Herbs are too strong

[Loloelphenomeno]

I don't know if i'm the only one, but herbs are pretty much stronger than carns...

I mean a simple diablo can handle an allo and the difference is huge in term of points (double to prog as allo)...

Plus, it's so difficult to play carns because servs are perma lagging (one sec at 55 ping and one second later 258 ping) and because of that you can't hunt...

I hope solutions will be find in the very next future because this is a bit ridiculous how easy it is for the herbs...

Sorry for my english

[Kekor]

Originally posted by Jagore:

Thats pretty accruate to real life. Herbivores are giant bricks of muscle and bone. Carnivores generally avoid a large herbivore thats in good health. Its why they go for the young, the old, and the sick. Because a healthy bull whatever will ♥♥♥♥ them up head to head.

Its worth noting that herbivores are also much slower then carnivores in the isle So generally they can't go on the offense, with maybe the exception of a shant just out endurancing a carnivore. I've had those things almost catch me a few times.

Overall I don't think its a huge deal. Carnivores can ambush and get a bite on herbivores before they have time to react and get into a defensive position. Depending on the herbivore the front or the rear are going to be relatively vulnerable. Predators also should act oppertunisticly and well predatory. That means punching below your wieghtclass, not at or above it. This makes up for the fact that there are currently no young herbivores running around (hopefully fixed with survival) and herbies dont age into weakness and vulnerability since that would suck. Herbivores also have a much easier time finding friends and rounding out their weaknesses with other species then carnivores do, so teamplay is far more common though it pays off more when carnivores do pack hunt since herbies can't usually defend both sides of themselves in most cases.

I think players struggling with carnviores against herbies are missing the mentality of what a carnivore is. They are sneaky and oppertunistic. They ambush and hit and run. They prey on the weak and scavange when needed. They use terrain to conceal even the largest species they can become. When I was playing my carnotaurus before it got wiped thats how I survived against mega packs and bigger preds. I was aware of my surroundings and took what I could get and generally I was only killing things a tier or two below me. Otherwise I scavanged when I thought it was safe to do so.

Carnivores by Nature have more muscle than herbivores. look at our modern day equivilants. take a look at a cow. solid muscle? hardly it's nothing but fat it eats grass and other plants no insource of protein to help it build muscle and all it does all day is graze food or slightl migrate. Cow not a fair example? fine lets look at stronger herbivores for example elephants yes they're stronger right? well yes they are but still they just graze and migrate in fact if a elephant were to fall down it wouldn't be able to pick itself back up becuase it doesn't have enough muscle to deal with it's bulk. meanwhile you'll have Lions that will hunt and kill solo elephants. why do they have to be solo? becuase a pack of herbivores is what's scarey not a single elephant. and given the chance the elephants run from predetors except in the case of the bulls or alpha's of the packs that will give their lives to defend the pack. or in a lot of cases protect the bulk of the pack and leave the predators to prey on the smallest or weakest elephant that's lacking behind. not becuase the predators couldn't handle something healthier but becuase the elephants are tryint to protect the bulk of the herd and they don't have the will to go defend the stragglers. Carnivores by nature are heavier and thicker muscled reference any big cat they're solid muscle and will attack things 2-3-4x their height and weight for a meal. and their diets are full of protein to keep them lean and strong.

While Some Carnivores are ambush predators they don't have to be. they ambush to surprise the herbivores and split them apart they ambush becuase it's their instinct to do so. Once the herd is split the herbivores don't stand a chance 1v1 or even 2v1. Gazelles and zebra don't chase lions away unless they're in a herd and stampeding and even then the Lions won't run a lot of the time they'll move to the outskirts and pick a few off 1 by 1.

Look at the skeleton of a T-Rex imagine that being filled with solid muscle then take a look at these overgrown cows as herbivores and tell me that T-Rex would'nt be able to take on something half its size. or in the case of the Isle 3 T-rex's not being able to take on something half their size.

