Alberto

[Prussian]

Does anyone think the devs even care about the Alberto? The animations on it are atrocious and I've heard nothing in terms of a rework. I love the idea of a quick apex and its roars are absolutely fantastic!

[Shot'em]

Pretty sure it's getting the AI treatment, mate. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news.

[Boomdiver]

the reasoning behind Alberto not coming in as a Survival playable is because Sub-Rex is supposed to fill that role. Yet, I've only heard bad things about Sub Rex matchups against other Mid Tiers.

Alberto on the other hand, is a monster in among similar sized carnivores. Actually, most Sandbox creatures terribly outclass their Survival niche counterparts, and Alberto is one of them. It 4 shots a Cerato, and I think its 5 bites for an Allo. This is really one of the reasons why so many people would rather see X Sandbox Dino instead of X Survival Dino.

Velo, for example, outclasses Juvie Utah in speed, agility, camoflauge, hunger/thirst time, and how well it travels due to its trot. This is why more people hate Juvie Utah than they do Velo, even JU is supposed to fill Velo's niche in Survival.

I'm sure people wouldn't ask for Alberto and other Sandbox dinos that are already similar to those in Survival if Sub Rex was more akin to it. I rarely hear good things about Sub Rex the way it currently is.

[Kassirex]

Ninjas right about most if not all sandbox critters out match the full game dinos in some regard if not all regards which makes it hard to transition from sandbox to full game especially if a tier has a supposed equal, but personally thats partly why i think that, if its no being made ai cause as far as i know the acro is suppose to get ai, that the alberto needs a complete animations and model overhaul and make it a rival for the sub rex/carno and nerf it slightly so that its more in line with the others in its tier, but like i said IF, and thats a big IF, it isnt just going in to ai, which would suck to me personally cause i love alberto in and ouside of the Isle and id love to see justice done for it and it get a survival spot but again.
BIG IF

and like you Prussian i love the alberto sounds and i hope that they keep the creature on just so we still have its sounds

[Jurassic Bird]

Let’s face it, Albertosaurus was made only as a lab rat to test the rig copy from one model to another as it was the first dinosaur to be made that way (It’s entire animation set was taken from sub rex.) and it was supposed to be in progression as the early tier before rex. Alas, it was made just in the time of devs changing their mind from progression to survival, so that made its existence still in the limbo or what to do next with it. Cerato met similar fate but eventually was lucky enough to be given a chance to be something of its own.

[SkBonez]

From what I’ve heard at least a few of the devs actually really like Albertosaurus, particularly dondi. The issues is that it was put in with the progression mode in mind, and now that they’ve switched over to survival they’re struggling to find a spot for it outside of ai.
As for it being superior to sub rex, I’ve heard sub rexes are monsters by mid tier standards but only somewhere after 90%-95% growth, before that they do kinda suck.

[EdvonSchleck]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

the reasoning behind Alberto not coming in as a Survival playable is because Sub-Rex is supposed to fill that role. Yet, I've only heard bad things about Sub Rex matchups against other Mid Tiers.

Alberto on the other hand, is a monster in among similar sized carnivores. Actually, most Sandbox creatures terribly outclass their Survival niche counterparts, and Alberto is one of them. It 4 shots a Cerato, and I think its 5 bites for an Allo. This is really one of the reasons why so many people would rather see X Sandbox Dino instead of X Survival Dino.

Velo, for example, outclasses Juvie Utah in speed, agility, camoflauge, hunger/thirst time, and how well it travels due to its trot. This is why more people hate Juvie Utah than they do Velo, even JU is supposed to fill Velo's niche in Survival.

I'm sure people wouldn't ask for Alberto and other Sandbox dinos that are already similar to those in Survival if Sub Rex was more akin to it. I rarely hear good things about Sub Rex the way it currently is.

