What's the population distribution between carnivores and herbivores?

[Excessive Paranoia]

I ask because in my first day of playing I ran into only about 13 players (though to be fair, I was ninja scouting the map with a dilo, so I was actively avoiding anything that didn't sound like an AI dino), and all but one of them were carnivores. Does anyone really play herbivores?

[Miss𝓧Green]

Carnivores are just way more fun, to me its all about the thrill of the hunt, you just dont get that as a herbivore. Your food doesnt fight back, it doesnt run, you can camp right beside it its just...'To' peaceful specially if your in a herd and no Carni wants to ♥♥♥ with y'all.

Carnivore class has everything I need to enjoy this game and once Deino is out I wont need any other class. ;)

[Pablo Croft]

Carnivores do outnumber herbivore players, yes. Not JUST on the roster...Carnivores are clearly the focus of development, while herbivores take a solid sloppy second. I'll have to disagree with the notion that herbivores are weak, though.

I galli can kill any juvi, but primarily runs. A dryo just hides and runs- and scouts...because they see so well over a bush lol.

A trike player can take down a rex, or giga if they know what they are doing with little trouble. However, they only fight things that fight them due to the fact anything can outrun them.

A dibble can stand against "anything" BUT an apex. They're boned too, because of their speed, though, so they to fight things that choose to fight them, most times. Maias destroy utahs and dilos when considering speed, power, and turning. Paras can also stand against anything, so long as they connect with their kicks when facing anything bigger than a utah or dilo. Regular attacks work just fine for utahs and dilos. An apex will catch and kill them easily, though, because they too are on the slower end of things.

Pachys, well their bleed makes juvi life extra tough, and a lot of downtime as an adult. They can 3 shot utahs and probly 2 shot dilos, but again the down time. They jump a bit better than gallies, so the port utahs gotta watch out for them. ;)

Trikes essentially got added to the list of carnivores. They eat plants, but they play like a carnivore now. They kill other herbivores, save for dryo (the only useless exception lol). Trikes are no longer the balance between an apex and a herbivore that can't fight or run.

They took away the herbivore "apex." Cuz, you know. Apexes need more help hunting things that can't fight back lol.

[Excessive Paranoia]

Nguyên văn bởi Chip-A-Saur:

A dibble can stand against "anything" BUT an apex. They're boned too, because of their speed, though, so they to fight things that choose to fight them, most times.

First of all, whats a "dibble"? I've seen people offering these eggs all day on the server I've been playing on and I still have no clue what they are talking about.

Nguyên văn bởi Nice Killer:

I've played on a no rules server and it is complete chaos and never ending drama and the entire balance of the game is cancer.

Apparently the herbi rules on official are just place holders but herbis will be hemmed down and always hated imo. They're gonna add stego which will either get nerfed to hell on/after release after some rex/giga die to them and will have some weird herd/pack limit rules attached to em.

The majority of the player base is carnivore so their voice is the loudest. If you hang around long enough you'll see the community regards herbi players as cry babies and scum lords.

The new rules are cancer too. I was playing as a trike on US2 and me and a baby trike turned a corner and a allo and para was there so I killed the allo and apparently that was mix packing lol We were literally blind sided by the situation and I reacted by targeting the biggest threat. I wasn't banned or anything just warned.

It's so confusing so I guess you just KOS herbis on adult trikes to avoid salty carni players crying foul now. I was only on a trike because it was a old leftover on an alt account I wanted to kill off to grow a another rex.

Don't play herbivore on any server. There are either rules that make it really boring or overly complicated but all of them will hem you down in some way.

The problem is that the "realism" rules servers seem to go overboard, so instead of chaos, you get this over-restricted mess... I am currently growing a rex and I happened on a smaller carnivore sitting by a downed body. At that moment I was starving to the point of taking damage so I killed the carnivore and ate both bodies, which caused the carnivore player to cry foul in global since I didn't contest the body and risk dying in a fight, while at the same time giving up on a full stomach because he could have decided to walk away and left me with 3 bites of a half eaten carcass. Then later on I came across the same situation, though I wasn't starving to the point of dying this time, and ended up losing any chance of getting fed since by the time I went to the discord to clarify whether I could attack the player, he'd finished the carcass.

