Maia issues

[Ham Herder]

I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence or if other people are currently experiencing this, but twice now I've been KOS'ed by Maias while growing Carnivores.

I understand that people have to defend themselves completely, however, when I am specifically not being threatening (walking away from the Maia after spotting it, knowing it could easily kill me as a recent sub-Rex) it does make me wonder whether this is intentional griefing behaviour.

Would just like to know if others have experienced similar situations. Thanks.

[Amici]

Not really, it's a pvp survival game and an adult rex would smash a maia, or any other herb, it's just protection for the future. If you are on official there are no rules against that, if you were on a private server you might want to look into the rules and see if someone broke them attacking you. Bugger though, it takes a long time to grow a rexy.

[MadArtillery]

The bugger outran my adult carno and then three shot me lol. Those things are mean don't let em see you

[JIRACHI]

Originally posted by MadArtillery:

The bugger outran my adult carno and then three shot me lol. Those things are mean don't let em see you

Outran your full grown Carno? That's not physically possible.

@OP that's a PvP game. Any other dino can kos your sub rex. I don't see why your issue is Maia specifically. If you don't want to get kosed, don't play on official servers.

[Ham Herder]

Cheers for the replies, it seems that after almost 300 hours my interpretation of survival doesn't exactly include killing everything you see as soon as you see it, but that's on me. I'll just make sure to stay away from the buggers when growing.

To give a bit more insight, I understand that there are PvP elements and enjoy those aspects as much as I do the survival elements, I just have to wrap my head around the fact that Herbivores are apparently also quite bloodthirsty :')

Thanks all!

[Scanova the Carnotaurus]

Originally posted by AnaBanana ☭:

Originally posted by MadArtillery:

The bugger outran my adult carno and then three shot me lol. Those things are mean don't let em see you

Outran your full grown Carno? That's not physically possible.

Not quite. Maiasaura is actually fast enough to keep pace relatively well with adult carnos, albeit they still get outran. A maia outrunning an adult carno I can easily see happening if said adult carno isn't 100% grown.

[Sable]

Killing to prevent a future rival/threat is something everyone does, carnivore and herbivore alike. Used to main Dilo on Survival back in the day, and I made it my life's work to get rid of every large carnivore juvie or sub that I saw, because I didn't want to deal with that sh*t when the little rascals are giant behemoths that can one shot me.

I've had herbivores run me down when I was Juvie as well. I noticed that whenever I was a Juvie or Sub Apex, herbivores were more likely to attack. It makes sense, since if they let me live, I'd be able to destroy all of them. I rarely was killed by herbivores as a Utah Juvie, even if they spotted me.

[Leobyn]

Originally posted by Ham Herder:

I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence or if other people are currently experiencing this, but twice now I've been KOS'ed by Maias while growing Carnivores.

I understand that people have to defend themselves completely, however, when I am specifically not being threatening (walking away from the Maia after spotting it, knowing it could easily kill me as a recent sub-Rex) it does make me wonder whether this is intentional griefing behaviour.

Would just like to know if others have experienced similar situations. Thanks.

Yes. This has happened to me a few times. Most recently, I was a good distance away in the forest and saw 4 Maia’s and a dead body near a river bank, and tried to go away without being seen but they were patrolling the area and KoS’d my sub giga.

It’s fine, really. I’ll adopt a similar attitude and simply kill everything I possibly can on US2 (where this happened). On other servers I’m giving folks the benefit of the doubt that it’s a decent playing environment until I’m proven wrong.

[Sweets]

Originally posted by Ham Herder:

I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence or if other people are currently experiencing this, but twice now I've been KOS'ed by Maias while growing Carnivores.

I understand that people have to defend themselves completely, however, when I am specifically not being threatening (walking away from the Maia after spotting it, knowing it could easily kill me as a recent sub-Rex) it does make me wonder whether this is intentional griefing behaviour.

