Tail-whip

[Enkar]

After a few dozen hours playing this game something become very apparent very fast: this games desperatelly needs EVERY SINGLE DINOSAURE to have a tail-whip. This meta of tail-riding is obnoxious, frustrating, and completelly breaks realism. Tails are not for decoration, it is a powerfull weapon that you do not want to get close to.

[Enkar]

Цитата допису Malthus:

Well yea, but in EVRIMA at least, Tenontosaurus and Stegosaurus can defend their back, the first one with a strong kick and the second with its tail. Utah, Dryosaurus and Hypsi are too small for using it as a weapon.
Carnotaurus remain a mistery, at least to me. We'll see with next update.:lunar2019piginablanket:

Utah should very much be able to whip its tail and damage another utah, same for dryos, even though damage should decrease the bigger the enemy is.

Too small?! Mate utahs are human-sized, they could break your bones with a tail-whip. But let's see how something taco-sized handles tail-whiping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlews5z124o

Цитата допису GekkoGamer:

I don't think a tail is as powerful a weapon as you say, so no tail whipping, just turn in place

Why do you think so many dinosaures evolved tail weapons like the anky and stego? Tails are a dominant part in dinosaures defense. Some dinos could even break the sound barrier with their tail-whip. As for apex predators like the rex, they mainly attacked each other to the face, understandable when you have over a ton of flesh ready to crack your head open like a wallnut on the other side and smash you into the ground even if you manage to plant a bite. Whereas if a rex bite the head of another rex, this latter will have a lot of trouble counter-attacking now that his head is locked into another dino's jaws.

Tails are an amazing "safety feature" that lets you run away from danger while having a defensive weapon ready to be used on someone chasing you. I have not the slightest doubt that it was heavily used by dinosaures to evade their predators in the over-crowded environement they lived in.


If you play a renaissance-period naval game, you're going to have canons facing of both port and starboard, because that's how boat combat worked, their weaponry were to the sides (some had a few forward/back facing canons but that's not the point). Here it's the same, there's weapon at the front and at the back, not having the back-weapon is like having a man-o-war that only has canons on one side.

[MrGrimlock (SFM Sh*tposter)]

Tails are primarily used as a counterbalance to help support an animal's balance. Quadrupedal dinos like Stego, Anky and Cama are only capable of using theirs as weapons due to their center of gravity (esp. anky, given its low-to-the-ground build). If the likes of a Rex or Giga were to try tailwhipping, they may throw themselves off balance if done too hard and either fall down or twist their ankle.

On top of which, IF you actually manage to allow someone to tailride, you kinda deserve it. Might wanna practice handbraking (assuming Evrima dinos don't stop on a dime compared to legacy).

[Khanivore]

Цитата допису Enkar:

Tails are a dominant part in dinosaures defense. Some dinos could even break the sound barrier with their tail-whip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM&ab_channel=WarnerRecordsVault

[Jelly the Fish]

Цитата допису KingBee:

Цитата допису Enkar:

Tails are a dominant part in dinosaures defense. Some dinos could even break the sound barrier with their tail-whip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM&ab_channel=WarnerRecordsVault

A travel back in time eh?

[bigmoe808]

Цитата допису KingBee:

Цитата допису Enkar:

Tails are a dominant part in dinosaures defense. Some dinos could even break the sound barrier with their tail-whip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM&ab_channel=WarnerRecordsVault

Whoa, a dinosaur on a forum of a dinosaur game. Inception.

[Truly Meaningless]

"Give all the creatures a tailwhip"

Carnos tail is too stiff for that.

[Sable]

1) play on a server with Alt Turn

2) play Evrima (kinda the lesser option atm)

3) Theropods did not use their tails as a weapon. It's used to balance their front heavy bodies so that they don't fall flat on their face and die because their bones got shattered by their own weight.

You are correct in that the animals that did use their tails used them as lethal weapons.

You couldn't be more wrong in trying to compare a Utahraptor or a Dryosaurus to a monitor lizard.