[RedForce]

Originally posted by Jagore:

Carnivores by Nature have more muscle than herbivores. look at our modern day equivilants. take a look at a cow. solid muscle? hardly it's nothing but fat it eats grass and other plants no insource of protein to help it build muscle and all it does all day is graze food or slightl migrate. Cow not a fair example? fine lets look at stronger herbivores for example elephants yes they're stronger right? well yes they are but still they just graze and migrate in fact if a elephant were to fall down it wouldn't be able to pick itself back up becuase it doesn't have enough muscle to deal with it's bulk. meanwhile you'll have Lions that will hunt and kill solo elephants. why do they have to be solo? becuase a pack of herbivores is what's scarey not a single elephant. and given the chance the elephants run from predetors except in the case of the bulls or alpha's of the packs that will give their lives to defend the pack. or in a lot of cases protect the bulk of the pack and leave the predators to prey on the smallest or weakest elephant that's lacking behind. not becuase the predators couldn't handle something healthier but becuase the elephants are tryint to protect the bulk of the herd and they don't have the will to go defend the stragglers. Carnivores by nature are heavier and thicker muscled reference any big cat they're solid muscle and will attack things 2-3-4x their height and weight for a meal. and their diets are full of protein to keep them lean and strong.

While Some Carnivores are ambush predators they don't have to be. they ambush to surprise the herbivores and split them apart they ambush becuase it's their instinct to do so. Once the herd is split the herbivores don't stand a chance 1v1 or even 2v1. Gazelles and zebra don't chase lions away unless they're in a herd and stampeding and even then the Lions won't run a lot of the time they'll move to the outskirts and pick a few off 1 by 1.

Look at the skeleton of a T-Rex imagine that being filled with solid muscle then take a look at these overgrown cows as herbivores and tell me that T-Rex would'nt be able to take on something half its size. or in the case of the Isle 3 T-rex's not being able to take on something half their size.

I do not see a lion facetanking a elephant tho...

[Kekor]

Originally posted by RedForce:

Originally posted by Jagore:

Carnivores by Nature have more muscle than herbivores. look at our modern day equivilants. take a look at a cow. solid muscle? hardly it's nothing but fat it eats grass and other plants no insource of protein to help it build muscle and all it does all day is graze food or slightl migrate. Cow not a fair example? fine lets look at stronger herbivores for example elephants yes they're stronger right? well yes they are but still they just graze and migrate in fact if a elephant were to fall down it wouldn't be able to pick itself back up becuase it doesn't have enough muscle to deal with it's bulk. meanwhile you'll have Lions that will hunt and kill solo elephants. why do they have to be solo? becuase a pack of herbivores is what's scarey not a single elephant. and given the chance the elephants run from predetors except in the case of the bulls or alpha's of the packs that will give their lives to defend the pack. or in a lot of cases protect the bulk of the pack and leave the predators to prey on the smallest or weakest elephant that's lacking behind. not becuase the predators couldn't handle something healthier but becuase the elephants are tryint to protect the bulk of the herd and they don't have the will to go defend the stragglers. Carnivores by nature are heavier and thicker muscled reference any big cat they're solid muscle and will attack things 2-3-4x their height and weight for a meal. and their diets are full of protein to keep them lean and strong.

While Some Carnivores are ambush predators they don't have to be. they ambush to surprise the herbivores and split them apart they ambush becuase it's their instinct to do so. Once the herd is split the herbivores don't stand a chance 1v1 or even 2v1. Gazelles and zebra don't chase lions away unless they're in a herd and stampeding and even then the Lions won't run a lot of the time they'll move to the outskirts and pick a few off 1 by 1.

Look at the skeleton of a T-Rex imagine that being filled with solid muscle then take a look at these overgrown cows as herbivores and tell me that T-Rex would'nt be able to take on something half its size. or in the case of the Isle 3 T-rex's not being able to take on something half their size.

I do not see a lion facetanking a elephant tho...

A Elephant is 10x the size of a Lion. is anything 10x the size of a t-rex? the Long neck and that's really it isn't it. so yes while a T-rex shouldnt be able to face tank a long neck and indeed it can't it should be able to facetank everything else that is smaller than it. including shants which it can't.

You see Lions facetanking zebras dont you? and they're taller aren't they? Carnivores in reality "Facetank" things the same size as it all the time and do so without fear.