Sub Rex is fairly self-sufficient throughout its entire life cycle. It's actually fun. In fact at 1.0 its a fkn monster. 4000HP, 450N, stellar speed, stamina, stam recovery and fairly good turn and Alt-turn. Though its lacklustre weight at around 2.9 tonnes prevents it from flat out curbstomping all non-apexes like Alberto would. Only Suchos and Diablos can make for a somewhat close matchup (double checked, Sucho and Sub Rex both need 10 hits, Diablo gets dunked on). But you can fix this by landing your hits and not letting yourself get chased around. Adult apexes? They eat your dust.

In that sense Sub Rex plays almost like Alberto, its just not quite as broken. Sadly it is woefully underappreciated given that its overshadowed by its adult version. Which is good and bad. Bad because the niche remains largely unfilled. Good because people aren't used to coming across 1.0 Subs so most players will underestimate you and literally walk into your mouth.

[Boomdiver]

Originally posted by wunderbar:

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

the reasoning behind Alberto not coming in as a Survival playable is because Sub-Rex is supposed to fill that role. Yet, I've only heard bad things about Sub Rex matchups against other Mid Tiers.

Alberto on the other hand, is a monster in among similar sized carnivores. Actually, most Sandbox creatures terribly outclass their Survival niche counterparts, and Alberto is one of them. It 4 shots a Cerato, and I think its 5 bites for an Allo. This is really one of the reasons why so many people would rather see X Sandbox Dino instead of X Survival Dino.

Velo, for example, outclasses Juvie Utah in speed, agility, camoflauge, hunger/thirst time, and how well it travels due to its trot. This is why more people hate Juvie Utah than they do Velo, even JU is supposed to fill Velo's niche in Survival.

I'm sure people wouldn't ask for Alberto and other Sandbox dinos that are already similar to those in Survival if Sub Rex was more akin to it. I rarely hear good things about Sub Rex the way it currently is.

Sub Rex is fairly self-sufficient throughout its entire life cycle. It's actually fun. In fact at 1.0 its a fkn monster. 4000HP, 450N, stellar speed, stamina, stam recovery and fairly good turn and Alt-turn. Only its lacklustre weight at around 2.9 tonnes prevents it from flat out curbstomping all non-apexes like Alberto would. Though really only Suchos and Diablos can make for a somewhat close matchup. But you can fix this by landing your hits and not letting yourself get chased around. Adult apexes? They eat your dust.

In that sense Sub Rex plays almost like Alberto, its just not quite as broken. Sadly it is woefully underappreciated given that its overshadowed by its adult version. Which is good and bad. Bad because the niche remains largely unfilled. Good because people aren't used to coming across 1.0 Subs so most players will underestimate you and literally walk into your mouth.

Interesting. I rarely see a successful Sub Rex. Against Allos, Carnos, or even Utahs, I usually see them get torn to shreds. Albertos in Deathmatch on the other hand...

It depends on the player as well, I suppose

[EdvonSchleck]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Originally posted by wunderbar:

Sub Rex is fairly self-sufficient throughout its entire life cycle. It's actually fun. In fact at 1.0 its a fkn monster. 4000HP, 450N, stellar speed, stamina, stam recovery and fairly good turn and Alt-turn. Only its lacklustre weight at around 2.9 tonnes prevents it from flat out curbstomping all non-apexes like Alberto would. Though really only Suchos and Diablos can make for a somewhat close matchup. But you can fix this by landing your hits and not letting yourself get chased around. Adult apexes? They eat your dust.

In that sense Sub Rex plays almost like Alberto, its just not quite as broken. Sadly it is woefully underappreciated given that its overshadowed by its adult version. Which is good and bad. Bad because the niche remains largely unfilled. Good because people aren't used to coming across 1.0 Subs so most players will underestimate you and literally walk into your mouth.

Interesting. I rarely see a successful Sub Rex. Against Allos, Carnos, or even Utahs, I usually see them get torn to shreds. Albertos in Deathmatch on the other hand...

It depends on the player as well, I suppose

They're probably still small. At full you outright curbstomp Allos and Ceratos. I've literally chased down Carnos who came in to attack me. You can keep up and while you're bleed isn't great it is decent enough to make em sweat when they are forced to run for extended periods. Your Alt is so good you will tear Utahs a new one if they attempt to ride you. They go down instantly. Same with Dilo.

