sucho

[Sweets]

so what is everyone opinion on the sucho
i feel like it's kind need something
it is so slow and lacks damage imo to compensate for being so slow
i know it is meant to eat fish but there are no fish as of yet, it water movement is not actually all that fast and you can not hide in the water even though it feels like you should
so what are other people thoughts? maybe they do something with the sucho's after the re-code?

[MadArtillery]

Pretty much not worth playing right now. It needs a lot of work. If it was actually much better in water it might have a little bit of a place. Nukeing it's juvy phase from orbit and changing it dramatically would help too. For a swimmer it mostly involves dropping stamina and land dwellers being able to walk better than it can swim.

[Sweets]

Originally posted by MadArtillery:

Pretty much not worth playing right now. It needs a lot of work. If it was actually much better in water it might have a little bit of a place. Nukeing it's juvie phase from orbit and changing it dramatically would help too. For a swimmer it mostly involves dropping stamina and land dwellers being able to walk better than it can swim.

i really like playing as a water dwelling dino but wow this guy is not good
after dying 2-3 times i do not think i can handle it juvie stage a 4th time it is a slow crawl (not that it's adult phase much better)

[MadArtillery]

Ya I tried him for a week of atleast 4 hours a day of play. Pointless, painful, unfun.

[Atlantika]

adult full grown sucho is pretty good imo, yeah you cant take on trikes rexes spinos gigas elc, but that should be a given, you can take out pretty much anything else 1v1 if you play it correctly, + on land they are quite fast aswell when ambushing. and have extreamly high stamina and drain food and water very slowly. to make up for not able to move too much usually find a lake or two and you roam between em or live at one for the rest of your life span.

also able to eat whole bodys quickly is nice too.

[MadArtillery]

And yet it's juvy form is a joke. I mean that in the most litteral sence, that slow motion walk animation can't have been attached to anything in a serious manner. Add in a walk speed trot and a barely mobile sprint and it's just pain.

[rustyOkin]

Sucho is the prime example why certain dinosaurs shouldn't even be in the game yet.

It's simply impossible/pointless to balance right now considering it will be an aquatic dinosaur. Buffs are needed in order to make Sucho work (it is viable if you are willing to play around water all the time) AND be fun to play right now, but that would mean nerfing it again once proper aquatic mechanics are in the game.

Same goes for Trke by the way:
I'm 99% certain that Trike will play completely different once locational damage and unit collision are in the game -> Trikes using and playing around some sort of damage reducing head shield

[G6]

Originally posted by Aquatic:

so what is everyone opinion on the sucho
i feel like it's kind need something
it is so slow and lacks damage imo to compensate for being so slow
i know it is meant to eat fish but there are no fish as of yet, it water movement is not actually all that fast and you can not hide in the water even though it feels like you should
so what are other people thoughts? maybe they do something with the sucho's after the re-code?

I don't know why ppl in this community think that because an animal 'is meant to eat fish' it should not do good damage to other 'non-fish' animals... Crocs eat mostly fish - much more while smaller - but have a ridiculously strong bite force and when they get to certain size they eat basically anything (fish still being a good portion of their diet).

Even gators (like the jacaré-açu that can get to ~6m and weight ~300kg) that have a more fish-based diet usually eat big mammals like capivara (~60kg) and anta (~150-180kg) and they can do serius damage to basically anything.

Having a fish based diet have nothing to do with doing low damage or even eating other animals.

Originally posted by Silver:

adult full grown sucho is pretty good imo, yeah you cant take on trikes rexes spinos gigas elc, but that should be a given, you can take out pretty much anything else 1v1 if you play it correctly, + on land they are quite fast aswell when ambushing. and have extreamly high stamina and drain food and water very slowly. to make up for not able to move too much usually find a lake or two and you roam between em or live at one for the rest of your life span.

also able to eat whole bodys quickly is nice too.

This ^.

I really like playing sucho and it's the closest to an apex you'll get in the carnis survival pool. It's hard to grow because its juvie stage sucks but it shoulb be harc because when full grown you beat basically anything - and anything you can't beat you can just run to water and slide away. You can hide pretty well in water, have a nice health pool, good regen and the hunger lasts a full night easily(you can survive only from bots with no problem if needed).

I play sucho as a water ambush predator, with 1 or 2 friends hiding in medium sized water bodies with only my head out in ambush mode waiting for food to come to me(pick the right lake and it'll always come). If something big comes i'll just swim away (but again there's not many things that can fight 2~3 full adult suchos close to water).

You should know the map and choose a nice lake before 'settling' in it because suhos are easy target for fast packs or apexes when roaming around. The most vulnerable you'll get playing as sucho is when migrating from one lake to another but everything else should be very easy as an adult. If you're trying to hide in woods, roam the map, chase prey and competing with allos or other medium sized carnis then it will obviously suck because you're just playing this dino wrong.