[Jagore]

They don't really face tank healthy adults if they can help it though. A kick to the head from modern day herbivores can easily shatter bone. If given the chance a lion will always go for the weakest possible member. Predators are also much more skittish then herbivores and prefer to not fight things willing to fight back. Its why when something is eyeing you in the woods you stare it down and don't run from it, you back away slowly. Predators need thier bodies to catch prey, so getting injured is devestating to them. Herbivores just need to ♥♥♥♥ around in a field to eat so injury isnt quite as bad. So predators won't risk injury if a fight looks dicey. Herbivores will go beserk. Thats why deer, hippos, rhinos, water bufflo, moose and bison all kill more people then the respective carnivores in those enviroments.

[Evil Minіоn]

Lions don't "facetank" and if they do they tend to get their asses kicked. They either go for a quick knockout (like a throat bite) or pounce their prey.

In general if carnivores realize their prey is healthy, can fight back/escape and won't make a stupid mistake they abandon the hunt. Because their prey is not a free kill and the prey will "win" most of the time. Predators don't "go easy" on their prey out of instinct. They need every advantage they can get or they will just waste important energy or needlessly put themselves at risk.

In a sense herbivores and carnivores went through millions of years of "balancing" and any significant advantage on either side would leave the other (and in time itself) extinct. That's why invasive species can be so harmful to an ecosystem.

[Velociraptor]

Originally posted by Kekor:

Originally posted by Jurassic Bird:

While this is true, remember that in game, animals don't get tired or dizzy from constantly turning around, which surprisingly could drain the strength from the animal in the fight. This is what pack predators utilize in the hunt, they let prey wearing its own strength down from constant turns and eventually attack when the prey having to stop to break. In game however, there is no such thing. Dinosaurs can just hold alt and spin for how long they want. So turning would have to be slower for predator to at least get a chance to go in and bite.

Or the Herbivores simply need to have their strength nerfed so the perdators aren't afraid to attack a bloated cow. As i stated before do you see lions running from gazell and zebra's? no the zebra's and gazelles run from them. carnivores shouldn't have to be afraid of herbivores to such a drastic measure. especially not if the herbivore is alone and the carnivore isn't.

" As i stated before do you see lions running from gazell and zebra's? "
nope but i saw lions running from hippo,rhino,elephants,buffalo even killed by groups them so the in-game kos trike herds are natural-like
the zebra and gazell is a better example for maia and galli which is really need to run from bigger threats

[RedForce]

Originally posted by Velociraptor:

Originally posted by Kekor:

Or the Herbivores simply need to have their strength nerfed so the perdators aren't afraid to attack a bloated cow. As i stated before do you see lions running from gazell and zebra's? no the zebra's and gazelles run from them. carnivores shouldn't have to be afraid of herbivores to such a drastic measure. especially not if the herbivore is alone and the carnivore isn't.

" As i stated before do you see lions running from gazell and zebra's? "
nope but i saw lions running from hippo,rhino,elephants,buffalo even killed by groups them so the in-game kos trike herds are natural-like
the zebra and gazell is a better example for maia and gally which is really need to run

^^^

[Kekor]

Originally posted by Evil Minіоn:

Lions don't "facetank" and if they do they tend to get their asses kicked. They either go for a quick knockout (like a throat bite) or pounce their prey.

In general if carnivores realize their prey is healthy, can fight back/escape and won't make a stupid mistake they abandon the hunt. Because their prey is not a free kill and the prey will "win" most of the time. Predators don't "go easy" on their prey out of instinct. They need every advantage they can get or they will just waste important energy or needlessly put themselves at risk.

In a sense herbivores and carnivores went through millions of years of "balancing" and any significant advantage on either side would leave the other (and in time itself) extinct. That's why invasive species can be so harmful to an ecosystem.

