Carnotaurus - Let's Talk About This

[FisheyCakes]

Carnotaurus is nuts. I could end it there and be weird or whatever but I want this to be a discussion, so I'm going to present a novel concept to the internet. I'm going to make a reasonable argument and then leave it open to hear what other people have to say on the matter. Incredible, I know.

So enough beating around the bush, carnotaurus right now is incredibly powerful. From my own experience, any carno with two and a half brain cells can very comfortably take on any dinosaur that can't one shot it. This is a big problem, for a few reasons. I could go into detail about how "Oh carnotaurus shouldn't realistically be doing that"(Because it shouldn't) but I know that Dondi does not care about historical accuracy in this game, so I'll go at it from a gameplay perspective. I won't pretend to know stats, but I believe the carno is the second fastest predator in the game, behind only utahraptor, and is only slower than a gallimimus as far as herbivores are concerned. In order to be balanced, a dinosaur this fast has to be abusing a weight advantage over smaller targets to grief weaker players, such as dilos or pachys, which they can do right now. The problem is, their bite force, bleed, and weight are also more or less in line with other medium-sized carnivores. On top of this, because of how effective their hit and run hunting style is, their mediocre at best turn radius is hardly a problem, as they can simply run laps around you and bite when you're left exposed. The main problem with the carno is that he can facetank to trade a life for a life with other mid-sized carnivores, but also has a monstrous speed advantage over their competition, and so by design, it can easily take on dinosaurs that have a very high stat total compared to the carno.

Now, this is really my opinion, but I think it's one that makes at least a little sense. This isn't really made to complain about carnos, hell I'll keep abusing them unless they get nerfed, but I would really like to hear what other people have to say about this topic.

[TyranntX]

There's a lot Dondi doesn't care about, he even went out to say that KOSing isn't an issue (which it is but let's not start that here). Let's just remember that He is a man of brutal, jaded, and exaggerated sarcasm. Yeah the Carno has problems, but it also has it's fair share of weaknesses, such as it's poor turn radius. I do agree it could use a nerf, but that's simply because much of the core features of the game (Such as the Dilo's venom and the Sucho's fishing) aren't in the game yet. I say weaken the bite but keep the bleed, maybe have a stam nerf too

[Zebrafreedom]

Carno is faster then galli.
As for me adult carno balance is ok between dilos,allos and apexes. The problem is herbivores besides druo,gali and trike are not good.

What need nerf for carno, is that he grows faster then utah, need no water and just one ai to grow up to sub. Before juvs was slow, that was the compensation. Now they are the fastest.
As for me growing time for carno should be increased a little, and thats it.
But after bleed changing(it will no kill) carnos will be much better,cause they can escape from anyone just with one hp, and they could chase anyone themselves.

[NaughtyWookie]

Carno is killed by Utah. End stop.
Any PLAYER with 2 brain cells can wreak havoc.
Bleed is being revised.
Pls stop being bad.

[Ghost of Razgriz]

Originally posted by TyranntX:

There's a lot Dondi doesn't care about, he even went out to say that KOSing isn't an issue (which it is but let's not start that here). Let's just remember that He is a man of brutal, jaded, and exaggerated sarcasm. Yeah the Carno has problems, but it also has it's fair share of weaknesses, such as it's poor turn radius. I do agree it could use a nerf, but that's simply because much of the core features of the game (Such as the Dilo's venom and the Sucho's fishing) aren't in the game yet. I say weaken the bite but keep the bleed, maybe have a stam nerf too

Forgive me for going a bit off topic, but this has me intrigued. Dilo's are getting venom? I don't think I've heard that before. Is that supposed to replace their bleed?

As to OP, Carno has issues, no doubt. The good news, at least I see it this way, is that a variety of carnivores were nerfed/buffed recently. Maybe one for the carno is in the works as well.

[Zebrafreedom]

Originally posted by pilgrim:

Carno is killed by Utah. End stop.
Any PLAYER with 2 brain cells can wreak havoc.
Bleed is being revised.
Pls stop being bad.

Why not? They have similar growth time.

[COL PRIME TIME]

Carnos have honest to god never killed me outside of juvie, so I haven't noticed a imbalance.
When the bleed thing comes in it'll be brought back in line tho, just wait.

