... depends. We haven't heard much about what they intend to add (in terms of the details of how nesting will be added), but it's fairly complex. Stuff about hypsi having a special tree nest method (I can't confirm this but I heard it from one of the devs expressing interest in it and soft confirming it awhile ago), etc, etc could prove to add some extra time onto how long the update will take. If each dinosaur has a unique nesting method, then it might be comparable in time to Update 4's current time and Update 3. (4+ months)
I wonder if Hypsi will have it's own unique mechanic in this regard or if their ability to climb trees is like the first draft of how the other climbing features will function?
Eldrum Aug 23, 2021 @ 8:02pm 
Originally posted by Tregrenos:
Originally posted by Eldrum:
Update 2 only took 2 months, but it wasn't as large in scope as Update 3 and apparently Update 4, and Update 4's new systems and extra mechanics. A rough time estimate of nesting... depends. We haven't heard much about what they intend to add (in terms of the details of how nesting will be added), but it's fairly complex. Stuff about hypsi having a special tree nest method (I can't confirm this but I heard it from one of the devs expressing interest in it and soft confirming it awhile ago), etc, etc could prove to add some extra time onto how long the update will take. If each dinosaur has a unique nesting method, then it might be comparable in time to Update 4's current time and Update 3. (4+ months)

I wonder if Hypsi will have it's own unique mechanic in this regard or if their ability to climb trees is like the first draft of how the other climbing features will function?

Yeah it would probably be added with a semi-universal climbing system they've spoken of before. Punchpacket said today that the species nesting differences would likely be added "in the future" (not particularly in regards to Update #5) so it might be Update #5, might be later (if later then I'd imagine it would be after herrera as they' ll have to add climbing for that creature) as they'd most definitely need climbing for the hypsi's speculated nest type.
Voyager Aug 24, 2021 @ 3:01am 
The Isle dev team is really small for such a complex 3d environment game. Patience is the key feature and when updates finaly arrive - we usualy getting further complications, bugs and other very annoying issues like optimization and such.

This game is only worth it if you put it like this : " play other games untill something new arrives for The Isle and perhaps it's going to be worth of your time ". I can't imagine anyone playing Evrima as their main daily game. Just dont do it to yourself.
MattWard Aug 24, 2021 @ 3:00pm 
Originally posted by Voyager:
The Isle dev team is really small for such a complex 3d environment game. Patience is the key feature and when updates finaly arrive - we usualy getting further complications, bugs and other very annoying issues like optimization and such.
No, they have quite the roster of devs, it's just that 3 of those devs are actually coders (one of which has or had brain cancer), making implementing features in a polished manner pretty difficult.
And instead of prioritizing hiring more coders, they're focused on hiring more and more artists, something that the dev team has plenty of already.
⭐Kuro⭐ Aug 28, 2021 @ 2:19am 
looking at the past it takes between 6 month and 1 year if we are lucky...
TrueAvarus Aug 28, 2021 @ 3:18am 
Originally posted by cianuro:
The nests will be coming in update 5, so maybe it's December, being pretty optimistic.
Optimistic is understatement
Puppet Pal Clem Aug 28, 2021 @ 9:14am 
Originally posted by ChaosSwarm:
tbh they dont take long but the devs can push it out when it is actually ready but they choose to string the community along for as long as possible then push the update when players start quiting
yea and since valve doesn't form a dedicated team to inspect EA developers and their game progress or provide some sort of standard that EA devs have to abide to. And people do legitimately put out scam games on steam like "The stomping Lands." Didn't one of the main developers for this game blew tons of money on donating to twitch and buying fancy cars instead of producing a decent game.

The whole point of making the game so hardcore and long ass growth time is to make it so you are never actually really playing the game, all you do in this game is worry about reaching adult stage, and then once you are adult all you do is worry about food every second since hunger bar goes down pretty damn quick compared to how long it took to achieve adult stage as apex predator or big herbivore.

If you think about it. Anyone can create a decent trailer or pay someone else to make them it, put it on steam EA, make tons of promises, pull in money and say "it's EA!" every time someone criticizes the game, and then run with the money once you pulled in enough to your own satisfaction. You don't even have to pay your employees and valve won't do anything.