You don't see Lions "Facetank" becuase most things run away from them knowing they'll lose. and herbivores will only stay and fight thing's that are smaller than them and then only if the smaller creatures aren't in a pack. If carnivores only every prayed on unhealthy creatures then carnivores would've gone extinct long ago. Herbivores run from carnivores becuase they know they cannot stand against them singlehandedly. Are they defenseless? no they can cause damage if they have no other choice and the carnivores recognize that and so they attack from good angles to avoid being injured. however you don't see Lions dying to Zebra by the droves do you? they can deal damage if the carnivore isn't smart but rarely do they ever get lucky enough to kill the predator. In the Isle Herbivores can take on creatures 2x their size or more meanwhile in reality it's the carnivores that are taking on things 2x their size not the other way around.

Hippo's Rhino's Buffalo Moose and Bison kill more people than their respective predators do becuase people are smaller than them and they're not afraid of things smaller than them especially when us humans look so scrawny comparatively. It's not that the herbivores are simply deadlier creatures in terms of prowess. a tiger will kill a person faster than a horse becuase the tiger would be killing for food while the herbivore is killing to preserver itself and would give up once the threat was ended. Carnivores will go for smaller prey given the chance becuase it's easier not becuase of any lack of capability to take on larger pray. and indeed if they see an easy fat and juicy meal they will take it. But Herbivores will still run from predators given the chance.

[Velociraptor]

Originally posted by Kekor:

Originally posted by Evil Minіоn:

Lions don't "facetank" and if they do they tend to get their asses kicked. They either go for a quick knockout (like a throat bite) or pounce their prey.

In general if carnivores realize their prey is healthy, can fight back/escape and won't make a stupid mistake they abandon the hunt. Because their prey is not a free kill and the prey will "win" most of the time. Predators don't "go easy" on their prey out of instinct. They need every advantage they can get or they will just waste important energy or needlessly put themselves at risk.

In a sense herbivores and carnivores went through millions of years of "balancing" and any significant advantage on either side would leave the other (and in time itself) extinct. That's why invasive species can be so harmful to an ecosystem.

You don't see Lions "Facetank" becuase most things run away from them knowing they'll lose. and herbivores will only stay and fight thing's that are smaller than them and then only if the smaller creatures aren't in a pack. If carnivores only every prayed on unhealthy creatures then carnivores would've gone extinct long ago. Herbivores run from carnivores becuase they know they cannot stand against them singlehandedly. Are they defenseless? no they can cause damage if they have no other choice and the carnivores recognize that and so they attack from good angles to avoid being injured. however you don't see Lions dying to Zebra by the droves do you? they can deal damage if the carnivore isn't smart but rarely do they ever get lucky enough to kill the predator. In the Isle Herbivores can take on creatures 2x their size or more meanwhile in reality it's the carnivores that are taking on things 2x their size not the other way around.

Hippo's Rhino's Buffalo Moose and Bison kill more people than their respective predators do becuase people are smaller than them and they're not afraid of things smaller than them especially when us humans look so scrawny comparatively. It's not that the herbivores are simply deadlier creatures in terms of prowess. a tiger will kill a person faster than a horse becuase the tiger would be killing for food while the herbivore is killing to preserver itself and would give up once the threat was ended. Carnivores will go for smaller prey given the chance becuase it's easier not becuase of any lack of capability to take on larger pray. and indeed if they see an easy fat and juicy meal they will take it. But Herbivores will still run from predators given the chance.

"If carnivores only every prayed on unhealthy creatures then carnivores would've gone extinct long ago."

*unhealthy,old,and too yound creatures



take that the creatures lived with -for example- T.rex were another things that live today
for example theres a lot of trike remains with healed bite marks,bitten off horns and snout and they survived i bet not because they tried to run away
and its a game never supposed to be so much realistic you know *looks at the dragon like mutant allosaurus*?

[Kekor]

Originally posted by Velociraptor:

Originally posted by Kekor:

Or the Herbivores simply need to have their strength nerfed so the perdators aren't afraid to attack a bloated cow. As i stated before do you see lions running from gazell and zebra's? no the zebra's and gazelles run from them. carnivores shouldn't have to be afraid of herbivores to such a drastic measure. especially not if the herbivore is alone and the carnivore isn't.

