Magyaro

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

This is a criticism of magyarosaurus's addition and it'll be a long one so if you're not one to like long posts, I'd leave
NOTE: THIS IS PRETTY MUCH JUST KING JAFFAD'S VIDEO, most of the arguments I made here aren't original.


Magyarosaurus is a badly designed animal no matter which way you slice it. It will look awful running, it will not be able to take on an allo without looking stupid, and it keeps getting excuses for inclusion while actual GOOD animals are getting the chopping block.


Magyarosaurus is going to be around the size of a bison and as KissenKitten has said, allo being faster than Magyaro is "unlikely" according to her and magyaro will also take 3 hours to grow. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339510133711175680/680543517445062713/image0.png (Magyarosaurus size)

Yeah, watching Allo's new run cycle, that's an impossibility without looking absolutely stupid (begins at 00:23) https://clips.twitch.tv/DepressedCloudyToadShazBotstix?tt_medium=clips&tt_content=recommendation

Bryan has already stated that, if he animates it, it will NOT be faster than allo.


But even if they go through all of this mumbo jumbo of making this dinosaur that would never work get into the game, what does it even bring thats new?
A mid tier herbivore that beats up cerato sized animals and smaller and is faster than allo? In what way is this not just maiasaura or heck, even tenonto, who gets their own special tail slam and is a heck of a lot smaller than maia. (Other than Tenonto's ugly run animation, its pretty great and my main for the recode). Magyaro doesn't even have a planned ability or unique twist to it to just add insult to injury.


Now another defense people have given magyarosaurus is that it has osteoderms which would protect it from the allosaurus biting it. But a lot of people have taken to Bryan's stance on ankylo being a bad dinosaur, guarantee you its insane level of osteoderms wouldn't protect it from a rex, and they wouldn't, but osteoderms or not, its still getting shredded by an allosaurus since really, outside turtles who have their spine and ribcage serving as an outer exterior and body and armadillos, osteoderms don't really provide revolutionary protection, so I wouldn't see Magy tanking out an allo.

Also take into the account on how the devs have a record of implementing a lot of animals and they're just complete trash on release, sucho, pachy, bary, the game as of now is in its current best form its ever been(in survival) and even still it has huge problems.


My problem is, out of all the sauropods to chose, why magyarosaurus?
Wanna know how to fix the ankylosaurus problem? Add shunosaurus, an animal with a tail club that Bryan will not hate to animate and is a decently small sauropod, but not one that would get annihilated by other animals. Or heck, other sauropods like amargosaurus and bajadasaurus. Bryan already said he found a sauropod that would be better than magyaro.


to make matters worse, Dondi has gone on the record calling Deinocheirus a "bad animal" and that it would be a lame filter feeder.
An omnivorous ornithomimid near t.rex sized with therizinosaurus claws, a spoonbill's beak, and a huge hump on its back, or some nameless small fictional sauropod made last second without an name and had Magyarosaurus slapped onto it because why not.

[Why Watt]

Literally just a text wall of Jaffad's video. Not that I disagree but... it's pretty iffy to go about making a post this way without crediting the source.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU1Tg38CFks

Again, I agree with all the points raised here - with the exception of Deinocheirus.

Filter feeding isn't engaging gameplay and all those traits are precisely why it wouldn't fit into the game. Its goofy. Its ridiculous. Its not something that can be remotely taken seriously in a survival horror game.

[Sable]

I think Magyaros problems stem from its design. It does NOT look like a fast animal. It has horribly skinny legs in proportion to its barrel-shaped body, a very top-heavy neck and thick tail.

Even if it wasn't visually accurate (do we give a ♥♥♥♥?) it could be designed as a more lithe creature with longer legs and a slimmer body

It still wouldn't be something that looks like it would be faster or as fast as Allo, but if it can at least be fast enough to escape (spotting an Allo in the distance and running), then it might work.

The only thing barring this is that that's time and money they have to spend again on the same animal.

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

Originally posted by Why Watt:

Literally just a text wall of Jaffad's video. Not that I disagree but... it's pretty iffy to go about making a post this way without crediting the source.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU1Tg38CFks

Again, I agree with all the points raised here - with the exception of Deinocheirus.

Filter feeding isn't engaging gameplay and all those traits are precisely why it wouldn't fit into the game. Its goofy. Its ridiculous. Its not something that can be remotely taken seriously in a survival horror game.

yeah it was essentially Jaffad's vid, I'll put that at the top

But seriously? Deinocheirus being snuffed but Magyarosaurus was a team decision? Like, just make deinocheirus NOT a filter feeder, easiest fix in the game.

