Maiasaura and Gallimimus

[Scanova the Carnotaurus]

In these forums there have been multiple different discussions on the balance of certain dinosaurs: whether it be cerato, pachy, and sucho not being in the best place or rex/giga being pains in the asses for everyone involved (whether that is up to poor balance, just inflation, or both is up to you). However, there are 2 dinos in particular that I think are also unbalanced, yet I don't see these guys talked about as much as the rest.

Maiasaura and Gallimimus

Now it may seem like blasphemy, considering herbivores are bullied enough through balance patches, but hear me out.

Maiasaura all around is amazing. It has decent power while also having amazing tolerance towards bleed. A good maia can easily scrap with a carno and potentially come out on top. Sounds great right? Well with its current speed the maia goes from great to kind of rediculous. It is the third fastest dinosaur straight up in survival outside of gallimimus and carnotaurus. Doesn't this seem a tad excessive? With its decent power and this absolutely rediculous speed, it allows maiasaura to bully dilophosaurs and utahraptors rather easily. Its speed could be lowered to around dilo speed and it'd still be able to avoid its fastest threats (ceratosaurus and allosaurus) while no longer being able to trample-roll the smaller guys.

While maiasaura seems maybe a tad too good, Gallimimus is either rediculously safe or kinda OP, take your pick (albeit not OP in the typical sense). All of its stats except for its health are absolutely rediculous. It is the second fastest dinosaur straight up after carnotaurus, has the agility of a god, has the stamina to run for seven minutes straight, attacks while running at machine gun speed, and also has a hitbox like 1/10 its actual size. If you want easy mode in this game, play galli. Unless you are a thrill seeker or really stupid, you are basically immortal. You will never die. This not only makes galli too strong, but it'd also make it boring to various players while also being the go-to dinosaur for generally toxic behavior. Despite how rediculous galli is, I do feel like there's 1 simple fix that'd balance it out (besides fixing the broken hitbox which is a given). The stamina of the gallimimus should be lowered to be somewhat less than utahraptor. This makes it so utahraptors are a genuine threat to gallimimus, but not in the typical sense. In a typical chase, gallimimus still leaves it in the dust. However, if a utahraptor pack plays it smarts and follows/tires out the galli, they'll be able to secure the kill.

[Phat]

Wow I never saw the day people would be complaining about galli and even maia. Both have about the same playstyle, run, except maia can deal with raptors and dilos. I wont talk about galli as it dies in 1 hit to everything, so we'll focus on maia. You have to understand that maia while having a low base damage and very slow attack speed still weighs a little more than Allo. The Allo does around 800 damage to a utah, while maia does around 500.

The problem however I see is that maia is faster than both a utah and dilo. Unfortunately maia does turn slow so it makes it harder to stay on those targets. Utahs can jump so it's pretty much a mute argument, however dilo has it rough unless of course it's night time. I think Maia and galli are at a good place, personally I'd buff the dilo speed.

The hardest problem I see is that people complain about utah/dilo killing their apexs and even trikes now that they nerfed the turn. So on one hand they are very powerful, but because maia is a bit bigger and faster now maia is completely broken... Maia is only a strong dinosaur to people who are aware and experienced as it only takes 1 bite and the majority of the time its your death sentence. While maia does heal bleed fast while sitting, if you have to run they take insane damage from it....

[EdvonSchleck]

Originally posted by Krona:

Originally posted by wunderbar:

Gali is no real threat to anything other than Juveniles. Sure you can play whack a mole with pretty much everything and win. But its a risky game when just one hit from a Raptor can end you. How many Galis do you even come across on avarage so that this would even remotely resemble a problem? If Gali is too easy for you then there's plenty of other more difficult options to choose from. Meanwhile Gali could continue to be a viable starter Dino and something you can use to just mess around with once in a while without causing havoc on the server.

Maia is more than double the weight of a Raptor/Dilo. There's your reason why it should absolutely trash both of them. Only thing I would say is kind of broken about it is that it grows just as fast as a Dilo.

