Fix giga's trot speed

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Its broken looking at how fast it goes, invalidating 2 species which are diablo and sucho who can't escape it. All it has to do is hold Q and follow that golden trail, its already the 2nd strongest dino in survival at least give it some drawback.

[Why Watt]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Valentini:

Have you seen how fast Rex is? Nerf that first

Except Tyrannosaurus can only move quickly for 36 seconds and is easily evaded due to atrocious agility, and after this ends it has a SLOW trot speed and must sit down to recuperate stamina.

Giganotosaurus is slower in sprint and ambush, however, it maintains said speed for roughly 50 seconds, then transitions into an ultimate tracker with a trot speed that is close to the sprint speed of Triceratops. It recovers stamina while it tracks you down, allowing it to keep trying to ambush you over a prolonged hunt as it tracks you down and gains ground.

Now...

While Giga's trot speed is intense, this is intentional by design. Giga is fundamentally meant to play differently than Trex is. One is a threat that either fails the hunt outright but has a much greater shot at succeeding in one go - Trex fails to attack something and it has failed the hunt, it must rest to be able to hunt again. Giga? Giga just tracks things down, he plays for the long game.

Diabloceratops is NOT invalidated by Giganotosaurus; as it keeps tracking you, you can just sit down to rest and regain tremendous amounts of stamina quickly. So I highly disagree with the OP's assessment in this regard. I've seen so many Diablos of late it's not even funny. HUGE herds of them killing foolish solo Rexes. Diablos are thriving with their speed buff.

Suchomimus is, however, mostly invalidated by Giganotosaurus but not because of this trot speed... But because of Sucho's inherent dependence on staying near water. Sucho spends 4hrs growing into a dinosaur that can take on several Allosaurus and match them, that's great and all, but slap an extra 2hrs and you have the monster that is Giga who can move across the map, looking for action and going after it's prey. Sucho is just... very, very slow. It's barely faster than Giga in a base sprint, and while it has plenty more stamina, it's regen is ATROCIOUS and it has a pathetic trot speed that looks broken it's so slow, and oh god, the crouch is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous. Hell, it isn't even safe in the water; it used to sink which gave it stealth, but now Apexes can leisurely ambush into the water to kill it. And due to it's ineptitude to cross over stretches of land from one source of water to another...

Sucho's unviable regardless of Giga's trot speed. Gigas are not even that common. Allos and Rexes are much more abundant, and Sucho can either overpower or escape these with ease. Sure a Giga does most certainly cuck a Sucho if it begins tracking it. I'm not saying it doesn't. But Sucho is not invalidated by Giga's trot. Gigas are not common enough for that to be the case.

[Why Watt]

Yes Nice, I've learned that in raw combat prowess Trike is not exactly at a disadvantage against Giga... However stating which is most powerful isn't relevant to this thread, it's about which has the most impact on their environment, and Trike well... aside from Juvi Trikes and Sub Trikes being snaccs... has basically no impact whatsoever.

Giga and Trex do have substantial impacts.

Now, your case of being tracked over a long-time can occur but it is not nearly as bad as it was, and Diablo certainly is not invalidated by Giga's ability to pursue it.

[Scanova the Carnotaurus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Why Watt:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Valentini:

Have you seen how fast Rex is? Nerf that first

Diabloceratops is NOT invalidated by Giganotosaurus; as it keeps tracking you, you can just sit down to rest and regain tremendous amounts of stamina quickly. So I highly disagree with the OP's assessment in this regard. I've seen so many Diablos of late it's not even funny. HUGE herds of them killing foolish solo Rexes. Diablos are thriving with their speed buff.

I was not aware of this and, upon testing it myself, you are actually correct. Thank you for making me aware of this.

[Sable]

I feel like fishers in general are gonna have it rough, not just Sucho. When fish is implemented, it'll erase the problem of finding enough food, but that's about it.

The maps need more lakes, bigger with islands in the center, like they did with one of the Twins on V3. That island is pretty much the only place where Sucho is safe from being ambushed, but is still f**ked if there's more than one Giga or Rex. One can swim and push it off the island, while the other waits for the fleeing Sucho at shore.

The only thing I can think that would make any fisher stand a chance in hell is to Nerf the swim speed/stamina of any non-aquatic, which, if you think about it, non-aquatics don't really need to swim anyway.

So Giga's trot speed isn't so much the issue, more of the Sucho just not being able to rely on water as an actual refuge.

[EdvonSchleck]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Scanova the Carnotaurus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Why Watt:

Diabloceratops is NOT invalidated by Giganotosaurus; as it keeps tracking you, you can just sit down to rest and regain tremendous amounts of stamina quickly. So I highly disagree with the OP's assessment in this regard. I've seen so many Diablos of late it's not even funny. HUGE herds of them killing foolish solo Rexes. Diablos are thriving with their speed buff.

I was not aware of this and, upon testing it myself, you are actually correct. Thank you for making me aware of this.

I was also assuming that those rumors were true. But I've played Diablo a lot over the past weeks and I am positively surprised. So much that it became a new favourite of mine. Sprint and stam regen is absolutely amazing. Giga needs to count on you getting stuck somewhere to close in on you. Without a healthy dose of tenacity and patience he will never catch up. So far out of the good dozen Gigas that tried to eat me, none of them had the patience to pursue me for more than a few minutes. Diablo is a champ. You can outrun any solo creature that poses an actual threat. Everything else you give a run for their money. It's probably one of the most well rounded creatures in the game right now.

[Chad Thundercock]

"Let's remove the only redeeming quality of giga"

[Why Watt]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sexual Intellectual:

"Let's remove the only redeeming quality of giga"

The movie.