Would just like to know if others have experienced similar situations. Thanks.

most servers are i played have rules against just murdering the life out of everything you see (as a herb of course ) but normally Maia's and pretty much any big herb may be nesting or migrating and normally servers allow them to attack if your in there protective bubble

[MadArtillery]

Originally posted by AnaBanana ☭:

Originally posted by MadArtillery:

The bugger outran my adult carno and then three shot me lol. Those things are mean don't let em see you

Outran your full grown Carno? That's not physically possible.

@OP that's a PvP game. Any other dino can kos your sub rex. I don't see why your issue is Maia specifically. If you don't want to get kosed, don't play on official servers.

Full grown know but anything short of completely full absolutely. Those bastards are rediculiously good, dunno why people are always ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ they arn't good enough.

[Sweets]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Killing to prevent a future rival/threat is something everyone does, carnivore and herbivore alike. Used to main Dilo on Survival back in the day, and I made it my life's work to get rid of every large carnivore juvie or sub that I saw, because I didn't want to deal with that sh*t when the little rascals are giant behemoths that can one shot me.

I've had herbivores run me down when I was Juvie as well. I noticed that whenever I was a Juvie or Sub Apex, herbivores were more likely to attack. It makes sense, since if they let me live, I'd be able to destroy all of them. I rarely was killed by herbivores as a Utah Juvie, even if they spotted me.

that because most herbs see utahs as less a threat then pretty much all other dino's , esp when they are bite size babes i was just in a para pack the other day who ignore a utah (solo adult) until he finally attacked. they just not that strong.......alone...

[Phat]

Maia is just a troll dinosaur lol, can't kill much except for raptors and dilos. As a solo carno I hunted a herd of maia, killed 1 of the adults, and hardly took damage because of my vastly superior speed. It's retarded posts like this that got para nerfed to uselessness in the first place, what's next a maia nerf because it targets and kills juvie carnivores?

[Why Watt]

Here's the thing tho, the fact you were spotted and slaughtered is all that matters. It does not matter who or what killed you, or why they did so. Your aim is to stay alive, and you failed, and died. The only difference is your insecurities lead you to ignore what you could have done better and instead complain about what killed you.

Cue the imaginary problem "KOS". Kill on sight. Only, normally, applied to herbivores, it aims to shift your failure into demonizing others.

Why you were killed was not of important, their motive, if you will. They might have killed you for logical reasons, like you being a future predator. Or perhaps they did so out of spite, disliking whatever carnivore you were playing as. Maybe they killed you for ♥♥♥♥'s and giggles. Maybe they had a juvenile nearby that you didn't see, or a nest, or whatever.

Ultimately it doesn't matter.

Invert the problem You were killed because you were spotted. S&K. Seen and Killed. That is an accurate perspective as to the blame in a PvP Survival game. You could have taken measures to not be seen and killed. But you didn't.

If that Maiasaura had been a Carnotaurus or an Allosaurus or a Ceratosaurus in those situations you experienced you wouldn't be able to broadly paint your mistakes as players abusing a playable character, cuz their carnivores.

It doesn't matter what that player was. The only useful thing is to learn from your death and look back in hindsight to see where you went wrong and what you could do better next time. It doesn't matter if you died to a herbivore or carnivore, or if there was food or a nest around, your back to spawn regardless.

The Isle has an... unofficial rule #1: Trust No One.

If something can potentially kill you, don't risk it.

Now before any of you start jumping up and down about what herbivores do and don't do...

IRL they are blood thirsty. They are not reactive. They are not measured in their responses. They do not show mercy. They kill whatever poses even the most mild threat to them if they have the capacity and opportunity to do so. It is really that simple. As others have brought up they are eliminating future threats, but herbivores IRL have even more cause:
They lack the luxury of stopping to evaluate things. It's fight or flight for them, and they do not often get to chose when such encounters happen, and therefore they are trigger happy, if you will. Hesitation leads to death.

Predators on the flip-side are the measured ones, typically, only hunting out of necessity and never taking any risks beyond what is absolutely necessary.