" As i stated before do you see lions running from gazell and zebra's? "
nope but i saw lions running from hippo,rhino,elephants,buffalo even killed by groups them so the in-game kos trike herds are natural-like
the zebra and gazell is a better example for maia and galli which is really need to run from bigger threats

If you're listing zebras and gazelles as the maia and galli then the lion would be the carno. if you call a trike a buffalo and rhino then what would you call a t-rex or spino? becuase they should easily be able to feed on things half their size. they're apex predators afterall. yet in the isle they can't and quite frankly a turkey which is the size of an allo shouldn't be able to take on 8 allo's at once. herbivores are just too powerful for the most part. tell me when do you see one zebra running at 8 lions and killing them all?

[Velociraptor]

Originally posted by Kekor:

Originally posted by Velociraptor:

" As i stated before do you see lions running from gazell and zebra's? "
nope but i saw lions running from hippo,rhino,elephants,buffalo even killed by groups them so the in-game kos trike herds are natural-like
the zebra and gazell is a better example for maia and galli which is really need to run from bigger threats

If you're listing zebras and gazelles as the maia and galli then the lion would be the carno. if you call a trike a buffalo and rhino then what would you call a t-rex or spino? becuase they should easily be able to feed on things half their size. they're apex predators afterall. yet in the isle they can't and quite frankly a turkey which is the size of an allo shouldn't be able to take on 8 allo's at once. herbivores are just too powerful for the most part. tell me when do you see one zebra running at 8 lions and killing them all?

"tell me when do you see one zebra running at 8 lions and killing them all"
well i never saw a maia running at 8 carnos and killing them all
not even two

[Kekor]

Originally posted by Velociraptor:

Originally posted by Kekor:

If you're listing zebras and gazelles as the maia and galli then the lion would be the carno. if you call a trike a buffalo and rhino then what would you call a t-rex or spino? becuase they should easily be able to feed on things half their size. they're apex predators afterall. yet in the isle they can't and quite frankly a turkey which is the size of an allo shouldn't be able to take on 8 allo's at once. herbivores are just too powerful for the most part. tell me when do you see one zebra running at 8 lions and killing them all?

"tell me when do you see one zebra running at 8 lions and killing them all"
well i never saw a maia running at 8 carnos and killing them all
not even two

Maia are more comparable to fox's vs wolves with the carno's being the wolves. zebra and lions are more comparable to the turkey and the allo's

[RedForce]

Originally posted by Kekor:

Originally posted by Velociraptor:

" As i stated before do you see lions running from gazell and zebra's? "
nope but i saw lions running from hippo,rhino,elephants,buffalo even killed by groups them so the in-game kos trike herds are natural-like
the zebra and gazell is a better example for maia and galli which is really need to run from bigger threats

If you're listing zebras and gazelles as the maia and galli then the lion would be the carno. if you call a trike a buffalo and rhino then what would you call a t-rex or spino? becuase they should easily be able to feed on things half their size. they're apex predators afterall. yet in the isle they can't and quite frankly a turkey which is the size of an allo shouldn't be able to take on 8 allo's at once. herbivores are just too powerful for the most part. tell me when do you see one zebra running at 8 lions and killing them all?

is this about that hole T rex vs trike thing again? plz dont man.

[Nekrum]

Kekor, the problem with youre theory, to me at least is that youre comparing, dinossaurs to modern animals, theyre biology and characteristics are just too diferent and add to the fact that in the isle you have diferent creatures from diferent habitats and times coexisting.

And in the case of T-Rex, yes he is a powerfull predator, but hes not an unkilable movie monster if it sees a trike it would only go after it if it was weak,sick,young or old becausse what most people forget is that: The carnivore fights for a meal, the herbivore fights for his life.

Also how the fell can u compare a maia to a fox and a carno to a wolf, thats so stupid, if anything the maia would be an antilope while carno would be a cheeta.

Also this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo1xXqQsE2Y

[Evil Minіоn]

That doesn't quite fit the "carnivores should be superior because of the rule of cool" narrative though.

In general the coverage is kind of biased as well with an overrepresentation of successful hunts over... basically every other part of animal life. Because it's awesome and makes for a nice show. We see the animals at their best and just declaring this normality doesn't do justice to everyone involved (including the human who probably worked hard to get the shot).