Complaining about deinocheirus being a bad dinosaur because its a filter feeder is like complaining about how ptera shouldn't be playable cause it eats fish

[Red]

Why in the flying ♥♥♥♥ would Deinocheirus be a filter-feeder...? It could literally just be a big semi-aquatic omnivore that favors eating fish and seaweed (or whatever tf aquatic plants exist, if any). I'm aware that Beppy has webbed feet so it might be a semi-aquatic omnivore too but honestly, I don't see how this would be an issue, we have playable pairs like Pachy and Homalo as well as Anky and Minmi. Deinoch and Beppy have a massive size difference between them so they can easily coexist as semi-aquatic omnivores, could easily eat different fish or different aquatic plants.

Also, I already constantly said how stupid af Magy for the game is. Though one detail that actually makes it much more stupid is how Kissen apparently wanted to do Amargasaurus, but the other devs for some reason voted for Magy over it.

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

Originally posted by Red Savage™:

Why in the flying ♥♥♥♥ would Deinocheirus be a filter-feeder...? It could literally just be a big semi-aquatic omnivore that favors eating fish and seaweed (or whatever tf aquatic plants exist, if any). I'm aware that Beppy has webbed feet so it might be a semi-aquatic omnivore too but honestly, I don't see how this would be an issue, we have playable pairs like Pachy and Homalo as well as Anky and Minmi. Deinoch and Beppy have a massive size difference between them so they can easily coexist as semi-aquatic omnivores, could easily eat different fish or different aquatic plants.

I really don't know where Dondi got it from or the idea in his head, as the animal clearly lacks any way of capturing plankton like a baleen, heck it doesn't even have that wide of a mouth so it couldn't filter much.
https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/151/134/large/damir-g-martin-deinocheirus-illustration-3-net-small.jpg?1542710282

Its a tyrannosaur sized gallimimus with giant claws and a huge humpback, this would be perfect for the game and the recently made "Omnivore" faction which has pretty much no playables confirmed for it except oviraptor.

[Why Watt]

Explain how that is perfect for the game, thematically. It's unique, sure. It fills a position nothing else does fill nor could fill. But what makes it perfect for the game?

Face it, Deinocheirus look ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous and there's no way you can actually make it look anything but stupid. It's anatomy is just that bizarre which don't get me wrong, no problem with animals being different... but it doesn't fit snugly into the Isle that's aiming itself as a more serious survival horror. Magyarosaurus at least is a justifiable mid tier snack like Avaceratops and contributes by adding a sense of wonder, seeing something so massive as a sauropod be a quaint dwarf that couldn't possibly survive if not for them literally being industrially produced by the Replicator. Deinocheirus doesn't do that. Most people look at it and go, what the ♥♥♥♥ is that. I know you like to advocate for literally anything getting into the game but Deinocheirus does not line up thematically with the rest of the game. I mean for ♥♥♥♥'s sake, one of the only dinosaur docs that features Deinocheirus has some Dr. Seusse lookin ass animals and a fight scene that perfectly encapsulates what would happen if Deinocheirus fought anything with such an awkward and clumsy body.

[Red]

Funny you say all of that and yet we have a ridiculous looking hypsilophodon. As if that fits the game anymore than a deinocheirus could?

And, to be fair, omnivores could use a large animal to help justify the faction. As far I'm aware we only know of oviraptor and beppy being omnivores, both being rather small.

[Why Watt]

Originally posted by Red Savage™:

Funny you say all of that and yet we have a ridiculous looking hypsilophodon. As if that fits the game anymore than a deinocheirus could?

And, to be fair, omnivores could use a large animal to help justify the faction. As far I'm aware we only know of oviraptor and beppy being omnivores, both being rather small.

It exists as food and ambience while having no impact on the environment.

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

Originally posted by Why Watt:

Explain how that is perfect for the game, thematically. It's unique, sure. It fills a position nothing else does fill nor could fill. But what makes it perfect for the game?

Face it, Deinocheirus look ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous and there's no way you can actually make it look anything but stupid. It's anatomy is just that bizarre which don't get me wrong, no problem with animals being different... but it doesn't fit snugly into the Isle that's aiming itself as a more serious survival horror. Magyarosaurus at least is a justifiable mid tier snack like Avaceratops and contributes by adding a sense of wonder, seeing something so massive as a sauropod be a quaint dwarf that couldn't possibly survive if not for them literally being industrially produced by the Replicator. Deinocheirus doesn't do that. Most people look at it and go, what the ♥♥♥♥ is that. I know you like to advocate for literally anything getting into the game but Deinocheirus does not line up thematically with the rest of the game. I mean for ♥♥♥♥'s sake, one of the only dinosaur docs that features Deinocheirus has some Dr. Seusse lookin ass animals and a fight scene that perfectly encapsulates what would happen if Deinocheirus fought anything with such an awkward and clumsy body.

