Why is suchomimus so slow?

[iglu]

Research shows that suchomimus could reach 35 km / h on land and that in the water was an extremely agile animal, thus making it a great fisherman.

Currently we can't hunt practically anything with the current suchomimus. And i think the biggest problem is your agility and speed. Apexes are a big problem because their speeds are pretty much comparative.

Recently i was watching a video which was why i created this topic. A hippo weighing 3 to 4 tons, capable of incredible speeds in and out of the water.

like this example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=Su7GkqwxG08

With the arrival of deinosuchus and spino in survival, suchomimus will be virtually unplayable. Therefore, as a big fan of aquatic and semi aquatic dinosaurs I believe it is fair to increase your speed in and out of water. So that he is able to escape, and even confront larger dinosaurs.

A thousand apologies for the bad English.

[Pablo Croft]

Don't forget this is a video game. They have broken many real life rules in their fictional universe.

[iglu]

Originally posted by Chip-A-Saur:

Don't forget this is a video game. They have broken many real life rules in their fictional universe.

But it makes no sense. Other dinosaurs twice their weight (apex) at the same speed and in case rex is faster than him.

[Ulfkarl]

Originally posted by Chip-A-Saur:

Don't forget this is a video game. They have broken many real life rules in their fictional universe.

so why they made carno slim and fast? cerato small and crap? because of real life, so why not make a real life sucho too?

[Why Watt]

I mean if you want to propose a Sucho speed buff, that's fine but you need to understand the ripple effect. Don't get me wrong, being outsped and overpowered by apexes while lacking agility to outmaneuver is iffy at best, crippling at worse.

However, Suchomimus' current speed is with consideration to what is within it's tier - Mid Tiers.

Diabloceratops, Allosaurus and Parasaurolophus would all be pretty massively outsped and overpowered by Suchomimus if it was faster than them in a straight-run, hence why it is slower. You'd either need to buff all of their speeds or rebalance how powerful Suchomimus is, a tradeoff.

[iglu]

Originally posted by Harry Nurppelz:

The recode will bring much better water related mechanics(along with fish to eat) that will allow the sucho to be a much better survivor. No terrestrial predators will be able to catch it in the water.

But your current speed will not defend you from deinos and spinos. I hope there is a balance between them.

[Ulfkarl]

Originally posted by Why Watt:

I mean if you want to propose a Sucho speed buff, that's fine but you need to understand the ripple effect. Don't get me wrong, being outsped and overpowered by apexes while lacking agility to outmaneuver is iffy at best, crippling at worse.

However, Suchomimus' current speed is with consideration to what is within it's tier - Mid Tiers.

Diabloceratops, Allosaurus and Parasaurolophus would all be pretty massively outsped and overpowered by Suchomimus if it was faster than them in a straight-run, hence why it is slower. You'd either need to buff all of their speeds or rebalance how powerful Suchomimus is, a tradeoff.

Agree, the best way to fix this balance problem would be a rework in apexes speed instead

[iglu]

Originally posted by Why Watt:

I mean if you want to propose a Sucho speed buff, that's fine but you need to understand the ripple effect. Don't get me wrong, being outsped and overpowered by apexes while lacking agility to outmaneuver is iffy at best, crippling at worse.

However, Suchomimus' current speed is with consideration to what is within it's tier - Mid Tiers.

Diabloceratops, Allosaurus and Parasaurolophus would all be pretty massively outsped and overpowered by Suchomimus if it was faster than them in a straight-run, hence why it is slower. You'd either need to buff all of their speeds or rebalance how powerful Suchomimus is, a tradeoff.

Have you tried to hunt an allo with one? Suchomimus has incridible but unnecessary resistance. It makes sense in water but not outside. Your attack position is ridiculous, can't get close to anything. I say this as a wise player. How is it possible to hunt something like this? Just like the apex he needs the element of surprise to succeed.

[iglu]

Honestly, the minimum and maximum speed system in the game was very poorly made, so we have several related issues. It's just my opinion, and that's why I believe it's something to be reworked.

[Jurassic Bird]

The rework for Sucho coming after recode will probably center around water mechanism that Sucho is said to be going to be very excellent in it. It would be made much more aquatic than the current one, able to swim fast and properly dive underwater, also with fish and other aquatic preys for it to feed upon.

So, its speed is probably not gonna be made any much different considering it is planned to spend most of its time in water anyway.

[Sable]

Originally posted by iglu:

Honestly, the minimum and maximum speed system in the game was very poorly made, so we have several related issues. It's just my opinion, and that's why I believe it's something to be reworked.

Agreed. There are several animals that should be faster and some that should be slower. The smaller and weaker, the faster they should be, with the only exceptions to be Carno and Galli.

As for the topic if Suchomimus should be faster, OP has to understand that Sucho isn't meant to be a predator that hunts on land. It's a piscivore, but for some reason, the devs decided to toss it into Survival without the system which its whole lifestyle is centered around: fishing.

