Deinosuchus Possibly Vulnerable While Feeding?

[florble mcfumperdink]

First of all, the death roll and head movements are on point and the *crunching* noises are awesome and disturbing at the same time.

Now that being said, could the Deinosuchus possibly be vulnerable while it is feeding due to the length of the animation? Obviously not as an adult, of course, I mean who is insane enough to piss off a 30-45 foot long Alligator while it's eating, but while it is a juvenile or adolescent for instance, and is still plenty small enough to be a prey item for most of the predators in the game.

[Shot'em]

It would be an interesting weakness to have, especially if the juvenile is otherwise too mobile or dangerous to be tackled otherwise

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Shot'em:

It would be an interesting weakness to have, especially if the juvenile is otherwise too mobile or dangerous to be tackled otherwise

I feel like that could be part of what balances it quite well, very easily killed while young, but very maneuverable so it is most vulnerable when it is feeding, but the vulnerability during feeding would probably only be in effect while young because when sub-adult or adult size it is effectively an unstoppable killing machine. Also, as mentioned above in the thread, I don't think anyone would try to bully a fully grown Deinosuchus off of its kill although a few exceptions may be a grown mating pair of Gigas, Rexes, or Spinos, or possibly another, larger Deinosuchus.

This makes me think that while it is a juvenile or adolescent its life is fraught with danger as most of the carnivores pose a danger to it, especially larger Deinosuchuses and when grown essentially its only threat is another grown Deinosuchus, that is of course providing that either player would even risk their hours upon hours of time spent on their precious Mega Gator of Death over a small lake or an Allosaur carcass, which I doubt a sensible player would, in survival at least.

[Sable]

It wouldn't be balanced. Not in the slightest, not even for the power it has.

Not being able to stop a feeding or drinking animation was a riot back when it was a thing. Everyone hated it.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

It wouldn't be balanced. Not in the slightest, not even for the power it has.

Not being able to stop a feeding or drinking animation was a riot back when it was a thing. Everyone hated it.

Oh yeah I remember the horrific days when that was a thing.

To be totally honest I think it being small and week and extremely water reliant during its juvenile and adolescent stages will be its balancing factor because it essentially means that Suchomimuses, Baryonyx and Spinosaurus will feed on the young Deinosuchuses whenever given the chance because if a Deinosuchus gets fully grown or nearly fully grown, essentially nothing other than Spinosaurus can effectively battle for control of a lake or large river with it because of its sheer strength and advantage in water.

Also the massive 48 hour full growth time to that titanic max size that ensures that it is nigh impossible to get access to that extremely OP maximum bite damage and health.

[Kassirex]

well ill let the new DEINOSUCHUS PREVIEW speak for its self go watch it on youtube

but yeah as this creature seems to be OP as a hyper then giving it weaknesses to oyher creature and especially other aquatics would be a good idea

[Sable]

Originally posted by Kassirex:

well ill let the new DEINOSUCHUS PREVIEW speak for its self go watch it on youtube

but yeah as this creature seems to be OP as a hyper then giving it weaknesses to oyher creature and especially other aquatics would be a good idea

Except it's not as OP as a Type-H. After you reach 1.0 Adult, it's 48 hours for the Infinite Growth just to START. After that, it starts become more and more insatiably hungry, and it starves faster as it grows slowly.

The chances of a Deinosuchus reaching the size of taking a Type-H are about as high as a Rex becoming an actual Type-H.

As for weaknesses, it's an Apex predator, meaning that once it's full grown, you don't hunt it anymore, meaning that you kill it before it reaches adulthood if you want to counter itspower.

[roger.merrell]

Y'all putting way to much into to it. It's weakness is what it is now for the alligators of the world . #1 very slow on land #2 can't cross to new water spots without getting killed #3 limited to food that only comes near water . U are not going to be chasing food down that's for sure. #4Turning will probably be hard on land . I would like it to need sunlight/heat to digest food like it would have needed then and like allogators use today . maybe in water it stops growing but out water to starts back. Something like that . but if there shotting for what it was . it's no different then what we have today just much bigger.

[Sable]

Originally posted by Nice Killer:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

First of all, the death roll and head movements are on point and the *crunching* noises are awesome and disturbing at the same time.

Now that being said, could the Deinosuchus possibly be vulnerable while it is feeding due to the length of the animation? Obviously not as an adult, of course, I mean who is insane enough to ♥♥♥♥ off a 30-45 foot long Alligator while it's eating, but while it is a juvenile or adolescent for instance, and is still plenty small enough to be a prey item for most of the predators in the game.

