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Rex is strong on land, but i believe that if rex comes to the water, deino should be able to pull it under water and kill it. Deino could die to rex when offland (maybe give it a debuff when not in water). I like the grab and bite mechanic you mentioned. I think deino should be a bone breaker because of it's 10.5 bite force, it outranks rex. If deino grabs rex first no way rex is gonna get out of that.
However rex weighs 2x more than deino despite deino having a stronger bite force. So i think the determining factor for these 2 apex should be envirornment. Rex wins on land, Deino wins in water.
Sarcosuchus is also another interesting and maybe should be added. Although scientist speculate that they can't do a deathroll like deino, Sarcosuchus is closely related to crocodiles, and i love crocs!
Bone break is also a likely mechanic going to the Deino, considering that it's bite force will be either on par with, or super close to the Rex. If not, then Death Roll could be Deino's method of crippling Rex, ripping off a limb or opening a wound so much that heavy bleeding will do the Rex in.
Deino will also have an ability to drag live prey back into the water, in which case Rex is out of its element.
Considering locational damage and Deino's stature compared to Rex, Rex could very easily be crippled if Deino gets hold of a leg.
As long as the wonky hit boxes are fixed i believe each apex should be just about equal enough to 1v1 each other which at that point skill will be the deciding factor. Deino will be low to the ground which will also play either an advantageous role or vice versa. Specific high stats like spino with high hp, rex with high bite force, giga with high bleed etc etc will all play down to skill in the end if combat is rework to enforce skill play as opposed to what it is now
The size of the Deinosuchus is what matters more. Not where or when the fight happens.
You see, what it's main, erm, "gimmick" is going to be is, well, unlimited growth.
Baseline adult Deinosuchus would take time similar to an apex's total growth, and by this size it is capable of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up a Spinosaurus or Tyrannosaurus if you manage to ambush it, be it land or water, but they can outmaneuver and outplay you, and once your tired your ♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Contrary to what Moby speculated... Deinosuchus is going to be HORRIFYINGLY fast, in very short bursts, much like Tyrannosaurus. So do not think it's going to be a slow poke on land, it sure as ♥♥♥♥ isn't. You'll get munched for that mistake. However, your stamina would be even worse than Trex on land and well, imagine a pathetically slow trot... that's what your left with.
You tire quickly and as such you wanna kill ♥♥♥♥ quickly and ambush them.
Anywhom, after staying alive for 48hrs your growth would resume. That's 48hrs of playtime, just so you are aware. So if you've stayed alive that long you resume growing and this time, well, there's no limit on it.
Eventually your size will rival that of things like Hyper Tyrannosaurus and accordingly, well, a standard Trex isn't going to pose much of a problem now is it? Granted, you will eventually starve to death when playing Deinosuchus, it's an inevitability. So some sizes will never realistically be achieved.
Oh yes if it gets ahold of its leg, it's gonna deathroll that thing off and rex will be very vulnerable (might as well be considered dead with a missing or ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up leg).
Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLy-Iiy_Zp4
Took that leg clean off, now imagine this video but with 10x the force. It would literally has the bite force to bring down anything in the history of animals. Such a shame that they went extinct....
I agree with you, and seen crocs and alligators being able to sprint really fast in short burst despite being big. So yea it can short burst on land and run out of stam quick.
Are the devs adding physics to the game? I dont think any game has ever been produced on this level with creatures attacking each other in a realistic manner (many programmers focus on humanoid action and stuff). I feel like what the devs are doing is entirely new and will take a lot of effort, and if this game cant achieve that then it will take a triple A game company with the funds to research and program complex fighting mechanics. I could be wrong, but i'm hoping The Isle inspires many other game developers and maybe one day (like 10-20 years from now) we can get a hyper realistic dino game just dinos tackling, bumping, hitting, bitting, scratching, grabbing, etc.
Hey maybe dondi might be the creator of it(i hope)
The other thing that video shows is how durable and tough crocodiles are. The damn thing had its leg ripped off and had no reaction other than
"boi"
I hope that the devs take that into account when considering how well Deino should heal and what injuries can actually affect it.
Crocs and gators rip each others body parts off on the daily, and yet, they go on living like it's no big deal. They're incredibly durable, and they heal sh*t like that as if it's a paper cut.
Not only that, did you see how he wasn't bleeding? That croc after getting its arm ripped off barely put a tiny spec of blood on the sand. If you did that to a human blood would literally be everywhere.
Also crocs are known for having such a powerful immune system. When injected with a deadly virus such as HIV. The crocs immune system literally rips the HIV apart and murders it. Their immune systems are crazy powerful. My most favorite exotic animal is the croc and crow.
damn straight
Deino easily has this in the bag with asspull chimera parts and overall just being absolutely monstrous.
Just look at the jaw on that thing!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1754873061
You do realize there are a great many Deinosuchus specimens that have been found, from both of the continents that were divided by the Interior Seaway, right?
Furthermore, basic physics understanding would allow you to understand that a greater surface area reduces the power of a force delivered... it's the entire principal behind bullets; a very freaking small surface area, the tip of the bullet, is delivering a rather small force, but that is proportionally massive compared to said surface area. As such it does a load of damage. Flipside to this, a Deinosuchus may be delivering some truly awesome bite forces... but it's jaws are so massive that the force is spread out and as such only truly strong at remaining shut, not really clamping down.
Even modern Nile Crocodiles rarely kill whatever large game they attack outright despite biting down, full force, on the neck or head of animals coming to drink... they usually rely on drowning or dismemberment - with the assistance of their homies - to kill prey.
So a Deinosuchus only would benefit from that massive power if it bites down and tries to drag massive prey back into the water... which it could do w/o letting go, or yknow, just hold onto them and deathroll them to death