Carnotaurus ability idea

[rustyOkin]

I remember that Dondi mentioned on one of his streams that the Carno’s special ability would be something like a bonus to its damage/bleed when running at full speed to encourage hit-and-run tactics.
The idea is fantastic but in my opinion this trait would suit the Giga even more. It would also help to clearly distinguish the different hunting styles of the 2 pure land-apexes Giga and Rex (assuming Spino will be semi-aquatic).

hit-and-run is a good way to hunt bigger prey but the Carno’s preferred prey items were probably small and fast dinosaurs. This is where the Carno truly shines ingame with its great speed (only 2nd to Utah among Carnivores) and outright excellent stamina (only 2nd to Galli among all dinosaurs).

So my idea for the Carno is to play around its stamina and maximum speed capabilities:

1. Carno doesn’t lose more stamina when ambushing
2. After a few seconds of sprinting the Carno gains more and more speed until it reaches ambush speed (so without actually crouching) and outspeeds any other dinosaur in the game

So basically the Carno can become faster than anything else and has the best stamina of all carnivores.
But before you freak out and think that I’m totally nuts trying to make the Carno insanely OP this ability also comes with a disadvantage:

1. Carno only gains this bonus sprint (ambush) speed when running straight
2. Though it is possible to do small direction adjustments without penalty the Carnotaurus loses this bonus speed once it’s forced to do sharp turns.
3. Additionally whenever turning sharply or stopping to sprint entirely (in case someone tries to avoid this penalty by alt turning/trotting instead) the Carno also loses a large amount of stamina
4. Carno has a bad turn radius when sprinting

In reality due to its body structure and stiff tail the Carno was freaking fast but probably not that manoeuvrable. Think of a cheetah hunting a gazelle! The cheetah would easily catch the gazelle if it ran in a straight line. What might allow the gazelle to escape is changing directions quickly.

In game it would prevent the Carno from simply running down its prey with ease yet it wouldn’t take away its biggest strength. Hunting and being hunted would become more skillful forcing the Carno to predict the prey’s next manoeuvre while the hunted player could try to play some mind games and fake running to the left before turning right sharply. Carnos would only have a few of those 50/50 attempts to catch their prey before running out of stamina. On the other hand Carnos could also use this ability not only to hunt but to travel across the map extemely fast.

Also hunting in pairs/groups would be very effective since 2 Carnos could flank their prey and cut off its escape paths.

pretty interesting stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slcVvR7UMik

[rustyOkin]

Kyre eredeti hozzászólása:

Rusty eredeti hozzászólása:

I know, that's the very first sentence I wrote in this post. But as I have mentioned i think this ability would be better for Giga who is more of a hit-and-run hunter.

Giga was described by Dondi as a brawler, not hit and run.

wut? must have missed that... and how is a Giga supposed to brawl with a Rex then?

[PeasantKyr]

Rusty eredeti hozzászólása:

wut? must have missed that... and how is a Giga supposed to brawl with a Rex then?

They are going to make it so that health won't regen while you are bleeding.
No more rexies surviving 100 bleed, and giga deals that bleed oh so very quickly.

[Velociraptor]

"assuming Spino will be semi-aquatic"
nope there will be a terrestial(the current one) and an aquatic version

[rustyOkin]

Velociraptor eredeti hozzászólása:

"assuming Spino will be semi-aquatic"
nope there will be a terrestial(the current one) and an aquatic version

ok well but how will a rex,giga and fictional-terrestrial spino (3 land predators) have different playstyles?

Kyre eredeti hozzászólása:

Rusty eredeti hozzászólása:

wut? must have missed that... and how is a Giga supposed to brawl with a Rex then?

They are going to make it so that health won't regen while you are bleeding.
No more rexies surviving 100 bleed, and giga deals that bleed oh so very quickly.

won't help a lot since Rex will maul Giga to death, then sit down to cure the bleed and then simply regen his health. I assume with this change bleed damage overall will be nerfed

[PeasantKyr]

Rusty eredeti hozzászólása:

won't help a lot since Rex will maul Giga to death, then sit down to cure the bleed and then simply regen his health. I assume with this change bleed damage overall will be nerfed

Dondi said that Giga will not be something you want to aggressively engage.

I took that as meaning that no, rex will not be able to kill a giga from the front and expect to survive the bleed.
The giga will of course die as well, but that isn't the point. The point is that if both of the players are aware of this, neither will want to start that fight in a one-on-one.

They may very well lower bleed damage or something like that, but if that is what they plan to do, then Dondi did not say anything about it.