[Whiteshark01]

Originally posted by Ghost of Razgriz:

Originally posted by TyranntX:

There's a lot Dondi doesn't care about, he even went out to say that KOSing isn't an issue (which it is but let's not start that here). Let's just remember that He is a man of brutal, jaded, and exaggerated sarcasm. Yeah the Carno has problems, but it also has it's fair share of weaknesses, such as it's poor turn radius. I do agree it could use a nerf, but that's simply because much of the core features of the game (Such as the Dilo's venom and the Sucho's fishing) aren't in the game yet. I say weaken the bite but keep the bleed, maybe have a stam nerf too

Forgive me for going a bit off topic, but this has me intrigued. Dilo's are getting venom? I don't think I've heard that before. Is that supposed to replace their bleed?

As to OP, Carno has issues, no doubt. The good news, at least I see it this way, is that a variety of carnivores were nerfed/buffed recently. Maybe one for the carno is in the works as well.

I remember ages ago talk was happening around Dilos having an anti-coagulant in their saliva which explains their ridiculous bleed damage. Idk if it's still a thing. But it may get added in the combat rework coming up

[Miss𝓧Green]

Carno doesn't feel bad to me, you can juke it if ya have more then one brain cell to not run in a straight line, they can be killed by Utahs and Dilos if its outnumbered and kept moving. (Seen it happen.) and it can and will die to Allos and Suchos if caught off gaurd.

Ya a good Carno player might not ever die if his that good but its a lot of picking and choosing your battles, best way to combat them is not to be out in the open and if spotted run into the forest area so they can get stuck on rocks and trees for a faster escape.

[FisheyCakes]

Originally posted by pilgrim:

Carno is killed by Utah. End stop.
Any PLAYER with 2 brain cells can wreak havoc.
Bleed is being revised.
Pls stop being bad.

I mean it’s a valid opinion but could you at least be a little more polite man

[Ulfkarl]

utah faster than carno? lol you are crazy, carno is the fastest dinosaur in the game

[COL PRIME TIME]

Originally posted by ⨁ UlfKarl ⨁:

utah faster than carno? lol you are crazy, carno is the fastest dinosaur in the game

Utah catches carnos with ambush, I'm pretty sure that is what he's talking about.

[Plonker]

Here's how you evade a Carno. Turn left, or right. Done.

[Baleur]

Originally posted by ⨁ UlfKarl ⨁:

utah faster than carno? lol you are crazy, carno is the fastest dinosaur in the game

Utahs are faster than Carnos unless the Carno is at 1.0 adult growth.
And yeah, adult Carno is faster than Utah by 1km/h.... Great.
One single tree the carno gotta turn to dodge, the Utah will catch him.
Also, a utah can JUMP, a carno can't. Just jump on a rock, done. Invincible.

Speed ALSO scales with growth, and considering a carno has freakin 20 bite strength upon reaching 0.6 adult, which is pathetic, and can get outrun by a Utah, i'd say its balanced.
Carnos are INCREDIBLY weak while they grow, more so than any other dino (even dilos and utahs). You wanna mess with my juvie 8 bite force? FEAR ME.
Meanwhile, Cerato juvie straight from the second you spawn it, has like 50 bite force.
Also dont talk balance if you havent looked up the stats.

[PeasantKyr]

Originally posted by Baleur:

Originally posted by ⨁ UlfKarl ⨁:

utah faster than carno? lol you are crazy, carno is the fastest dinosaur in the game

Utahs are faster than Carnos unless the Carno is at 1.0 adult growth.
And yeah, adult Carno is faster than Utah by 1km/h.... Great.
One single tree the carno gotta turn to dodge, the Utah will catch him.
Also, a utah can JUMP, a carno can't. Just jump on a rock, done. Invincible.

Speed ALSO scales with growth, and considering a carno has freakin 20 bite strength upon reaching 0.6 adult, which is pathetic, and can get outrun by a Utah, i'd say its balanced.
Carnos are INCREDIBLY weak while they grow, more so than any other dino (even dilos and utahs). You wanna mess with my juvie 8 bite force? FEAR ME.
Meanwhile, Cerato juvie straight from the second you spawn it, has like 50 bite force.
Also dont talk balance if you havent looked up the stats.

Yea... but Ulf wasn't talking about any of that.

He said they were the fastest in the game, and they are. He didn't say anything about them being over or underpowered, or anything about growth.

He said a thing, and the thing is correct.

[rustyOkin]

talking about balance in the current state of the game seems pretty pointless overall...

I'm not saying Carnos don't need any tuning but The Isle has much bigger problems balance wise right now