Hitboxes ("protection" against assriders)

[76561198159218213]

There has always been something wrong with them but I recently noticed that apexes like giga/rex/acro don't require much skill atm to defend themselves against smaller dinos.Well,of course they need it at some degree but it became much easier to deal with small enemies according to what i've experienced today.
I haven't played this game for 2 months or so,but once I came back I decided to play on a server with no alt.When I play as dinos like utah (btw I was playing as one) my main goal vs apexes is to get behind them and start biting their toes.It's a common tactic and it has always been easy to stay behind them for eternity since current fighting mechanic allows players to do so,but what I've experienced today was being eliminated when I was completely behind the player I was assriding while he was just biting air.Firstly I blamed ping for that even tho it was kinda good (100~),but after moving to a sandbox with my friends I was playing with earlier today we decided to test just the same situation but with almost perfect ping.What I've found out is that apexes do can kill utahs/dilos and other dinos smaller than themselves just by biting air near them while trying to turn around, up to going straight and somehow killing a player behind them.Sometimes it happens fast,sometimes it requires a number of attempts - the result is always the same (giga,acro and rex were tested).Is this some kind of a joke? I know hitboxes in this game are not great but this is way over the line:/ Small dinos never had much sense with possibility to alt-turn as every single soul in this game (unless they're in a big group and can allow themselves a couple of deaths),but now I can call them completelly useless! Dontcha tell me that my amigos and me are the only ones who have this problem with random deaths because of this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Sable]

Okay, first of all, smaller animals aren't meant to be fighting Apexes.

Second, yes, hitboxes are broken.

Third, get used to dying if you want to be challenging Apexes, because Alt Turn is going to be made into a permanent thing across the entire game.

[Człowiek Woda]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Okay, first of all, smaller animals aren't meant to be fighting Apexes.

Why?

[Sable]

Originally posted by Człowiek Woda:

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Okay, first of all, smaller animals aren't meant to be fighting Apexes.

Why?

A coyote wouldn't go at a wolf or a grizzly unless it had young, or was harassing them for food, in which case, the coyote usually dies, which would be natural selection.

It's the same thing in the isle. A 1 ton raptor going up against a 6 ton Rex? I'm not sure what exactly one would expect to happen other than the Rex stomping the raptor.

That's why it's called an Apex. By definition, it is a predator with no natural predators of its own.

Unless Utahraptor has a pack, and until it gets its pounce mechanic, it has no chance against a Rex.

The agility of smaller creatures isn't for fighting bigger enemies, it's for escaping them. Running at a Rex is the opposite of escaping, which is why it doesn't work.

[[Ravenous]]

I’ll just leave this ine here too, for good measure:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LUTQbvjUx-s


According to clips of Foszor talking about the percieved hitbox problem and explaining how ping and response-times from the servers are the cause of the issue. On the official discord, they wrote that he believes that the recode will adress those problems.

Clip here:

https://clips.twitch.tv/MildCuteGarageLitFam

And here:

https://clips.twitch.tv/FilthyTriangularBoarNononoCat

[roger.merrell]

Everyone says animals don't attack like this or that . yes that's true u don't see a rabbit attacking a lion. But I always never seen a anmils 8 tons spin on 1 foot 360 . there nothing real about most games and much same here . I have humans with dinosaurs and modern technology buildings and guns coming and God knows what . so wish people stop saying u would not see this in the wild . yeah your right would never see this type stuff . all this dinos are human players and if someone wants to attack a apex with a rabbit so be it . more likely will die . but it's there choice . if that's what makes the game for them so be it . more apexs then anything anyways lol .

[76561198159218213]

Originally posted by roger.merrell:

Everyone says animals don't attack like this or that . yes that's true u don't see a rabbit attacking a lion. But I always never seen a anmils 8 tons spin on 1 foot 360 . there nothing real about most games and much same here . I have humans with dinosaurs and modern technology buildings and guns coming and God knows what . so wish people stop saying u would not see this in the wild . yeah your right would never see this type stuff . all this dinos are human players and if someone wants to attack a apex with a rabbit so be it . more likely will die . but it's there choice . if that's what makes the game for them so be it . more apexs then anything anyways lol .

There are always going to be people talking about realism,especially small dinos vs apexes.It's a game where trikes will keep chasing rexes as if they were the hunters,where herbs and carnis will group up with each other and etc. until devs do something about that (or not).Same with those who play as smaller dinos,they don't wanna eat bots just because it's realistic,what kind of gameplay is this? If game mechanics allow them to hunt these fat bags of meat - why not,it's up to them whether they wanna risk it or not.Up to that day apexes were my common prey while hunting in a group of my own species,well now I give up on this activity 'cause dying to an "air-bite" is much worse rather than to a player who actually know what they're doing.Welp,gonna wait until something is done with that since now I don't find any sence fighting more dangerous and bigger dinos than you are because I feel like not only apexes have such ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hitboxes simply according to those videos above

[Lyskir]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Okay, first of all, smaller animals aren't meant to be fighting Apexes.

Second, yes, hitboxes are broken.

Third, get used to dying if you want to be challenging Apexes, because Alt Turn is going to be made into a permanent thing across the entire game.

so apexe should not have a counter or what? and dont come and say * uhhh other apexe kill apexe* no, they dont and we all know it, they rather run from each other than fight


there is a reason every server is infested with apexe and mid/ low tier dino are a rare sight and i hope it will change in the future

i dont have a problem with altturn in general but the speed some dinos have is just hidious, every altturn should be slowed down to trike alt turn + the recode of course and boom u will see the apex population at least decrease a little bit because they can actually be killed by a pack of low/mid tier dinos...this will balance the server and everyone will have more fun than just running around as a lonely...uhm dilo i dont know and u just find rexes and giga around every corner, where is the fun in that??

[Sable]

Originally posted by Lyskir:

so apexe should not have a counter or what? and dont come and say * uhhh other apexe kill apexe* no, they dont and we all know it, they rather run from each other than fight


there is a reason every server is infested with apexe and mid/ low tier dino are a rare sight and i hope it will change in the future

Utahs pounce, Dilo's bleed, Mercs with guns, Deinosuchus, Tribals with Spears, all could counter Apexes, but the problem isn't how hard it is to fight Apexes as adults, it's what it takes to get them.

An Apex SHOULD be insanely hard to kill, if at all possible, with smaller dinos. But that means that in order to achieve a full grown Apex, it should be the most challenging animal to grow.

Originally posted by roger.merrell:

. But I always never seen a anmils 8 tons spin on 1 foot 360

There's no animation for Alt Turn yet. That much should be obvious to tell just by looking at the mechanic in play. I doubt that its difficult for any animal to figure out how to put one foot backward and turn.