Suchomimus hiding in the water "Bannable office on EU 1 Official server"

[Grimm Sleeper]

Suchomimus is at home in the water and thus lives near rivers, lakes, and wetlands. I was in game and there was an announcement that hiding in the water is a bannable office. given the description in the isle official wiki. Why would that be a rule for an amphibious animal? once fish are added won't they spend most of the time in the water anyway? I don't understand this rule for this animal.

[Why Watt]

The Wiki is community made and is no way official. Furthermore, Suchomimus isn't inherently amphibious - it exploits the water as a Grizzly does in a salmon run, but it isn't being given the same tools as Spinosaurus, Beipiaosaurus or Deinosuchus to truly thrive long-term in water. You are an angler, not a diver, basically.

Swimming is fine, staying under the water or attempting to die there is not. This goes for every animal and no exception is present, simply by virtue of how, in Legacy, you cannot eat a body that died in water.

In Evrima there will be no such rule simply because bodies can float and are moveable.

[The Ninja Scout]

Sitting under the water in legacy is a bug, an unintentional feature, due to the fact that it allows you to be pretty well hidden under the water without actually swimming and losing stamina.

Hiding underwater also exposes you to the risk of being killed in the water and having your body be unedible by the one who killed you, which is also another bug which is often abused by people to prevent people from eating them.

All of this said, due to the fact that these bugs will never be fixed in the legacy version of the game, the official servers have put up some rules to prevent people from exploiting these bugs, and people playing as suchomimus are no exception. If you are seen exploiting them as any dinosaur, you can be punished for it.

Also, there is no official isle wiki, anything that you might find in an "isle wiki" is not necessarily reliable / up-to-date information.

[Pablo Croft]

Don't forget the strange collision of tiny rocks that stop your dinosaur like it walked into an invisible break wall lol.

[Grimm Sleeper]

if swimming away is the defense for a suchomimus of course your going to die in the water especially with the bleed feature. you can't make a dino that gets bonuses for being in the water and expect them not to be in the water when they die, or even in general. That being said I look forward to the future versions as you work out these issues. especially when u add the deinosuchus since it is a hide in the water/ambush attacker dino.

[Pablo Croft]

Swimming away "is" a viable defence for a sucho (most times), but just don't do it while bleeding, unless you can say without a doubt that you won't die in the water -which most of us can't, at times.

[Why Watt]

Sucho's handle bleed damage very well, they just heal it super badly. I've survived being ambushed by a Trex while I was fleeing into water and even with a broken leg + bleeding + barely any health, I casually managed to swim to the other shore (thanks in no small part due to it being night and having not let go of W, therefore the BB slow swim didn't apply)

[Torvo]

Originally posted by Why Watt:

Sucho's handle bleed damage very well, they just heal it super badly. I've survived being ambushed by a Trex while I was fleeing into water and even with a broken leg + bleeding + barely any health, I casually managed to swim to the other shore (thanks in no small part due to it being night and having not let go of W, therefore the BB slow swim didn't apply)

So is it allowed on official to use the water as sucho to your advantage? For example ambushing prey while being hidden in the water? Or fleeing in the water as long you do not die in the water?

[Forcedge]

Originally posted by Why Watt:

The Wiki is community made and is no way official. Furthermore, Suchomimus isn't inherently amphibious - it exploits the water as a Grizzly does in a salmon run, but it isn't being given the same tools as Spinosaurus, Beipiaosaurus or Deinosuchus to truly thrive long-term in water. You are an angler, not a diver, basically.

Swimming is fine, staying under the water or attempting to die there is not. This goes for every animal and no exception is present, simply by virtue of how, in Legacy, you cannot eat a body that died in water.

In Evrima there will be no such rule simply because bodies can float and are moveable.

For a dino that literally get's a movement speed boost while swimming and less stamina use while swimming, this rule is pretty dumb. Of course a sucho can sit in the water and run into the water while being chased. That's the whole of point of increased movement speed in water. Who cares what the community-made wiki says? Movement speed increase in water and less stamina use in water were not attributes given to this dino by the "community-made wiki", they are core game mechanics created by the game developers. If sucho's aren't allowed to use water, remove attributes for this dino that give it advantages in water.

And people wonder why official servers are worthless.