This game is full of animals that are exaggerated or radically different from the animal they look like or fictionalized animals. I don't see how adding deinocheirus would make anything less scary.
Wayne Barlowe has probably been the only one to get dinosaurs to have that eerie vibe to them, if the deinocheirus doesn't fit in with the dinosaurs with the real life look it has, change it then so it would suit the game.
They're making tenontosaurus run like a moron, I think deinocheirus would be fine in this game.

The spinosaurus looks practically nothing like it would in life and the same could probably be said about Magyarosaurus.

This is the same game where the modelers put a penis on a dinosaur just for giggles and the game is such an over the top and edgy presentation with its "horror" elements and ideas that its hard for me to ever see this game as survival horror or just take seriously. More people have talked about the cuteness of babies in this game than they have talked about how scared they are of this game.

[KlarVyvern]

Magy sure is a weird case. I'm all for using obscure/less obvious candidates for playables, but a dwarf sauropod which was the dodo of its time and which met the same fate? Not the best decision to be honest.
If it's gonna perform as promised it's gonna stand out like a sore thumb amids the roster. On a purely functional level it sounds nothing like a sauropod, more like a hadrosaur that was born in the wrong clade, and God knows we don't need more hadrosaurs.

[Darth Absentis]

ok so smaller then allosaurus ? tbh, the anky is also smaller then a rex, and both are intended to be armored

sure anky has a club at its tail, but if this dino can slash with its tail while being around the top speed of the parasaurolophus, why would this be bad ?

as for it looking weird to make it go fast, elephants can go 40km/hour , hippo's 30km/hour and american buffalo's more then 55km/hour. if one just gives it a fast 4 legged trot(tbh i think a galop would be overkill), i can honestly see it move quite realistic

edit: if this would have the same top speed of the allosaurus, armor, could stomp things and also have the agility of the trike and the ceratosaurus and other smaller dinosaurs would not be as overpowered as they currently are, for the things they should be(caratosaurus ingame currently weighs more then 2 ton, no idea why this is the case), it would be quite a small lethal adversary.

things just look so bad because people still look back at how insane things are these days, with utahs weighing more then a ton and rexes weighing less then 6 ton full grown.

again, there is still a big "but", and i am still not confident the devs have the balls for it untill i see it, but if they get rid of the stupid damage/weight multiplier(which to be fair, they said they will) and then take the risk and have enough speed and stamina differences and weight differences between the biggest dinosaurs of the isle and the smallest ones, so the smallest ones will barely, if ever interact with the bigger ones in a prey/predator relation or as competitors, this is not gonna be a problem at all.

[Red]

I previously forgot that Plateosaurus was confirmed to be coming.. but honestly, I see Plateo as one more reason why Magy is just dumb to add. It just further makes Magy irrelevant to play as. It's the better one at filling the niche of a smallish sauropodomorph that contrasts with the bigger sauropods like Camara/Bronto/Brachi.

Magy will have to look incredibly stupid to be outrunning an Allosaurus, but Plateo wouldn't have that issue. Granted, I think Plateo might be big enough to be potentially capable of fighting off an Allo, but it could easily be made to outrun larger carnivores without needing to look super stupid (honestly, I think magy would still look dumb even when going faster than even apex-tier carnivores).

And here's where it comes down to it... why would you play Magy if you can play as Plateosaurus? It basically outdoes Magy in every way you can imagine.. It has some decently-sized claws on its hand that Magy lacks, and if Magy's capable of tail-attacks and neck-attacks then who's to say Plateo couldn't do those too. Magy may or may not have armor? Carnivores can just target the neck, and besides I don't think that would be too meaningful of an advantage over Plateo who literally does everything else better than it.

If Magyaro was designed to have long giraffe-like legs and could feasibly be galloping, then maybe it might not need to risk looking stupid when outrunning an Allo. But the model we got is an abomination. It's a big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ no from me chief. Especially when Plateo was confirmed.

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

Originally posted by Darth Absentis:

ok so smaller then allosaurus ? tbh, the anky is also smaller then a rex, and both are intended to be armored

sure anky has a club at its tail, but if this dino can slash with its tail while being around the top speed of the parasaurolophus, why would this be bad ?

as for it looking weird to make it go fast, elephants can go 40km/hour , hippo's 30km/hour and american buffalo's more then 55km/hour. if one just gives it a fast 4 legged trot(tbh i think a galop would be overkill), i can honestly see it move quite realistic

edit: if this would have the same top speed of the allosaurus, armor, could stomp things and also have the agility of the trike and the ceratosaurus and other smaller dinosaurs would not be as overpowered as they currently are, for the things they should be(caratosaurus ingame currently weighs more then 2 ton, no idea why this is the case), it would be quite a small lethal adversary.

things just look so bad because people still look back at how insane things are these days, with utahs weighing more then a ton and rexes weighing less then 6 ton full grown.

again, there is still a big "but", and i am still not confident the devs have the balls for it untill i see it, but if they get rid of the stupid damage/weight multiplier(which to be fair, they said they will) and then take the risk and have enough speed and stamina differences and weight differences between the biggest dinosaurs of the isle and the smallest ones, so the smallest ones will barely, if ever interact with the bigger ones in a prey/predator relation or as competitors, this is not gonna be a problem at all.

the difference is that the remodel of ankylosaurus will probably be highly exaggerated, this thing just has minor projecting osteoderms, ankylosaurus was wide and would be difficult to attack it.