Maia should wreck both of them in a head to head fight, but not also beating both of them in a foot race, that's just absurd, maia should be dilo speed at best, at worst, just a little bit slower. Galli isn't too easy for me, it's just too easy to win with it and get away with a lot of stupid things with galli, galli is simply unfun to play against based on how dumb and brain dead simple it is. Even if it just takes 1 hit to end it.

I don't really get it. Gali is not too easy for you, yet you say its too easy to win with? The difficulty in Gali lays in avoiding to become too cocky for your own good. But when you're the god of jukes that may not be as easy as it appears. Your trolling has to be absolutely flawless, always. Else you're dead. It can teach you an important lesson that will make you more successful throughout the entire game. Never overestimate yourself or underestimate the opposition. For your opposition its also more of a training item rather than a viable source of food. Nonetheless because its basically a Taco in terms of food vaule. I view it as the ultimate challenge for a Raptor or Dilo to test your combat skills and patience.

Maia could be slowed down a tad, or Raptors and Dilos could be expected to treat it like a threat, rather than food, and play accordingly. Really only Dilos have a reason to complain here, given that their ambush is just ever so slightly faster than a Maia's run speed. Raptors can just hang out at places a Maia can never get to, vastly outjuke it and outrun it with their ambush. I think Maia should just have a growth time that matches better with its new capabilities.

[Ghost of Razgriz]

You realize that if the nerf bat comes to either of these, it's going to be a nerf hammer. Dondi seems to have a fetish about turning herbis into useless meat buffets for carnivores. Look at the para.

Before they're tweaked, lets wait for the carnivores to get whatever abilities are being brewed for them. Herbis already have the short end of the stick, why make the few people that play as them suffer more?

[Parasaurolophus]

Originally posted by Ghost of Razgriz:

You realize that if the nerf bat comes to either of these, it's going to be a nerf hammer. Dondi seems to have a fetish about turning herbis into useless meat buffets for carnivores. Look at the para.

Before they're tweaked, lets wait for the carnivores to get whatever abilities are being brewed for them. Herbis already have the short end of the stick, why make the few people that play as them suffer more?

Definitely agree with this ^

[VinceKnight]

I didn't realize the weight difference with the maia. I also didn't really know about their crappy turning radius until reading this. Perhaps my approach to them has been flawed. I still can't wait to see how pounce will affect things.

[Chad Thundercock]

Originally posted by Krona:

Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:

All im saying is there are some herbs that you should not mess with, If they nerf maia just for utahs and other small bois it will be really easy for the mid-tier dinos to kill them which let's be real, It already is.

That doesn't mean it should oppress them, maia being dilo speed will help balance it and it would do perfectly fine without being the 3rd fastest in the game. Being feared =/= Oppressing those it can defend itself from.

Then it would oppress the dilos

[Sable]

Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:

Originally posted by Krona:

That doesn't mean it should oppress them, maia being dilo speed will help balance it and it would do perfectly fine without being the 3rd fastest in the game. Being feared =/= Oppressing those it can defend itself from.

Then it would oppress the dilos

Why would it oppress Dilos?? Being the same speed means it will never catch the Dilo as long as the Dilo has a bit of a headstart.

[Chad Thundercock]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:

Then it would oppress the dilos

Why would it oppress Dilos?? Being the same speed means it will never catch the Dilo as long as the Dilo has a bit of a headstart.

Because it can just out stam it and kill it.

[Mr. Stork]

Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Why would it oppress Dilos?? Being the same speed means it will never catch the Dilo as long as the Dilo has a bit of a headstart.

Because it can just out stam it and kill it.

Wait so do you want Maia to be slowed down or not? Cuz your arguments are sorta confusing and are sorta contradicting eachother

[Sable]

Dilo has a pretty decent stamina. Guys are making it seem like it'll gas out after 30 seconds. There's a lot of forest and undergrowth on the maps. It is incredibly easy to lose a pursuer in all those bushes and trees, unless you make your Dilo a bright yellow with red stripes, in which case you're kinda asking to be hunted down.