Yes, some sucho mechanics are ♥♥♥♥ and need honing but basically every mechanic in this game ir crap rn (i know, i know they will make the recode and everything will be beautifull....) so this is a recurring problem in the game and not specifically with the suchos ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

The game looks nice but you can't eat in water, drag corpses, properly swim, sniffind don't actually show fresh corpses but show water body that's a mountain away, herbs can't - for some reason - sniff-and-walk, there's so many unfinished dinos that servers charge money to 'let' players use them(make a donation and you can chose any dino to play), the maps have tiny stones with weirdly big hitboxes making travelling a nightmare in some places, in the 'official' map you can actually gamma cheat, combat system is garbage, dino's bodies are made of 'paper' (you can run directly across other dinos), there's only 1 dino breaking legs and crapping in everybody else AND ETC... Taking in consideration ALL the problems with the isle i think that the sucho is pretty ok.

And theres another thing. I really don't like being 'hold back' by survival(or semi-survival) rules but in the development stage this game is i think it's necessary to(or you'll end up in a full apex deathmatch and not in a survival dino simulator). If you like sucho and want to have fun playing it find a server with nice rules system and good mods where it gets safe zone in water (unless bleeding) and with apexes population control and give it a try.

[†øøts]

It's pretty crap. I've grown a couple, the juvi stage is absolute balls. I've also killed a few adults as well, they are basically helpless without a big lake/river - and today I ran into a fight with my Galli. Two bodies and neither are eaten just bruised and battere. One was full grown sucho and the other a sub-giga.

A full grown adult lost a fight to a sub-giga.

[MadArtillery]

Would not surprise me. At nearly a full grown adult it took me 5 or so bites just to kill the fat ai trike looking thing. I two shot them at worst as a sub giga.

[Lambalot {Lamb-Bah-Ghini}]

Originally posted by guestt666:

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I really like playing sucho and it's the closest to an apex you'll get in the carnis survival pool. It's hard to grow because its juvie stage sucks but it shoulb be harc because when full grown you beat basically anything - and anything you can't beat you can just run to water and slide away. You can hide pretty well in water, have a nice health pool, good regen and the hunger lasts a full night easily(you can survive only from bots with no problem if needed).

I play sucho as a water ambush predator, with 1 or 2 friends hiding in medium sized water bodies with only my head out in ambush mode waiting for food to come to me(pick the right lake and it'll always come). If something big comes i'll just swim away (but again there's not many things that can fight 2~3 full adult suchos close to water).
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See the problem here is that you're not actually allowed to hide in water.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/376210/discussions/14/1729828401669165203/

[MadArtillery]

People always say "water ambush predator but you cant ambish from water, no speed boost, sloe swim speed and no ability to sit stationary. Rexs tend to be guarding the bushes and nothing about the sucho makes in particularly better at camping water especially not solo. Losing in swim speed against dilos not even ambushing is just sad and carno swims as long and as fast so whats the point.

Let us rest in water and add logs and branches to the water that you can blend in with suchos low water profile and you'll have some golden gameplay. As it is its greatest strength is being really satisfying to look at.

[G6]

Originally posted by Lambalot {Lamb-Bah-Ghini}:

Originally posted by guestt666:

(snip)
I really like playing sucho and it's the closest to an apex you'll get in the carnis survival pool. It's hard to grow because its juvie stage sucks but it shoulb be harc because when full grown you beat basically anything - and anything you can't beat you can just run to water and slide away. You can hide pretty well in water, have a nice health pool, good regen and the hunger lasts a full night easily(you can survive only from bots with no problem if needed).

I play sucho as a water ambush predator, with 1 or 2 friends hiding in medium sized water bodies with only my head out in ambush mode waiting for food to come to me(pick the right lake and it'll always come). If something big comes i'll just swim away (but again there's not many things that can fight 2~3 full adult suchos close to water).
(snip)

See the problem here is that you're not actually allowed to hide in water.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/376210/discussions/14/1729828401669165203/

"you're not actually allowed to hide in water" = crappy rules to fill the gap of bad mechanics ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's why i said for sucho you should play in a server with survival/semi survival rules with "water safety".... In the actual state of development of this game in deathmatch-no-rules servers only apexes are viable.. the rest is tryhard fodder...

[Sweets]

i just tested it out and
cera, giga, carno, all swim faster then a sucho

also just a note: never get caught in the water as a sucho by 3 giga's they will not let you leave

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

TO EVERYONE IN THE THREADS, SUCHO IS NOT THE PROBLEM

giganotosaurus trots down suchomimus with impunity, hence why it's awful. Not really much else about it.

[Bill_Clinton_Supreme]

Originally posted by Rusty:

Sucho is the prime example why certain dinosaurs shouldn't even be in the game yet.

It's simply impossible/pointless to balance right now considering it will be an aquatic dinosaur. Buffs are needed in order to make Sucho work (it is viable if you are willing to play around water all the time) AND be fun to play right now, but that would mean nerfing it again once proper aquatic mechanics are in the game.

Same goes for Trke by the way:
I'm 99% certain that Trike will play completely different once locational damage and unit collision are in the game -> Trikes using and playing around some sort of damage reducing head shield

Honestly, I want this allo wrecking, bear of an animal we have of sucho now instead of some fishing animal that can't exist cause it's weak if it eats fish.