Tails can't slash and the tail is way too short to do anything major to an allosaurus. And this isn't a mammal, sauropods are made in such a way that its impossible for them to run effectively, and with Magyaro's thin legs and such a front heavy animal, it going faster than or as fast as an allosaurus is going to look absolutely stupid.

[H00ligan]

All I can say to this asinine thread is, wait for it to be released, or take a break.

If Magy ends up being balanced and fun, that's great you won't have to complain anymore.
If it doesn't, it's entirely likely it will be resigned to an AI option only on "Survival" mode.
And at the end of the day, regardless of whether or not Magy is fun for you personally to play I can offer you some sage advice that will save you all the trouble of struggling with a dinosaur you find unappealing to play as. Do not. Play it.

This thread is like a thousand other threads about this game made by the same small pack of children and more disappointingly entitled self-righteous manchildren so it's the only one i will ever bother to comment on.

Grow up. This game wasn't made for you, you aren't entitled to ♥♥♥♥ from the team or other players. If you don't like where the game heads in development or community structure, nothing is keeping you here except your own blatant headassery and stubbornness.

It's obnoxious and painful to watch the same handful of selfish asshat morons complain about something for literal months on end. If the game is as bad as you say it is, we aren't keeping you here, and honestly, no one wants you here with the attitude you present.

i don't care if you like the game or not, i encourage people to like what they like but good lord. If you sincerely have nothing better to do than sit there and complain online about a game you clearly have no more investment in, for months, YEARS on end, then I'm sincerely concerned about your mental well being. Being this toxic, this head-up-ass and this downright unpleasant is not something I would expect from a functional member of society. You want the impartial advice of a stranger, find something you enjoy and find comfort in it. Stop feeding into the cycle these threads are filled with. The negative feedback loop going on in these threads and the community at large isn't good for anyone. Find a better outlet and stop clogging up the forums with the vitriolic garbage.

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

Originally posted by H00ligan:

All I can say to this asinine thread is, wait for it to be released, or take a break.

If Magy ends up being balanced and fun, that's great you won't have to complain anymore.
If it doesn't, it's entirely likely it will be resigned to an AI option only on "Survival" mode.
And at the end of the day, regardless of whether or not Magy is fun for you personally to play I can offer you some sage advice that will save you all the trouble of struggling with a dinosaur you find unappealing to play as. Do not. Play it.

This thread is like a thousand other threads about this game made by the same small pack of children and more disappointingly entitled self-righteous manchildren so it's the only one i will ever bother to comment on.

Grow up. This game wasn't made for you, you aren't entitled to ♥♥♥♥ from the team or other players. If you don't like where the game heads in development or community structure, nothing is keeping you here except your own blatant headassery and stubbornness.

It's obnoxious and painful to watch the same handful of selfish asshat morons complain about something for literal months on end. If the game is as bad as you say it is, we aren't keeping you here, and honestly, no one wants you here with the attitude you present.

i don't care if you like the game or not, i encourage people to like what they like but good lord. If you sincerely have nothing better to do than sit there and complain online about a game you clearly have no more investment in, for months, YEARS on end, then I'm sincerely concerned about your mental well being. Being this toxic, this head-up-ass and this downright unpleasant is not something I would expect from a functional member of society. You want the impartial advice of a stranger, find something you enjoy and find comfort in it. Stop feeding into the cycle these threads are filled with. The negative feedback loop going on in these threads and the community at large isn't good for anyone. Find a better outlet and stop clogging up the forums with the vitriolic garbage.

"All I can say to this asinine thread is, wait for it to be released, or take a break."
*Writes a whole syllabus

The problem with Magyaro is how it doesn't fit in The Isle, it would be desperately outsped by allosaurus and probably get destroyed by it, if it breaks one or two of these, it wouldn't look right and it would be like if brachiosaurus went at maiasaura speed.

Also can you get the hell off your high horse? This isn't advice, this is an attempt by someone to sound superior and smarter than who they dislike
"vitriolic garbage"
"blatant headassery and stubbornness"
"disappointingly entitled self-righteous manchildren"

You're freaking out over someone saying an obscure sauropod is a bad pick for a game