Rex's bone break...

[SotvānZander]

Is it really freaking 70% chance to break your leg? Because this is absolute garbage for giga... They nerfed freaking bleed but god no if they nerf bone break? So basically people say trex has bone crushing jaw or whatever so it gets highest freaking dps... then they also get bone break?
Maybe they should add more damage to rex instead and get rid of this 1 hit win gimmick...

[Why Watt]

It's pure RNG. I solo'd a Trex as a Giga on US2 once, simply because it got very, very unlucky. Furthermore weight impacts the odds; it's closer to 65% when attacking a Giga, and is a mere 50% against a Trike.

Trex does not have the highest DPS, it has one of the highest raw outputs, and health and weight to back it up. But it's DPS is mediocre due to a very low bite speed, as such not even a long time back, Gigas facetanked Trex... and all they had was an extra 100 N bite force. That's how close it is, simply because Giga and Trike attack very fast.

And once you look at Sandbox (which are routinely injected), you have beasts like Therizinosaurus with his 350 x 6 damage per sprinting swipe (2100 N right there) which can hit faster than a Giga bite; the only thing limiting them is health and weight to sustain the few hits a Trex needs to kill them.
You also have Shant where Trex relies on BB to win, and has only a 35% chance to break their bones... whereas Shant can drop a nuclear stomp on a Trex that registers twice because uh, two feet xd

As a Giganotosaurus you are not meant to solo Trex, rather you are meant to pack up against them... and Gigas are the single best pack hunter in the game. Creatures that handle friendly fire well benefit massively from teamplay, and Gigas have some damn good bleed res and heal and have among the fastest trots (slower than Maia, Galli and Dilo) which allows packs to decimate things.

3 Gigas will trump 3 Trexes or even 5 Trikes. It's absolutely powerful... but Solo Giga aren't meant to fight anything their size. They excel at hunting mid tiers; they can catch up to all of them in an endurance chase, so that's Allo, Acro, Theri, Stego, Alberto, Diablo, Cerato, Para ALL on the menu for this beast, reliably. Maia and Carno are the only ones you won't catch up to. So when you are solo, this is what you fight, and if solo, you avoid Trexes. It takes practice, so I encourage you to jump onto Sandbox servers and try it out, but there's a certain distance you guarantee escape them.
You can also escape Spinos due to their low base sprint, horrible stamina and slower trot / less stam regen...

So yeah. Happy hunting, stay away from the Rexes solo but ♥♥♥♥ them with your homeboys!

[.Terror.]

Man, and people are wanting Theri buffed, and introduced into Survival. A buffed Theri. Are those people frickin crazy? It's already faster than most carnivores, for no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. It was a slowpoke in real life. Also the damage output that you stated. I seriously wonder if people who suggest such things are ok 'up there'. Sorry if its offtopic, but seeing how crazy dmg it does, I just had to write this down.

Theri, if it somehow gets into survival, needs a massive speed nerf.

[Why Watt]

Originally posted by .Terror.:

Man, and people are wanting Theri buffed, and introduced into Survival. A buffed Theri. Are those people frickin crazy? It's already faster than most carnivores, for no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason. It was a slowpoke in real life. Also the damage output that you stated. I seriously wonder if people who suggest such things are ok 'up there'. Sorry if its offtopic, but seeing how crazy dmg it does, I just had to write this down.

Theri, if it somehow gets into survival, needs a massive speed nerf.

The speed is it's only problem because jfc, it nearly outruns Dilos! 38. smth kmh, is way to broken to be added to Survival. It needs to sit at like, 32 or someshit. Get some health as a tradeoff.

But yeah. Theri can absolutely SHRED things. Each claw does damage. He has six ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ claws.

[.Terror.]

I think a speed similar to Trike is the most reasonable. If added to survival, it should be unable to even follow apexes while running. It should stand it's ground. Buff its health or damage according to that, but god its speed is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I cant comprehend its OP-ness tbh.

[SotvānZander]

Originally posted by Why Watt:

It's pure RNG. I solo'd a Trex as a Giga on US2 once, simply because it got very, very unlucky. Furthermore weight impacts the odds; it's closer to 65% when attacking a Giga, and is a mere 50% against a Trike.