I assume it will be like all the feeding animations and as soon as you let off the key the feeding immediately stops. I doubt you will be locked into a animation.

It's gonna be vulnerable regardless because it's turn will be garbage and it will be ass riden to death by everything I imagine. The hype will die down once people realize it is complete trash out of the water. Oh sure it'll be good at running in a straight line for a short period but crocs are horrible at turning and have to shuffle to turn.

Only way I see it being ACTUALLY good and not just "cool" to play is if they redo or change the map. Connect every river, lake, and pond. That way it will have more surface area where it will have the advantage. If the map stays the same people will know the crocs are in lazy river and the swamp and just avoid them unless they are a rex in which case they will go and murder them like everything else in the game.

It will be more of a specialist dino and not this OP and awesome thing people are hyping it up to be. It'll be fun to grow, fun to swim around with, but won't be very good honestly unless they unrealistically buff the living hell out of it.

I'm guessing you've never seen a crocodile in real life. They can do a full 180° in the blink of an eye. That tail is also not something to be f**ked with.

Full grown Deino vs full grown Rex, money is on the Deino.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Nice Killer:

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

I'm guessing you've never seen a crocodile in real life. They can do a full 180° in the blink of an eye. That tail is also not something to be f**ked with.

Full grown Deino vs full grown Rex, money is on the Deino.

I live in the south and yes I've seen wild alligators and been to a lot of farms with crocs. They can snap and whip their head to their ass for about half a second but when it comes to ACTUALLY turning around as in to completely face a new direction they are pretty slow on land which makes sense since they have long and heavy bodies and short stubby limbs and have evolved for mobility in water.

No, rex will win. Dondi will nerf the deino if it presents any sort of challenge to rex on release like he's done to every dino. It will have a sht turn radius and even worse after rex breaks it's leg.

I hate rex personally because it is broken but yeah it will poop on deino like every other dino.

I think that a fight between T-rex and Deinosuchus will be like that of a Black Bear and Alligator meaning that if the Alligator(Deino) is in its element and catches the Bear(T-rex) off guard and drags it into whatever body of water that it shot out of like some demon from the deepest darkest most fiery depths of Hades, it will win. But, if the Bear(T-rex) catches the Alligator(Deino) off guard sunning on a lakeside or riverbed or beach, it has the upper hand so long as the Alligator(Deino) doesn't notice the titanic super-land-predator creeping up behind it to roll it over and tear its guts out.

Also, referring to the comment that you quoted, I believe that there was an image of a new map being worked on that seems to focus on water environments, and it seems that most of the water sources on that map are large enough to "hide" a grown or nearly grown Deinosuchus.

[Raina]

Not sure how a long eating animation would help anyways. Wouldn't it be eating in the water 99% of the time. Thus hidden away from most other species. (Though yeah, please don't lock into eating animations again)

If they make it move than an actual gator then it should actually have a rediculous flip around rotation. When walking sure they would turn like a bus, but in one place fighting something they flip around on a dime.

Kinda sad I have to agree with the sentiment that if it poses to much of a thread to rex it will likely be nerfed since it's the clear favorite.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Raina:

Not sure how a long eating animation would help anyways. Wouldn't it be eating in the water 99% of the time. Thus hidden away from most other species. (Though yeah, please don't lock into eating animations again)

If they make it move than an actual gator then it should actually have a rediculous flip around rotation. When walking sure they would turn like a bus, but in one place fighting something they flip around on a dime.

Kinda sad I have to agree with the sentiment that if it poses to much of a thread to rex it will likely be nerfed since it's the clear favorite.

I hope it will have some way to defend itself on land and keep it from being ass rode to death by raptors.

That being said I'm gonna find it enjoyable pulling those annoying little bastards under the surface to a watery grave. As far as it being nerfed I don't think it will because of its exhorbitantly long growth cycle which is, from what I've heard 48 hours in game time to grown size which makes me think that at full size it can basically oneshot anything that it catches by surprise so that basically once it is fully grown or in the infinity growth after fully grown, it is an unstoppable killing machine but up to that point it is prey to most every single carnivore while it is on land.

Also, speaking of food, I wonder if Deino will be added with some form of water AI like fish or if the AI avas and oros etc will drink or hang out near water in order for it to actually, you know, survive.

[Kami]

i definately feel like deino will create some sort of intrigue. first every deino will head directly to twins. dinosaurs will then never visit twins, and because of that the deinos will migrate to a water source it's prey is actually using. then they head to twins, and the cycle continues.