I've been chased as a Utah and Dilo by all number of angry dinos. Carnos, Gigas, and yes, Maias. I've yet to die from one in the case of being chased down (different from getting ambushed or attacked while resting). All I've ever had to do was run into some bushes and turn a different direction, while my pursuer just keeps charging on.

If I, a total noob and a filthy casual at any game I play, can escape a Maia, then I'm sure everyone else can too. Just gotta play your cards right.

[Chad Thundercock]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Dilo has a pretty decent stamina. Guys are making it seem like it'll gas out after 30 seconds. There's a lot of forest and undergrowth on the maps. It is incredibly easy to lose a pursuer in all those bushes and trees, unless you make your Dilo a bright yellow with red stripes, in which case you're kinda asking to be hunted down.

I've been chased as a Utah and Dilo by all number of angry dinos. Carnos, Gigas, and yes, Maias. I've yet to die from one in the case of being chased down (different from getting ambushed or attacked while resting). All I've ever had to do was run into some bushes and turn a different direction, while my pursuer just keeps charging on.

If I, a total noob and a filthy casual at any game I play, can escape a Maia, then I'm sure everyone else can too. Just gotta play your cards right.

Wiki says maia has 30 seconds more stamina. Plently of time to do something.

[Sable]

Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Dilo has a pretty decent stamina. Guys are making it seem like it'll gas out after 30 seconds. There's a lot of forest and undergrowth on the maps. It is incredibly easy to lose a pursuer in all those bushes and trees, unless you make your Dilo a bright yellow with red stripes, in which case you're kinda asking to be hunted down.

I've been chased as a Utah and Dilo by all number of angry dinos. Carnos, Gigas, and yes, Maias. I've yet to die from one in the case of being chased down (different from getting ambushed or attacked while resting). All I've ever had to do was run into some bushes and turn a different direction, while my pursuer just keeps charging on.

If I, a total noob and a filthy casual at any game I play, can escape a Maia, then I'm sure everyone else can too. Just gotta play your cards right.

Wiki says maia has 30 seconds more stamina.

Is everyone's argument just going to be the Maia's stamina? I already said that the best and easiest way to lose any pursuer is to just run into some woods.

That Maia can run as much as it likes. It won't find a well-camoflauged Dilo that's already gone a different direction. Anyone who says that it's hard to hide in a forest are the people who make their dinosaur look like a Christmas decoration with the custom skins.

[VinceKnight]

I don't know about you but the only time I really run into herbis is on wide open plains or mountains. Not many hiding places out there. Now that I know I have a better turning radius I'll be sure to use that to my advantage.

[Parasaurolophus]

Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Dilo has a pretty decent stamina. Guys are making it seem like it'll gas out after 30 seconds. There's a lot of forest and undergrowth on the maps. It is incredibly easy to lose a pursuer in all those bushes and trees, unless you make your Dilo a bright yellow with red stripes, in which case you're kinda asking to be hunted down.

I've been chased as a Utah and Dilo by all number of angry dinos. Carnos, Gigas, and yes, Maias. I've yet to die from one in the case of being chased down (different from getting ambushed or attacked while resting). All I've ever had to do was run into some bushes and turn a different direction, while my pursuer just keeps charging on.

If I, a total noob and a filthy casual at any game I play, can escape a Maia, then I'm sure everyone else can too. Just gotta play your cards right.

Wiki says maia has 30 seconds more stamina. Plently of time to do something.

Don't trust the wiki, its usually wrong. Go practice what you preach and jump into a sandbox server looking how fast maia's stam drain is compared to dilos.

[VinceKnight]

Originally posted by Dinooo:

Originally posted by Sexual Intellectual:

Wiki says maia has 30 seconds more stamina. Plently of time to do something.

Don't trust the wiki, its usually wrong. Go practice what you preach and jump into a sandbox server looking how fast maia's stam drain is compared to dilos.

Is there a place where we can find accurate dino stats? Damage, speed, bleed inflicted, bleed resistance, etc.