[Darth Absentis]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

the reasoning behind Alberto not coming in as a Survival playable is because Sub-Rex is supposed to fill that role. Yet, I've only heard bad things about Sub Rex matchups against other Mid Tiers.

Alberto on the other hand, is a monster in among similar sized carnivores. Actually, most Sandbox creatures terribly outclass their Survival niche counterparts, and Alberto is one of them. It 4 shots a Cerato, and I think its 5 bites for an Allo. This is really one of the reasons why so many people would rather see X Sandbox Dino instead of X Survival Dino.

Velo, for example, outclasses Juvie Utah in speed, agility, camoflauge, hunger/thirst time, and how well it travels due to its trot. This is why more people hate Juvie Utah than they do Velo, even JU is supposed to fill Velo's niche in Survival.

I'm sure people wouldn't ask for Alberto and other Sandbox dinos that are already similar to those in Survival if Sub Rex was more akin to it. I rarely hear good things about Sub Rex the way it currently is.

i hate the idea to be honest that juvis and subadults are intended to be their own ecosystem with no competition from anything else that compares to it....pretty much defeats the idea of their being a struggle, since statisticly, anything that then makes it past that stage without dying and is smart enough to avoid the apex predators and the most powerful so called mid tiers like the allo and sucho, will then thus be juvi, soon to become adult dinosaurs of those big ones, making them thus easy to get statisticly.

Originally posted by SkBonez:

From what I’ve heard at least a few of the devs actually really like Albertosaurus, particularly dondi. The issues is that it was put in with the progression mode in mind, and now that they’ve switched over to survival they’re struggling to find a spot for it outside of ai.

are they insane ? the albertosaurus in real life is pretty much closest overly well known dinosaur to what everyone wants the cerato to be !

Originally posted by Kassirex:

Ninjas right about most if not all sandbox critters out match the full game dinos in some regard if not all regards which makes it hard to transition from sandbox to full game especially if a tier has a supposed equal, but personally thats partly why i think that, if its no being made ai cause as far as i know the acro is suppose to get ai, that the alberto needs a complete animations and model overhaul and make it a rival for the sub rex/carno and nerf it slightly so that its more in line with the others in its tier, but like i said IF, and thats a big IF, it isnt just going in to ai, which would suck to me personally cause i love alberto in and ouside of the Isle and id love to see justice done for it and it get a survival spot but again.
BIG IF

and like you Prussian i love the alberto sounds and i hope that they keep the creature on just so we still have its sounds

if after all this time, they do not realize that changing stats is the way to balance things out better, i do not feel like they have the right midset

just saying, even primitiver shooters like call of duty 4 had more then 30 different weapons in their arsenal...and more crazy creative games like mgs4 had more then 50 of them

all they need to do is go a bit crazy with their ♥♥♥♥ and really fill up some niches they did not even think where there.

especially when inventing a game that takes a lot of liberty with realism, you are kinda expected to know how to spice up things a lot and implement variation.

Sure, we will get aquatic dinosaurs which should all suck more on land then their comparable counterparts in regards of speed...and probably water drain, but how about turning things upside down and give some dinosaurs that barely need water ?

sure we have some slight variation of dinosaurs with a bit more night vision, but how about having dinosaurs that actually see worse in light and maybe do not even see color, while having actually such a good night vision, they can see things quite clearly from across the river looking over titan lake at the darkest moments of night ?

sure we have all those herbivores eating one species of plant, but how about herbivores actually eating all kinds of things, and some after a certain growth stage specializing in certain vegetation ?

why can we not have omnivores ?

why can we not have an egg thief ?

could we actually have a dino that puts their egg in a nest if it destroys all other eggs and fills said nest with food, and those young have a slow digestion, do not need a lot of food, and are in some sort of god mode towards the owners of the nest, who can not destroy it, untill they actually are raised up and can run the hell out of there ?

how about an aquatic herbivore ?
No, i can not think of any, but is inventing something now and then just to make the overall game more interesting, not something the developers are claimed to be good at ?

mountain climbing dinosaurs that can latch and climb steeper cliffs ? maybe even trees ?