I get why there are rules, but I'm really starting to get frustrated by just how pervasive the rules are. I've tried to play on 3 different unofficial servers and all of them had pages of rules and global had people complaining about rule violations the whole time I was playing. It really makes it difficult to enjoy the game when I'm constantly worried that I'm going to bite the wrong thing in the wrong order and potentially get in trouble... Its also the reason I don't know if I'll ever play a herbivore... I get that I shouldn't be out hunting for predators to kill, but if one shows up near me, that should be provocation enough to allow me to attack it. I shouldn't have to wait to be attacked and give away any initiative I might have had to the other player.

[Khanivore]

Nguyên văn bởi Excessive Paranoia:

First of all, whats a "dibble"? I've seen people offering these eggs all day on the server I've been playing on and I still have no clue what they are talking about.

Its a Diabloceratops, one of the most balanced herbs for gameplay, also has the Isles cutest babies

Some have mention the Trikes killing/threatening other Herbs, this is definitely the case now, the once meat shield of a herb group is now one more threat

One thing that can make herbs feel powerless and ultimately boring is the fact herbs on rules based servers cant attack a pred without a lot of provocation, preds of course need little to worry about with the rules as they are mostly designed to protect them from herbs

[dutchdude02]

Nguyên văn bởi hazard_83:

Partially agreed on your view, rexes are call apexes for a reason, they need to be at some point able to insert fear but not at the extend of dominating other apexes. Other apexes stand little chance in the Jaws of determine rexes pair.

The substantial downside you refer to might be the removal of bone breaking ability, even reduce the chances to 30% would significantly reduce its dominating status.

This come again to the willingness of developers to listen to other non Rex players pledges or remain its favourism to please the popular Rex players. We know many isle players are drawn to rexes dominating stats (start playing this game because of it) , once remove its advantages might upset many. Might seen some people quiting this game but for long term healthy gameplay and continuity. Something must be done else this game will be just rexes vs rexes while other enclave in their own group.

i was thinking of removing the bone break on rexs normal attack and give it a kinda clamp attack where it has to hold on to the leg to apply the bone break, this could obviously be interupted by some means by the defending dino, trike and giga could break out of the hold better than say an allo, who would have to be pretty lucky to escape at that point. no more breaking legs when rex bites your tail.

giga could have something similar, were the normal attack dosn't do much but the grab deals lots of bleed instead of bone break

if/when locational damage is a thing trike should be able face tank, literally, it's face is basically a sword and shield

[Formous]

Carnivore is definitely the most popular. Herbivore play doesn't have a lot of challenge in it, given food never fights back (yet). Carnivores, at least non-bird bathing non-rex carnivores, generally have to fight for their survival and it can be quite fun knowing you have to kill something to eat. Even if it's a AI, it's better then finding a plant and sitting there for hours.

[ᚠᛂᚿᚱᛁᚱ The Rat]

I think they need to badly rework the fighting system in it's entirety, adding grabs, collisions, better stomp mechanics and attacks, ways to dodge or defend from an attack somehow, charging for diablo and trike, pouncing and maybe tail whips. With the current fighting system the game quickly becomes boring and REALLY hard to balance mainly because of the lack of ways to defend yourself properly from attacks

[Formous]

Education is a man's best friend. Yes..the combat is part of the coming recode.

[hazard_83]

Nguyên văn bởi Formous:

Carnivore is definitely the most popular. Herbivore play doesn't have a lot of challenge in it, given food never fights back (yet). Carnivores, at least non-bird bathing non-rex carnivores, generally have to fight for their survival and it can be quite fun knowing you have to kill something to eat. Even if it's a AI, it's better then finding a plant and sitting there for hours.

Basically, carnivore need not actively seek for food, the system are design to trigger AI base on hunger level. Carnivore could just sit down watch some show and wait for AI to spawn. Ofcos one would need some intelligence to know that too many AI spawn means other predator are nearby too. So if you don't wish to compete. All you need to move on, another AI would spawn. How difficult is that? I have raise a Rex, giga, plenty of allos and dilos in that way. You need to know the rules then you are pretty safe. Herbivores are at your mercy, attack or call off the attack once things went off.