Trex does not have the highest DPS, it has one of the highest raw outputs, and health and weight to back it up. But it's DPS is mediocre due to a very low bite speed, as such not even a long time back, Gigas facetanked Trex... and all they had was an extra 100 N bite force. That's how close it is, simply because Giga and Trike attack very fast.

And once you look at Sandbox (which are routinely injected), you have beasts like Therizinosaurus with his 350 x 6 damage per sprinting swipe (2100 N right there) which can hit faster than a Giga bite; the only thing limiting them is health and weight to sustain the few hits a Trex needs to kill them.
You also have Shant where Trex relies on BB to win, and has only a 35% chance to break their bones... whereas Shant can drop a nuclear stomp on a Trex that registers twice because uh, two feet xd

As a Giganotosaurus you are not meant to solo Trex, rather you are meant to pack up against them... and Gigas are the single best pack hunter in the game. Creatures that handle friendly fire well benefit massively from teamplay, and Gigas have some damn good bleed res and heal and have among the fastest trots (slower than Maia, Galli and Dilo) which allows packs to decimate things.

3 Gigas will trump 3 Trexes or even 5 Trikes. It's absolutely powerful... but Solo Giga aren't meant to fight anything their size. They excel at hunting mid tiers; they can catch up to all of them in an endurance chase, so that's Allo, Acro, Theri, Stego, Alberto, Diablo, Cerato, Para ALL on the menu for this beast, reliably. Maia and Carno are the only ones you won't catch up to. So when you are solo, this is what you fight, and if solo, you avoid Trexes. It takes practice, so I encourage you to jump onto Sandbox servers and try it out, but there's a certain distance you guarantee escape them.
You can also escape Spinos due to their low base sprint, horrible stamina and slower trot / less stam regen...

So yeah. Happy hunting, stay away from the Rexes solo but ♥♥♥♥ them with your homeboys!

Right I understand more now someone told me it was 70% I was like that is completely crap for giga but if it has lower chance I suppose it is ok.
I also have not died to trex yet and managed to kill one with my friend in a 2v2

[Darth Absentis]

Originally posted by .Terror.:

I think a speed similar to Trike is the most reasonable. If added to survival, it should be unable to even follow apexes while running. It should stand it's ground. Buff its health or damage according to that, but god its speed is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I cant comprehend its OP-ness tbh.

Finally someone who actually gets that all they have to do with the theri is nerf the speed and stamina so it can't be a hunter and then once that is done they might actually be in need to consider even buffing the damage so it would not just end up being apex canon fodder.

[Specter]

Originally posted by Darth Absentis:

Originally posted by .Terror.:

I think a speed similar to Trike is the most reasonable. If added to survival, it should be unable to even follow apexes while running. It should stand it's ground. Buff its health or damage according to that, but god its speed is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I cant comprehend its OP-ness tbh.

Finally someone who actually gets that all they have to do with the theri is nerf the speed and stamina so it can't be a hunter and then once that is done they might actually be in need to consider even buffing the damage so it would not just end up being apex canon fodder.

Giving it bleed would be a start.

[Why Watt]

Originally posted by Nakara:

Originally posted by Darth Absentis:

Finally someone who actually gets that all they have to do with the theri is nerf the speed and stamina so it can't be a hunter and then once that is done they might actually be in need to consider even buffing the damage so it would not just end up being apex canon fodder.

Giving it bleed would be a start.

You must realize it lands 6 hits per attack. This means that whatever value of bleed it gets is applied 6 times...

So for instance, 3 bleed would be 18 (dibble) ; 4 bleed would be 24 bleed (allo) ; 5 bleed would be 30 (Trike) ; 6 bleed would be 36

And that's just off a single left click while sprinting

[Darth Absentis]

Originally posted by Why Watt:

Originally posted by Nakara:

Giving it bleed would be a start.

You must realize it lands 6 hits per attack. This means that whatever value of bleed it gets is applied 6 times...

