This game requires tactics and skill

[HuEVA]

If you keep dying and can't make it to adult, it is because to put it simply, you have not played enough and gained enough skill to survive. You are welcome to disagree with me, and quite frankly, when you have over 600 hours play time, I will consider listening.

If you want to 'git gut', read below and I will explain to you explicitly what to do.

1) Play as a Gali or Dryo
You need to learn the map, and you need to learn to evade attack. Gali is fast and can run from one end of the map to the other in a few mins. It allows you to learn the map and important areas. Nothing can catch you apart from Carno, or ambush Utah. You will learn quickly how to avoid confrontation.

Dryo on the other hand is the master at hiding and avoiding attack. You will learn how to run circles around your prey and this is important for PVP. Or surviving it at the very least.

2) Play as Para, Mia (and Dibble).
These hunks of meat are literally walking buffets when I see them. However, if you understand how they play, you can learn where to find them, how they hide and bottom line, how to hunt more effectively. Actually seeing a good Para Player is a rarity, you ever thought why?

3) Play as Utah, Dilo.
These animals are fundementaly pack hunters. If you are new to the isle or new to PVP, you are best off trying to survive as a Utah or Dilo. They ultimately are social and hunt in packs which increase your survival chances, especially if you are learning how to hunt correctly. Don't expect anyone to teach you however, you need to learn how to control your animal.

4) Carno, allo, cerato sucho.
You can effectivly solo most things with one of these. They all handle fairly similarly with variations of speed damage and bleed. Understanding how they all differ is very important. It teaches you when to run and when to fight. If you can survive for a few days as a solo mid ter, you are ready to try apex, particularly if you have understood the dinos in other steps.

5) Giga, Trike and Rex.
This is hard mode. Ofcourse, you could join a pack and roam the map chomping on left overs, but wouldn't you rather be able to survive without an entourage. Everything wants you dead, so your ability to sneak and evade is vital, particularly while young. Even your own species (as carni) will eat you.
When you are grown, you need to be able to fight, hunt and defend yourself.

If you just started the game, you are asking for trouble if you skip right to '5)'. Learn the game, enjoy the journey. I promise you wont be dissapointed.

[Człowiek Woda]

5) is only about the number of friends you can get into a fight. Almost no skill is needed vs other apex since you get gangbanged 90% of the time.

[Sasori Kigaru]

I have played very little of the game but understand the mechanics enough to survive. I've grown a rex, and a Giga on different servers and made it to adulthood. All you have to do is find a really good location and sit around really. Food spawns near you via AI, and as long as your water source isn't popular you won't get attacked. If you run into people though just hide unless adult and confident

[Sargon The Grape]

引用自 HuEVA：

when you have over 600 hours play time, I will consider listening.

Well I have over 700 hours of play, and I think you're a poopyhead.

Seriously, though, what you said is good advice. People need to quit skipping to the biggest dinosaurs and complaining when it makes the game hard.

[Erook D Weeb]

"This game requires mechanics and development" Should be the title of this discussion.
There's alot of luck and RNG in this game so far, whether it's the Bone break mechanic, encountering a bigger carnivore even though you are a stealth master because you look in a direction for too long, as well as other factors...

For the most part it is a value of stats that wins an encounter, not tactics or skill, (Partially because of Alt-Turn, yes im that guy, but soon i will have 3.000 hours in this game, and i've been here long enough to deduce that times without alt-turn were much better and more skill based for a dozen of reasons which i can list if you want)

There just isn't enough in the game yet, but i have high hopes, i love this game and i cant imagine myself abandoning it anytime soon.

[Scanova the Carnotaurus]

While I do agree that the game is largely based on skill, the game does hiccup in a few ways.

1-Balance issues (Sucho, Diablo, and Trike are somewhat underpowered compared to the rest of the dinosaur roster right now for example)
2-Things get really finnicy as immature individuals. As a sub giga for example, there's little you can do if ur found by an adult mid-tier or adult giga that wants your booty. Not exactly a gameplay or balance issue, but there really is not skill involved in whether or not a scenario like this happens or you survive it. It's just a matter of luck at that point.

[Powerferret]

引用自 Sargon The Grape：

Seriously, though, what you said is good advice. People need to quit skipping to the biggest dinosaurs and complaining when it makes the game hard.

This was actually the biggest benefit of progression. You had to learn to survive as smaller things before you could get to apex. Unless you just afk in a bush, in which case you learn nothing.