Nguyên văn bởi dutchdude02:

Nguyên văn bởi hazard_83:

Partially agreed on your view, rexes are call apexes for a reason, they need to be at some point able to insert fear but not at the extend of dominating other apexes. Other apexes stand little chance in the Jaws of determine rexes pair.

The substantial downside you refer to might be the removal of bone breaking ability, even reduce the chances to 30% would significantly reduce its dominating status.

This come again to the willingness of developers to listen to other non Rex players pledges or remain its favourism to please the popular Rex players. We know many isle players are drawn to rexes dominating stats (start playing this game because of it) , once remove its advantages might upset many. Might seen some people quiting this game but for long term healthy gameplay and continuity. Something must be done else this game will be just rexes vs rexes while other enclave in their own group.

i was thinking of removing the bone break on rexs normal attack and give it a kinda clamp attack where it has to hold on to the leg to apply the bone break, this could obviously be interupted by some means by the defending dino, trike and giga could break out of the hold better than say an allo, who would have to be pretty lucky to escape at that point. no more breaking legs when rex bites your tail.

giga could have something similar, were the normal attack dosn't do much but the grab deals lots of bleed instead of bone break

if/when locational damage is a thing trike should be able face tank, literally, it's face is basically a sword and shield

Basically just remove rexes breakbone ability or reduce it to lower chance. Add critical hits instead and slower down per bite rate. In that way, atleast some herbivore atleast have a chance to escape the jaw of rexes.

[Formous]

You do have a point. Some Carnivore players do bird bath around. And it's quite sad. However most encounters between carnivores are often violent, despite what you say. Most carnivore players however prefer to kill a player for food over a AI. They will still eat the AI, but the thrill of the hunt is what keeps those players coming back. Mind, I tend to exclude apex players. Generally the worst players in the game play the Apexs because a Apex is a bruiser that doesn't usually have to run. Meanwhile, a Carno-Calvary or Dilo assassin gank squad can be hilariously fun to hunt in, if you know what you are doing.

[therisinghero1]

I've noticed that if you're a carnivore you end up finding many more carnivores cause you're both looking for other dinos for food. While if you're a herbivore then you still find quite a few carnivores, but also a lot more herbivores than you would run into as a carnivore, i think it's because you're both looking for the same resources (bushes specifically) and another reason is that if you make noises most other herbivore players can recognise it and make their way to you while they will avoid areas they hear carnivores in.
Moral of the story: Check places with normally low carnivore populations and that have plenty of bushes, and be quiet, You'll find plenty.

[M.R. Smith]

Nguyên văn bởi Formous:

You do have a point. Some Carnivore players do bird bath around. And it's quite sad. However most encounters between carnivores are often violent, despite what you say. Most carnivore players however prefer to kill a player for food over a AI. They will still eat the AI, but the thrill of the hunt is what keeps those players coming back. Mind, I tend to exclude apex players. Generally the worst players in the game play the Apexs because a Apex is a bruiser that doesn't usually have to run. Meanwhile, a Carno-Calvary or Dilo assassin gank squad can be hilariously fun to hunt in, if you know what you are doing.

Yeah, I like to play as Utahs, but I don't really have any friends who play the game, which makes it so I can't be in a consistent pack which makes hunting players harder. Rexes are nice for me because they can easily be solitary hunters, which is good for someone with no friends.

Edit: I will 100% play as a Utah a lot more once the pounce ability is added, and I can latch onto larger prey and start attacking it.

[Zandarmon]

Nguyên văn bởi Formous:

Education is a man's best friend. Yes..the combat is part of the coming recode.

Do we know if it is coming with the recode update itself? If it is not coming with the initial recode update then I do not see it being implemented until early next year at the earliest.

[Adam__86]

Nguyên văn bởi Formous:

Education is a man's best friend. Yes..the combat is part of the coming recode.

We don't know that. All we know is development will allegedly go faster. I don't think the recode is actually adding any new gameplay features, it's all technical ♥♥♥♥. You'll be lucky to see a combat overhaul before 2020. In fact I suspect we won't be getting anything new until 2020

[Formous]

Well of course it's all technical. Its like fixing a framework. What matters is that a means exists and that has a lot to do with making a efficient way to implement the rest after the recode. Somethings will come with the recode of course, but what I personally care about comes after.