Once fish are in (maybe 1 or 2 years from now) Sucho isn't going to need to be chasing down anything. It's going be dunking its face into water and snapping up the fish.

[beebee73]

Originally posted by iglu:

Research shows that suchomimus could reach 35 km / h on land and that in the water was an extremely agile animal, thus making it a great fisherman.

Currently we can't hunt practically anything with the current suchomimus. And i think the biggest problem is your agility and speed. Apexes are a big problem because their speeds are pretty much comparative.

Recently i was watching a video which was why i created this topic. A hippo weighing 3 to 4 tons, capable of incredible speeds in and out of the water.

like this example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=Su7GkqwxG08

With the arrival of deinosuchus and spino in survival, suchomimus will be virtually unplayable. Therefore, as a big fan of aquatic and semi aquatic dinosaurs I believe it is fair to increase your speed in and out of water. So that he is able to escape, and even confront larger dinosaurs.

A thousand apologies for the bad English.

Bummer :( I was thinking about trying one of these guys next...but I have a hard enough time with AI as it is....so maybe should wait a bit before trying one...unless get nested in.

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Originally posted by iglu:

Honestly, the minimum and maximum speed system in the game was very poorly made, so we have several related issues. It's just my opinion, and that's why I believe it's something to be reworked.

Agreed. There are several animals that should be faster and some that should be slower. The smaller and weaker, the faster they should be, with the only exceptions to be Carno and Galli.

As for the topic if Suchomimus should be faster, OP has to understand that Sucho isn't meant to be a predator that hunts on land. It's a piscivore, but for some reason, the devs decided to toss it into Survival without the system which its whole lifestyle is centered around: fishing.

Once fish are in (maybe 1 or 2 years from now) Sucho isn't going to need to be chasing down anything. It's going be dunking its face into water and snapping up the fish.

Sorta too bad they didn't hold off on fisher dinos then until there was actual fish to be caught and eaten :(
Is it that hard for a Sucho to catch other dinos? As said above haven't yet actually tried this dino yet.

[iglu]

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Originally posted by iglu:

Honestly, the minimum and maximum speed system in the game was very poorly made, so we have several related issues. It's just my opinion, and that's why I believe it's something to be reworked.

Agreed. There are several animals that should be faster and some that should be slower. The smaller and weaker, the faster they should be, with the only exceptions to be Carno and Galli.

As for the topic if Suchomimus should be faster, OP has to understand that Sucho isn't meant to be a predator that hunts on land. It's a piscivore, but for some reason, the devs decided to toss it into Survival without the system which its whole lifestyle is centered around: fishing.

Once fish are in (maybe 1 or 2 years from now) Sucho isn't going to need to be chasing down anything. It's going be dunking its face into water and snapping up the fish.

This is precisely the problem, there is no suitable environment for
the suchomimus, it is totally dependent on hunting on land, and its current situation doesn't collaborate with it. Let's wait for the recode, and see what will eventually happen.

[iglu]

Originally posted by beebee73:

Originally posted by iglu:

Research shows that suchomimus could reach 35 km / h on land and that in the water was an extremely agile animal, thus making it a great fisherman.

Currently we can't hunt practically anything with the current suchomimus. And i think the biggest problem is your agility and speed. Apexes are a big problem because their speeds are pretty much comparative.

Recently i was watching a video which was why i created this topic. A hippo weighing 3 to 4 tons, capable of incredible speeds in and out of the water.

like this example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=Su7GkqwxG08

With the arrival of deinosuchus and spino in survival, suchomimus will be virtually unplayable. Therefore, as a big fan of aquatic and semi aquatic dinosaurs I believe it is fair to increase your speed in and out of water. So that he is able to escape, and even confront larger dinosaurs.

A thousand apologies for the bad English.

Bummer :( I was thinking about trying one of these guys next...but I have a hard enough time with AI as it is....so maybe should wait a bit before trying one...unless get nested in.

Originally posted by Ninja_.Weasel:

Agreed. There are several animals that should be faster and some that should be slower. The smaller and weaker, the faster they should be, with the only exceptions to be Carno and Galli.

As for the topic if Suchomimus should be faster, OP has to understand that Sucho isn't meant to be a predator that hunts on land. It's a piscivore, but for some reason, the devs decided to toss it into Survival without the system which its whole lifestyle is centered around: fishing.

Once fish are in (maybe 1 or 2 years from now) Sucho isn't going to need to be chasing down anything. It's going be dunking its face into water and snapping up the fish.

Sorta too bad they didn't hold off on fisher dinos then until there was actual fish to be caught and eaten :(
Is it that hard for a Sucho to catch other dinos? As said above haven't yet actually tried this dino yet.

It is very difficult, it has a maximum running speed of a giga. His trot is horrible, and his attack position is pitiful, anything can escape. Even if your bleeding is good, you can't chase your prey.

[beebee73]

So not recommended for someone new & just learning the game?

[iglu]

Originally posted by beebee73:

So not recommended for someone new & just learning the game?

I personally don't recommend it, especially on servers that do not have alt+turn