[Scanova the Carnotaurus]

引用自 ttv.Erook：

Partially because of Alt-Turn, yes im that guy, but soon i will have 3.000 hours in this game, and i've been here long enough to deduce that times without alt-turn were much better and more skill based for a dozen of reasons which i can list if you want

There's like dozens of videos involving dinosaurs like carnotaurus and austroraptor being S Tier because they can just assride and kill everything with impunity. Have nearly 700 hours and have been here since Day 1. Can testify that, without alt-turn, it simply isn't balanced because the devs never intending to balance combat around non-alt turn. I'd say no alt turn would be fine if it was balanced without alt-turn, but it isn't.

[Sasori Kigaru]

引用自 powerferret：

引用自 Sargon The Grape：

Seriously, though, what you said is good advice. People need to quit skipping to the biggest dinosaurs and complaining when it makes the game hard.

This was actually the biggest benefit of progression. You had to learn to survive as smaller things before you could get to apex. Unless you just afk in a bush, in which case you learn nothing.

Kinda though but I like survival better. Survival lets the people who already know how to be something, be that something and still allows newer players to learn by playing something smaller. Granted they can learn by playing as Apexes too albeit it'll be harder, but they'll still learn.

[Gladestav]

Whenever i see a streamer or youtuber play this game they always choose trike or rex and complain, this takes so long, this is boring.. well yes it is that's why you dont choose these right off the bat other wise you will hate the game and quit like a lot of people do. they really should seperate tiers into a list kinda how they have the herb list and carni list. but a tier list will tell people what takes longer and what is on each level of the food chain. they really need info next to each animal in the select screen to help new players understand what they should do. tell people in the description;

Sucho:
-tanky but lower bite force
-fast swim speed
-fisher
-run speed
-suggested prey items
-likely predators
-time to grow

Trex:
-strongest bite force
-no stam regen while moving
-speed
-prey items
-rival predators
-time to GROW
-falling is dangerous

Dryo:
-Bottom of food chain
-fast and nimble
-speed
-has many predators
-can burrow
-can jump

these are just a few suggestions. this game needs a little more user interface and friendliness to new players. All the information in this game is statistical but does not help people understand the game. It would be a good idea to list what each dinosaurs damage against an adult of a species is as well so people can understand Damage and HP better.

[Zebrafreedom]

1) 100 percent agree. Also could play maia, now it is speedy,have good trot.
2) not agree. Can try dibbie and para later when you understand how to avoid carnis, there are a lot of them, and herbs are rare. If you will try them before have some expierence it will be dissapointment.
At step 2 i would recommend dilo and cera. Both have strong and fast juvies, have strong subs. Cera dont need much food until sub, dilo can hunt at night.
You can learn predator basics, how ai spawn, how to fight similar sized enemies.
3) i found it is quiet complicated to find a party. But if you find one -any dino will be good.
I would say the time for allo and carno. Both are good for long time survival,both have quiet weak juvies.
With that dinos you can try to kill paras or apex subs.
Also can try rex. It has good juvi and sub, fast and strong, the most difficult part of survival is adulthood.
After 3.7 hours to grow it has similar strength as adult allo with 3 hours.
4) you have good expierence and want to try something special. Then you can try niche dinos or can go any of the apex.
Utah. If solo utah not as easy to grow. Juvies and subs die in a half an hour without food. Adult utah not starving that much, is easy to survive, but if you want to kill bigger dino you need good skill.
Dibbie and para. Can try them, check your skill of survival on the server full of carnis.
Sucho is strange slow dino with good swimming abilities.
5) want to feel yourself as in dark souls? Play a solo trike, even if you are full grown any apex will eat you for dinner.

[HuEVA]

引用自 Zebrafreedom：

5) want to feel yourself as in dark souls? Play a solo trike, even if you are full grown any apex will eat you for dinner.

Athousand times this. Trike is harder than rex or giga. Particularly solo. Until adult you are weak comparibly. And as Adult, all it takes is rex broken leg.

[Gladestav]

引用自 Zebrafreedom：

1) 100 percent agree. Also could play maia, now it is speedy,have good trot.
2) not agree. Can try dibbie and para later when you understand how to avoid carnis, there are a lot of them, and herbs are rare. If you will try them before have some expierence it will be dissapointment.
At step 2 i would recommend dilo and cera. Both have strong and fast juvies, have strong subs. Cera dont need much food until sub, dilo can hunt at night.
You can learn predator basics, how ai spawn, how to fight similar sized enemies.
3) i found it is quiet complicated to find a party. But if you find one -any dino will be good.
I would say the time for allo and carno. Both are good for long time survival,both have quiet weak juvies.
With that dinos you can try to kill paras or apex subs.
Also can try rex. It has good juvi and sub, fast and strong, the most difficult part of survival is adulthood.
After 3.7 hours to grow it has similar strength as adult allo with 3 hours.
4) you have good expierence and want to try something special. Then you can try niche dinos or can go any of the apex.
Utah. If solo utah not as easy to grow. Juvies and subs die in a half an hour without food. Adult utah not starving that much, is easy to survive, but if you want to kill bigger dino you need good skill.
Dibbie and para. Can try them, check your skill of survival on the server full of carnis.
Sucho is strange slow dino with good swimming abilities.
5) want to feel yourself as in dark souls? Play a solo trike, even if you are full grown any apex will eat you for dinner.