[Why Watt]

Originally posted by Forcedge:

Originally posted by Why Watt:

The Wiki is community made and is no way official. Furthermore, Suchomimus isn't inherently amphibious - it exploits the water as a Grizzly does in a salmon run, but it isn't being given the same tools as Spinosaurus, Beipiaosaurus or Deinosuchus to truly thrive long-term in water. You are an angler, not a diver, basically.

Swimming is fine, staying under the water or attempting to die there is not. This goes for every animal and no exception is present, simply by virtue of how, in Legacy, you cannot eat a body that died in water.

In Evrima there will be no such rule simply because bodies can float and are moveable.

For a dino that literally get's a movement speed boost while swimming and less stamina use while swimming, this rule is pretty dumb. Of course a sucho can sit in the water and run into the water while being chased. That's the whole of point of increased movement speed in water. Who cares what the community-made wiki says? Movement speed increase in water and less stamina use in water were not attributes given to this dino by the "community-made wiki", they are core game mechanics created by the game developers. If sucho's aren't allowed to use water, remove attributes for this dino that give it advantages in water.

And people wonder why official servers are worthless.

Originally posted by Torvo:

Originally posted by Why Watt:

Sucho's handle bleed damage very well, they just heal it super badly. I've survived being ambushed by a Trex while I was fleeing into water and even with a broken leg + bleeding + barely any health, I casually managed to swim to the other shore (thanks in no small part due to it being night and having not let go of W, therefore the BB slow swim didn't apply)

So is it allowed on official to use the water as sucho to your advantage? For example ambushing prey while being hidden in the water? Or fleeing in the water as long you do not die in the water?

I literally said they can use whatever to swim away / escape danger and you can use it to hunt too. The ONLY thing you cannot do is rest in the water or die in the water. Anything beyond that is completely permissable.

But no, as you'd note, none of those properties pertain to sitting in water. They pertain to using it as a means of travel, escape and hunting. Not of sitting around afk. It doesn't take incredibly intellect to make the distinction - you are a jaguar / grizzly, NOT a crocodile.

Water is a friend for the Sucho, especially when you are a juvenile and move so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slow / how hatchling suchos move at sonic speed in water. Living near water and making the most of it are allowed. You just can't hide IN the water.

Say you are at Lazy river. You can hide on the islands or the tall ferns along the shoreline. You can slip into the water to escape danger or to pursue prey on the other shore / fight off foes with a numerical advantage (I've seen 1 Sucho kick the ass of 7 Allos who charged into the water at it, nobody died but the Sucho drove them back and was able to rest up on an island.)

You just can't go into the water to TRY and drown yourself, nor can you sit under the water via rest. You absolutely can use it to make a stealthy approach on prey.

[Pablo Croft]

@Torvo:

~ No underwater breath mechanic. Put simply, this provides an infinite cover system. In a game where stealth is important, and growing is a part of survival, you can imagine how unfair it is for any dinosaur (including sucho) to abuse this in order to grow, or stealth kill. The honour system doesn't work, neither, and you can't expect admins to police the amount of time a player can stay under water (in order to try and counterbalance things). It's too much to keep track of.

Suchomimus couldn't breathe in water. So, no amount of role play will excuse them from a much needed breath mechanic. Swimming on the surface of the water is role play accurate enough. They're a land dinosaur that swims well.

So, you can understand why ambushing people from the water isn't a good idea? Not without a breath mechanic, anyways. If you can hold your breath and do it? Fine. That isn't possible with the legacy system, though.

~ No body dragging. This means if a player dies in the water, you can't eat them. Some players jump into the water to die out of spite for losing in PVP. You lost, get over it, and be a good sport. They earned their meal (even if the fight wasn't in your favour).

So, the only solution was to create a rule that polices the lack of water mechanics. Don't die in water, don't grow in water, and no killing from underwater. A sucho "can" be seen swimming towards you, so they "do not" have complete cover while killing another player. This gives a player a chance to see it, and deal with it.

A sucho may have unique needs for surviving, and this "can" work against them at times, but when played right, they can also use those same advantages, as Why Watt pointed out. :)


Take this information and decide how to survive on land:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/376210/discussions/14/1743388044210226484/

Skip to the bottom of the post to see the information you'll find handy.

TL;DR: (concerning 1 v 1 threats to you playing a suchomimus in survival mode on officials)

~ Stay away from an ambushing rex, or giga. Otherwise, you need not worry about them.

~ A trike? Not on their best day. :) No worries. The only real trouble sucho's have is growing up, but once you get there, you're fine.