So for instance, 3 bleed would be 18 (dibble) ; 4 bleed would be 24 bleed (allo) ; 5 bleed would be 30 (Trike) ; 6 bleed would be 36

And that's just off a single left click while sprinting

In a proper game, it would be easy to just give it a small amount of bleed instead though

That being said, i kinda feel the bleed level on this one should actually be quite insane for what it is, in the end trike has 2 sharp horns, this thing has probably less power to it, yet had 3 times more sharp objects then a trike

Giving it giga levels of bleed would not be that far fetched at all.

as for sprinting, if the theri should be capable of running, it should be a run not worthy to be even called a sprint i think

[.Terror.]

Stego or Trike causing massive bleed is logical. Theri on the other hand, not so much. Against apexes, it wouldn't be able to cut deep wounds as those animals probably had a pretty though hide. IRL the wounds would obviously get infected, but Im not sure if such things will be implemented.
It should cause a minimal amount of bleed, but not considerable. It should rely on a burst of damage, which comes with the 3 slashing attack. To begin with, it shouldn't be able to attack while running. It should definietly be a 'stand it's ground' type of animal.

[Cation]

Stop underestimating the power behind the arms of Therizinosaurus, they can easily cut through flesh with those claws, and deal a lot of bleed. Theri should be a dangerous in terms of bleed but shouldn't do crazy impact damage so against an apex it is not as well defended as trike, but can ultimately kill them in the end, just after it itself has taken a lot of damage or has died, especially in a face-tanking fight, in the immediate it dies, but the wounds should kill the target. A Theri should be quite fast for it's size, but nothing crazy, an apex that runs away from other apexes, like it has been un the past, just, still able to defend itself and be dangerous.

[Cation]

Back on topic... Bone break IS being updated after the recode, it'll finally, possibly, balance things out for many heavy hitters across the board.

[Darth Absentis]

Originally posted by DANCER9op:

Back on topic... Bone break IS being updated after the recode, it'll finally, possibly, balance things out for many heavy hitters across the board.

Yes please.

i mean, if an allosaur for an example where to bite a para several times in one leg, i think even said para should start limping, while as a rex, breaking bones on a giga in one bite, sure, i am ok with that to be honest, but only if you actually for for a leg, not if you barely hit the tail or sides of that one.

[bigmoe808]

Originally posted by Darth Absentis:

Originally posted by Why Watt:

You must realize it lands 6 hits per attack. This means that whatever value of bleed it gets is applied 6 times...

So for instance, 3 bleed would be 18 (dibble) ; 4 bleed would be 24 bleed (allo) ; 5 bleed would be 30 (Trike) ; 6 bleed would be 36

And that's just off a single left click while sprinting

In a proper game, it would be easy to just give it a small amount of bleed instead though

That being said, i kinda feel the bleed level on this one should actually be quite insane for what it is, in the end trike has 2 sharp horns, this thing has probably less power to it, yet had 3 times more sharp objects then a trike

Giving it giga levels of bleed would not be that far fetched at all.

as for sprinting, if the theri should be capable of running, it should be a run not worthy to be even called a sprint i think

Question, how do you feel about giving theri a nerfed giga treatment. Good trot, worthless sprint?

[.Terror.]

Theri should not be fast. No. It should be a little faster than a Trike, with more stamina than the latter. The current speed and stamina it has is absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. And it should not do near as much bleed as a Stego or Trike per hit. Not underestimating, it's just the 2 I mentioned were more equipped to do a fatal blow on a single hit.

If anything, it should be a glass cannon. Any significant bleed you put on it, as Why Watt already said, would make it too OP. And it has a 3 hit attack already. The most logical option is to buff it's damage and maybe add 1-2 bleed. Also what's the point of playing theri then, if you can't kill your opponent before you die? Which ultimetly means you can't defend yourself efficiently. And again, no it should definietly not outrun apexes easily, since that would mean it can pretty much outrun or chase mid sized carnis which is again stupid.

In all honesty, I don't think adding Theri would be a great thing afterall. It would either be bad for Theri players, or for any carni player basically. It would only be great on servers that have either limited apex population, or a selected list of animals.