ya know trike being like dark souls is not far off, always wondered why they don't make trike actually slightly stronger than trex. make it not run long with a slower trot but fast stamina regen rate. make is so trike can only gain stam when walking or laying down, not trotting or running. that will make trikes have to slow down and make them have to charge. make its run decently fast but not last long just so it can charge. a stam regen window would make it vulnerable for a short time, long enough to get blind sighted. its game play would be to hold its ground then charge, stop then get ready to charge again. it would be a skill time based strategy. and engaging instead of flop around.

also lower its turn radius so 1v1 it stands a good chance but 1v2 rex's it gets scarier. it would work perfectly. decent trot to roam but not to murder the world. long growth to warrant its play style. strong enough where a rex actually has to ambush instead of drr dr drr face slap it. if a rex can break trikes leg than why have trike be weaker????

I would also like to add that trikes juvie and sub would have to be altered. they should be far faster than their adult form with more stamina. they are lighter and therefore more nimble than a fully muscled adult.

how many Disadvantages does the dino spike wall need? my conclusion is trike needs to be stronger than rex in some way, either life, damage or both. there's a reason carnivores are careful when hunting. herbivores are naturally stronger than predators most of the time. predators are just smarter and cunning.

I know people will say, but its already stronger than the other predators in the game. yes, yes it is and it should be. trike is from the cretaceous period where every dinosaur was at its last cycle of their evolutionary advantage. they were bigger and stronger. an allosaur, cerato and carno would never mess with an adult trike. EVER i would imagine. their hide was probly too thick for most creatures to even scratch with its armored pebble like scales. personally this game would work better if it was separated by time periods. it would be far easier to balance.

[Erook D Weeb]

引用自 Scanova the Carnotaurus：

引用自 ttv.Erook：

Partially because of Alt-Turn, yes im that guy, but soon i will have 3.000 hours in this game, and i've been here long enough to deduce that times without alt-turn were much better and more skill based for a dozen of reasons which i can list if you want

There's like dozens of videos involving dinosaurs like carnotaurus and austroraptor being S Tier because they can just assride and kill everything with impunity. Have nearly 700 hours and have been here since Day 1. Can testify that, without alt-turn, it simply isn't balanced because the devs never intending to balance combat around non-alt turn. I'd say no alt turn would be fine if it was balanced without alt-turn, but it isn't.

Usually to counter that you either 1. Run into forests, get them stuck eventually on a rock. 2. Outsmart them in turning, turn left and right untill they are off. 3. Depending on the dinosaur, gain distance by Ambush running, or 4. Run and suddenly stop. You can combine some of those to get off a small bugger from your ass, another thing is collisions, trample and locational damage, those things would make it that Utahs and Dilos would never be a nuisance towards a Rex or Giga..

I also think that Dinosaurs being able to move backwards at a slow rate should be a thing, simply to get off an attacker, or go against a rock or trees and walk back against a hard surface where they cant ass bite you..

I also made a suggestion couple weeks ago, where when dinosaurs attack, they are slowing down to a walk/trot, for just over 1 sec... that would make combat more interesting, and prevent small dinos from ass bitting, even Cerato ass biting Allo. If it bites once or twice, Allo got enough distance to turn, so Cerato has to hit and run and make the fight more versatile.

[Turbulence]

This game is easy. All you have to do to survive as a noobie is stay away from other players and eat bushes/NPCs (walking bushes). Granted I only have 40 hours in the game so maybe I'm not experienced enough to see how challenging it is.

[Ghost of Razgriz]

#2 doesn't sound right. Walking buffets? That depends on what you're playing as. Dibble can do very well against packs of utahs and dilos (Personal experience. I fended off a pack of eleven utahs once, killed five, by just having my back to a large boulder). Mid tier carnis can be a threat, if they're in a group. Carnos fold easily under the bleed, Ceras can face tank if there are two to switch off, same with allos. Apex, sure, you're done for if they catch you, but you can outdistance them.

As a Maia, you don't need to fight. You can outrun almost anything out there, aside from a carno, and certainly outdistance them.

And the Para? You can flatten everything mid tier and below 1v1. You can outdistance them as well, save for utahs.

The comment about not seeing many paras is just player preference. Carnivore players outnumber herbi players by a wide margin, because it can be more rewarding. And certainly more active.