First off, monitor lizards have elongated bodies that are low to the ground and spread out on four limbs. They don't need their tails to balance their weight.

While you're right that a lizard's tail is in fact a powerful weapon, despite their small size, you used them as quite possibly the absolute worse comparison to bipedal dinosaurs who are built in the opposite in just about every single way.

Your weapon as a carnivorous theropod is your mouth and your arms if you have them. You deal with things behind you by turning around and unleashing hell on their face.

If your playing on a server that has disabled the ability to turn around, get off that server and find one that doesn't deliberately break balance by turning off key combat mechanics.

Those servers will become non-existent anyway.

[NOVA_229]

well, if you want realism, the tails of almost all dinosaurs (especially therapods) had a very limited range of motion and would not have been capable of 'whiping'

[Nearchus]

Yeah, as others have mentioned, to my knowledge the tails of most dinosaurs would've been too stiff and unsuited for whipping. They were for balance not for... owie-ing other dinosaurs.

[Enkar]

Цитата допису The Weasel:

1) play on a server with Alt Turn

2) play Evrima (kinda the lesser option atm)

3) Theropods did not use their tails as a weapon. It's used to balance their front heavy bodies so that they don't fall flat on their face and die because their bones got shattered by their own weight.

You are correct in that the animals that did use their tails used them as lethal weapons.

You couldn't be more wrong in trying to compare a Utahraptor or a Dryosaurus to a monitor lizard.

First off, monitor lizards have elongated bodies that are low to the ground and spread out on four limbs. They don't need their tails to balance their weight.

While you're right that a lizard's tail is in fact a powerful weapon, despite their small size, you used them as quite possibly the absolute worse comparison to bipedal dinosaurs who are built in the opposite in just about every single way.

Your weapon as a carnivorous theropod is your mouth and your arms if you have them. You deal with things behind you by turning around and unleashing hell on their face.

If your playing on a server that has disabled the ability to turn around, get off that server and find one that doesn't deliberately break balance by turning off key combat mechanics.

Those servers will become non-existent anyway.

The protuberances on the vertebraes that prevent a wider range of motion, have about the same relative spacing in a monitor and in a rex. I fail to see how that would make for a tail too stiff to be swung, especially that a tail that stiff would be highly detrimental to agility in such a dense environement, evolution would have obviously favored more agile tails. On top of that, without actual soft tissues and tendons it's very hard to know the actual range of mobility of an articulation, as an hyperlax, i can very much attest of that fact. Now, maybe we diden't understood each-other, when i talk about "whipping" for a rex or a utah i'm not talking about the same motion that a whip or monitor lizard would do, nearly going full circle. Think more of a swing. They have muscles that go all along their body and tail, that is an awfull lot of lever effect to throw a powerfull blow that accelerate in an instant.

Of course that the tail is here for balance. Does it mean that it is its single purpose? i doubt it.

Sure, the monitor lizard is a bad example, but it's one of the rare creature that still has a tail muscular enough to use it defensivelly, and it does. The main difference is rather that it's a cold-blooded creature who uses its energy sparingly, which was most definitelly not the case of a dinosaure.

Now, if you think that a theropod woulden't react and swipe its tail at a creature bothering its rear i don't know what to tell you. If something tries to bite your leg, you're going to kick it. Same here. A dinosaure would have the same reaction and certainly had the necessary strength and agility for dealing a considerable blow to a creature of similar size. A tail is not a steel beam. (reminds me of a paleonthologist's paper that supposed that dinosaures walked with their tail upright to reduce angular momentum, the person behind that paper based his conclusion on the fact that it was harder to turn as a human when having stiff 4-5m wooden beams strapped to him horizontally. That "expert" clearly did not understand the dynamics at play in the movement of a tail)

But if you want another example of a strong-tailed predator who uses it for defense, just look at crocs and gators, which are known to use it to defend themselves when threatenned. And here, their range of motion is about as limited as the one of a dino.