Originally posted by wunderbar:

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Interesting. I rarely see a successful Sub Rex. Against Allos, Carnos, or even Utahs, I usually see them get torn to shreds. Albertos in Deathmatch on the other hand...

It depends on the player as well, I suppose

They're probably still small. At full you outright curbstomp Allos and Ceratos. I've literally chased down Carnos who came in to attack me. You can keep up and while you're bleed isn't great it is decent enough to make em sweat when they are forced to run for extended periods. Your Alt is so good you will tear Utahs a new one if they attempt to ride you. They go down instantly. Same with Dilo.

untill the moment you can nearly one shot and at least 2 shot a dilo and a utah, taking up a pack of those...and they are generally in a pack, will be kinda suicidal or nearly suicidal

things only become interesting after 0.880 growth, and you can only truely beat allosaurus consistently after 0.937 as a subadult rex, though after about .900, things will actually be really interesting against other non apex carnivores in general

in the very last minutes of being a rex subadult, you even have a decent chance against a suchomimus.

edit: and yea, the latest sub adult rex stage...between .950 and .999 growth is a monster on its own and perfectly balanced if it where its own thing.

good stam good speed and powerful, pretty much a faster suchomimus with somewhat worse hunger, but not overpowered, as it could actually not keep up with an allosaur if that one spots it earlier enough, yet could maybe fight off 2 allosaurs vs 1 if it needed too

[Kassirex]

i like your thinking darth it would be nice if we had more divers tiers and things like ominnores nests other dinos can rob tree climbing and all that stuff

also thiink night vision should change, like having it like it was (old night vision) when it was more like a filter and have it tailored to each dino, but fix the amount of how fkn bright it is.

also an aquatic herb would be LURDUSARUS

hopefully with recode almost done and it promising alot we might see some changes

edit: i think swim depth should be deeper across board i find it silly that some dinos like utah swim start swimin when water around their knees

[dutchdude02]

Originally posted by Kassirex:

also an aquatic herb would be LURDUSARUS

more aquatic/semi aquatic would be cool

[Dmv6]

Y'know with the whole dynamic growth feature that Dondi has shown in a couple of recent streams, Alberto still could potentially make it in and carve a more solidified niche. That is if its really something they are full on planning to implement.

[Kassirex]

true

honestly id just like to have more survival choices avalible to us for the game and a point i might make to try and really push it home if the devs didnt want more diverse tiers they would be scraping the acro and bary which are pretty much in the same boat as the alberto

[Darth Absentis]

Originally posted by Kassirex:

i like your thinking darth it would be nice if we had more divers tiers and things like ominnores nests other dinos can rob tree climbing and all that stuff

also thiink night vision should change, like having it like it was (old night vision) when it was more like a filter and have it tailored to each dino, but fix the amount of how fkn bright it is.

also an aquatic herb would be LURDUSARUS

hopefully with recode almost done and it promising alot we might see some changes

edit: i think swim depth should be deeper across board i find it silly that some dinos like utah swim start swimin when water around their knees

Interesting, must say i had not heard about the lurdusaurus yet.
tnx for sharing, even though i feel a small typo seemed to have slipped into your post i'm afraid.

Originally posted by Kassirex:

true

honestly id just like to have more survival choices avalible to us for the game and a point i might make to try and really push it home if the devs didnt want more diverse tiers they would be scraping the acro and bary which are pretty much in the same boat as the alberto

i really hope they aren't all become more ai.

If i want most dinosaurs to be ai in a dinosaur related game and end up dealing more with ai instead of a other people playing as fun, balanced dinosaurs, i might as well go and play "ark" and never return to this game.

[Kassirex]

XD lol

yeah it be really shame if we dont see at least some sand box get into survival in the future