It's no wonder that herbivorous animals kill more people than carnivorous ones, by a landslide. Excluding cases of disease propagation, such as Dog attacks killing due to Rabies, you'll find herbivores are just mean, in general.

Making an entire thread to vent your frustrations about an experience that has occurred twice to you is just, absurd to me. Leobyn's reply just takes my bemusement a step further. You feel... vindictive about losing your pixels in a videogame? You feel as if you need to inflict on others the perceived offense dealt to you? You were a subadult Giganotosaurus and were attacked by herbivores, because once you hit adult you'd become something completely beyond killing barring other Gigas and Trexes and Trikes if you decided to risk fighting those.

If you or the OP feel that being killed by others in a PvP game is griefing than honestly you probably shouldn't be playing The Isle. There's basically no PvE side to this game currently, and if pouring hours of your time just leaves you salty when you are killed by other players it's not healthy for you.

[Cavmonster]

HEY.. as a para main I sit with 30+ herbs. Do call outs during fights and.. well once the trex or giga goes to 2nd screen or lays down for stam.. THEN it's my turn to shine lmfaoooo.. ah the para life being so dependent on other players for fun. Blissful it is, very humbling. But fr, bleed heal/stam regen even by 2x for bleed and 1.5x for stam would be super legit. Actually make us a discount trike. Not like we can take more than only 2 hits from apexes anyway.

[Sable]

Originally posted by Aquatic:

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Killing to prevent a future rival/threat is something everyone does, carnivore and herbivore alike. Used to main Dilo on Survival back in the day, and I made it my life's work to get rid of every large carnivore juvie or sub that I saw, because I didn't want to deal with that sh*t when the little rascals are giant behemoths that can one shot me.

I've had herbivores run me down when I was Juvie as well. I noticed that whenever I was a Juvie or Sub Apex, herbivores were more likely to attack. It makes sense, since if they let me live, I'd be able to destroy all of them. I rarely was killed by herbivores as a Utah Juvie, even if they spotted me.

that because most herbs see utahs as less a threat then pretty much all other dino's , esp when they are bite size babes i was just in a para pack the other day who ignore a utah (solo adult) until he finally attacked. they just not that strong.......alone...

Yes, that was my point.The one time I decided to be nice as a Dibble, and let some Juvies live, I wound up with a big Rex and Allo population that forced me to move from Twins to one of the Canyon rivers, and it was NOT a nice journey being hounded by Carnos and Ceratos the entire way.

[Leobyn]

Didn’t want to quote your reply Why Watt just want to make a couple points in response. First this is not just a pvp game, it’s a survival/horror game that supposedly tries to be a semi-realistic simulation of a prehistoric environment, at least it feels that way most of the time to me. For those of us that see it this way, I think many would agree that the game can be immersive. You sometimes really feel like things happening could have actually happened a long long time ago. Until they don’t. Sometimes it’s just mechanics of the game but many times it’s the players behaviors. Right or wrong, sometimes they way people play dislodge any immersion which is what bothers me much more than losing a dinosaur.

To be hidden from a nearby predator and live to see another day is one of the most satisfying things about the game. Trying to manage hunger, thirst, and a safe environment isn’t always in your total control and sometimes you have to compromise your position, to take risks. This will increase your likelihood of being seen. It happens to us all at times. It’s not like we’re all noobs trotting around the map taking in the sights, you simply aren’t going to remain safe at all times. I would not tell players it’s their own fault they were killed because they are spotted.

I’m not going to tell anyone what herbivores tendencies are. I simply shared my experience after the OP asked. That experience was a very negative one and got me thinking about how I’m trying to play this game. Should I keep trying to fit in it and play my part according to what type of dinosaur I play or should I be out trying to conquer the opposite faction, get into a big pack and see how many Dino’s we can go and kill. I simply decided that I’ll conform and play the way people do on US2 because it’s too difficult to stay immersed and play the way I prefer there.