[Flyingdrull]

Rusty eredeti hozzászólása:

Velociraptor eredeti hozzászólása:

"assuming Spino will be semi-aquatic"
nope there will be a terrestial(the current one) and an aquatic version

ok well but how will a rex,giga and fictional-terrestrial spino (3 land predators) have different playstyles?

well.....we don't know that yet would be nice if someone could think of an idea of what it could be.... cause they already have a modle of the semi-aquatic spino you talk about and.... i guess its ability is already known but what will terristrial have....

I would maybe say, remeber just a suggestion, that it could have a stunning attack of some kind?
That depending on the other creatures own weight the spino could do some sort of slam that knocks the creature over possibly. however that would not solve the spinos current problem of being hard to hide, hard for it to catch creatures that it can eat, and hard for it to kill creatures it can catch.

Unless they decide to make that stun really strong however completely diminshes its stamina....I don't think it would help.

[Rexedous]

The current Spino will be able to swim. Not as effectively as it's counter part, but it will be able to swim better than most Dinosaurs. Infinite swimming stamina, if I heard correctly.

[Razahir]

Sure interesting gameplay will always be welcome.

[Pomp]

❄️Rexedous❄ eredeti hozzászólása:

The current Spino will be able to swim. Not as effectively as the is counter part, but it will be able to swim better than most Dinosaurs. Infinite swimming stamina, if I heard correctly.

personally i'd like for it to have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ swiming stam instead of infinite stam so to speak, the tradeoff for being the "stronger" spino but it is what it is i suppose :) (of course, this is assuming there will always be two spinos)

[Rexedous]

There will be two.

[Flyingdrull]

❄️Rexedous❄ eredeti hozzászólása:

The current Spino will be able to swim. Not as effectively as it's counter part, but it will be able to swim better than most Dinosaurs. Infinite swimming stamina, if I heard correctly.

well it is called a terrestrial spino so a kinda doubt that something like that would swim. With its boby shape also is not fit for swimming at all. Also he is meant to be on par with the rex and giga if i remeber what the dondi has said himself about this spino. So i doubt that it will just swim.
(and by on par i mean none of those 3 big guys would want to fight each other)

[Rexedous]

From what I've heard from Dondi in stream, he doesn't know what to give the Spino, apart from infinite swimming stamina.

[rustyOkin]

Empire-xXx-XM-xXx-King eredeti hozzászólása:

❄️Rexedous❄ eredeti hozzászólása:

The current Spino will be able to swim. Not as effectively as it's counter part, but it will be able to swim better than most Dinosaurs. Infinite swimming stamina, if I heard correctly.

well it is called a terrestrial spino so a kinda doubt that something like that would swim. With its boby shape also is not fit for swimming at all. Also he is meant to be on par with the rex and giga if i remeber what the dondi has said himself about this spino. So i doubt that it will just swim.
(and by on par i mean none of those 3 big guys would want to fight each other)

Someone once mentioned the idea that the "terrestrial" spino could still be somewhat fond of water.
Of course not like real aquatic creatures which I assume will be able to swim really fast, dive and ambush from the water but at least it would have some minor aquatic abilities. For example decent swim speed/stamina(?) and the ability to catch fish at the water surface.
Similar to how you would imagine a gigantic grizzly bear which would be pretty cool and different to the other 2 land apexes

PS: also lets try to focus on the Carno again and not turn this into another apex-thread

[Flyingdrull]

Rusty eredeti hozzászólása:

Empire-xXx-XM-xXx-King eredeti hozzászólása:

well it is called a terrestrial spino so a kinda doubt that something like that would swim. With its boby shape also is not fit for swimming at all. Also he is meant to be on par with the rex and giga if i remeber what the dondi has said himself about this spino. So i doubt that it will just swim.
(and by on par i mean none of those 3 big guys would want to fight each other)

Someone once mentioned the idea that the "terrestrial" spino could still be somewhat fond of water.
Of course not like real aquatic creatures which I assume will be able to swim really fast, dive and ambush from the water but at least it would have some minor aquatic abilities. For example decent swim speed/stamina(?) and the ability to catch fish at the water surface.
Similar to how you would imagine a gigantic grizzly bear which would be pretty cool and different to the other 2 land apexes

PS: also lets try to focus on the Carno again and not turn this into another apex-thread

hmmm well ok maybe i just hope that it will still follow that it can stand up to the other apexes and not be sqaundered by them.(i guess his abilty could just be a gimmick to help him survive another way and not to fight. I guess just his stats will help him there hopefully.)

Anyways back to carno....I always thought it could have a ramming attack built with speed but i guess that can be just like the increased bite and bleed with speed. (this could be influenced by me playing primal carnage:extinction though XD)

[Rexedous]

I can assure you, the Hyperendocrin Carno will be a ramasaurus Trainicus