When the stomping land ended and got removed from steam because it was a scam, valve offered no refunds, the dev put "thanks for the money bye bye" on his facebook, and his employees said they didn't pay them at all. Valve took zero action. Literally if you're decent at programming you should take advantage of valve's extremely relaxed policy towards EA devs. It's so advantageous that it will always be abused by people, and valve think it's ok. And your excuse to why you are working extremely slow? Just say EA and call it a day, or have your loyal fanboys come save the day.

So many games have come and gone, and the isle is struggling to separate itself from legacy version. All that's really changed over the years for the isle is. A new map all the time for EA because apparently they cant make up their mind about how many trees should be in a field or how pebbles should be in "this spot right here." And the graphics look slightly different... And then the constant recycling of dinosaurs and removing them. This is pretty much what you are paying for.

They have like 2 EAs going down. One of the EA is a strict quality assurance thing and then it goes to the players broken to call out the bugs to fix. It's just extra steps to be as slow as possible, to make as much money in EA as possible, and all failures will be excused because "EA." Why not just keep games in EA forever until steam removes it or not.
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Madkou Aug 28, 2021 @ 11:24am 
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There's also information down the right colomn!

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Romantise much? lol. :) This is clearly targeting younger, and impressionable players.

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- Update as often as you'd like. <---get out of jail free card?

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WHEN WILL THESE GAMES RELEASE?
Its up to the developer to determine when they are ready to 'release'. Some developers have a concrete deadline in mind, while others will get a better sense as the development of the game progresses. You should be aware that some teams will be unable to 'finish' their game. So you should only buy an Early Access game if you are excited about playing it in its current state.

If this IS the legally binding agreement they use to backup any legal action taken against value, or a developer, well, there you have it.

Most gamers will watch a streamer, or youtube vid and judge the project that way. Sometimes word of mouth, or all of the above. This is why EA devs love their content creators lol. Content creators are also in it for themselves too, and when the 2 marry, it's a match made in heaven lol. Even though, technically, the devs owe content creators nothing. AS I said, content creators are self-serving too. ;)

Sometimes, it'll take a while to hook a player this way. The internet is full of people who will give money away, and if they don't need to shell out much, it happens even easier, right? So, devs figure out what most people are willing to spend.

I agree 100%, EA projects need to be held under more scrutiny then they are. But, as always, there's enough people who don't do the necessary reserach into a dev team before investing that meager amount. It is a meager amount, after all?

So, the bottom line here is that some devs are in this to actually create a good game, while others can definitely abuse the system. Value's criteria for accepting anything into their fold is large in part due to the fact that they get a slice of the pie lol. It's just fact. Youtube, twitch, they're all the same. They're going to want to gather as many people as they can, and make it as easy as possible right? lol.

It isn't value we need to look at here. You want a source of information that doesn't have a finger in the pie.
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Normal.kid Aug 29, 2021 @ 11:05am 
oh my god I wasn't expecting a lot of replies. Thanks for the information!
Tregrenos Aug 29, 2021 @ 11:47am 
Originally posted by SharkyNoob321:
oh my god I wasn't expecting a lot of replies. Thanks for the information!
It’s probably best to look at it this way, the upcoming set of Updates feature mainly gameplay mechanics being added more than new dinos to play. This is because with the mechanics in place it will be easier to add new dinos. So, the later Updates that focus mainly on adding new dinos to the roster will be significantly faster than what we’ll be seeing with the next few mechanical Updates. The reason for this is that mechanics need to be built around the entirety of the current system while new dinos just need to be individually built around the existing mechanics.

Update 4 focuses on Diets and Fractures, the former being the largest undertaking The Isle has seen as it finally adds proper gameplay by extending the Survival aspect of the game to include a gameplay loop. Update 5 is adding Nesting, skin customization and toxins/venom, which will also be a significant update. With these in place development can begin on the Perks system. The Gore Update will be one of the last major mechanical Updates, focusing not only on the rot of food but also combat damage. From then on we should see the Updates focusing more on adding new dinos and expanding the utility of the Perks system.

There is also the climbing system, but such a thing would only effect a few dinos and we’ll be seeing the beginning of this system with the next update and the Pteras ability to cling to vertical surfaces.
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Date Posted: Aug 22, 2021 @ 8:02pm
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