Herrerasaurus in survival-mode (?)

[rustyOkin]

I recently read an older post saying that the herrera will most likely NOT be playable in the new survival mode, is that true?

I really hope it's not since herrera would probably be one of the most interesting dinosaurs to play for various reasons:

1. land-counterpart to the probably future semi-aquatic Austro (?)
2. would be extremely dangerous for humans once added
3. would be extremely dangerous for hatchlings which will play a big role in survival mode
4. would be an excellent nest-raider (i think stealing eggs or food from nests is planned)
5. the game would highly benefit from focusing more on smaller dinosaurs

It's is such an amazing opportunistic hunter and scavenger. I personally had the most fun in the game hunting freshly hatched apexes on v3 just to run back into the forest while getting chased by a whole family of adult T-Rexes =D

Herrera could fit the role of the classic egg-thief/hatchling-killer perfectly and I really think the game could/will need dinosaurs like this A LOT

what do you guys think?
maybe I'm "fanboying" a bit... Herrera one of my favourites after all

[Nix]

With Herrera as my favorite dino in the game, I would love for it to be playable in Survival; like a land version of Austro as a small carnivore without being yet another raptor (as if we don't have enough of those). Unfortunately, we're in the minority. There isn't any other game that allows for a playable Herrerasaurus, and this kind of variety in selection won't exist in Survival. Instead, we'll have to stick to the Sandbox mod.

For anything unique, there is a trait that is unique to Herrerasaurus that isn't found in any other theropod dinosaur. Unfortunately, it's not a mechanic featured here. That feature is a flexible, hinged lower jaw that slides back and make it more difficult for prey to escape. This kind of grappling feature probably isn't going to be in the game, to make Herrera 'unique' (even though herrera is so unique, there's still debate as to whether it can be considered a theropod dinosaur).

I'mma miss Herrera being in the main game and interacting with humans. Hopefully, there will be a mod that allows a Survival mode with the other dinosaurs.

[Rexedous]

Well, someone could mod it into Survival. There just needs to be one giant collaborative mod that puts all unplayable creatures in for you guys.

[PeasantKyr]

İlk olarak TeamNinjaBug tarafından gönderildi:

For anything unique, there is a trait that is unique to Herrerasaurus that isn't found in any other theropod dinosaur. Unfortunately, it's not a mechanic featured here. That feature is a flexible, hinged lower jaw that slides back and make it more difficult for prey to escape. This kind of grappling feature probably isn't going to be in the game, to make Herrera 'unique'

Grappling IS planned, for all carnivores, in order to improve combat beyond spamming left click.

Hererras grip could be made to last much longer than others, but steps would need to be taken to avoid making it too much like a pounce, like limiting it to smaller creatures.

Having that sort of grab and hold on as long as possible mindset could make herra a nightmare for creatures of its own size range, especially if a many herras are involved. Slowing down an austro enough to prevent its escape into the water and allowing a packmate to tear into it is a terrifying prospect.
Combined with herras mobility, that might actually be too easy to play.

[Nix]

İlk olarak Kyre tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak TeamNinjaBug tarafından gönderildi:

For anything unique, there is a trait that is unique to Herrerasaurus that isn't found in any other theropod dinosaur. Unfortunately, it's not a mechanic featured here. That feature is a flexible, hinged lower jaw that slides back and make it more difficult for prey to escape. This kind of grappling feature probably isn't going to be in the game, to make Herrera 'unique'

Grappling IS planned, for all carnivores, in order to improve combat beyond spamming left click.

Hererras grip could be made to last much longer than others, but steps would need to be taken to avoid making it too much like a pounce, like limiting it to smaller creatures.

Having that sort of grab and hold on as long as possible mindset could make herra a nightmare for creatures of its own size range, especially if a many herras are involved. Slowing down an austro enough to prevent its escape into the water and allowing a packmate to tear into it is a terrifying prospect.
Combined with herras mobility, that might actually be too easy to play.

Oh, good! I was worried the grappling idea was scrapped a long time ago.

I feel Herrera could excel in this mechanic against prey roughly its own size or smaller. When you described how terrifying it would be, I just envisioned myself as that Austro being in that situation and that I think would be an amazing addition to the Horror aspect of the game, especially if it's used on a human.

I'm sure we can think of a way to balance it, so Herrera's gift will not be abused so easily. Perhaps there's a cost to holding on that's greater the larger the prey item is for all carnivores. With Herrera, it can be slightly more lenient to make it more specialized. Or the prey can potentially cause some damage in its struggles to pull away, but will have to do more to escape the jaws of a Herrera than it would if it had been caught by an Austro.

Or the Herrera's stats will be changed accordingly to make it not so easy to survive as them with this feature.

Although I feel this won't be enough to make it a playable character in Survival, I think it'll be fun and interesting to discuss how this mechanic can be made with Herrera. I just don't want this unique creature (with its hinged jaws just begging to be implemented in some way) to be swept under the rug and dismissed so easily as just a 'generic small carnivore'.

[Rexedous]

Well, Don did himself said it's a generic Lizard, but if we can come up with a unique mechanic for the Herrera, he might add it. The grapple mechanic won't work though, as the Utah's pounce can have an almost identical outcome. It pounce will tackle smaller creatures, and if you get enough in one creature, the weight will drag it down. The one being pounced will also likely be able to try and buck them off.

[! Murciee ♥]

İlk olarak Kyre tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak DilophoYT tarafından gönderildi:

Will the fishers fish still?

Austro and aquatic spino will fish. Bary and sucho will not be playable.

WHAT? No Bary?! Noooooooooooo! I also like sucho. RIP.

[rustyOkin]

i think Herrera should focus on its role as an egg-thief and hatchling hunter. maybe some sort of special scent mechanic that makes it possible to detect nests filled with food and/or eggs and newly born babies!
herrera could become a real menace, stalking larger dinosaurs just to eat their babies and escape into dense vegetation

no matter what, i think dinosaurs like herrera and austros are needed to create an interesting ecosystem with multiple layers

[! Murciee ♥]

İlk olarak Rusty tarafından gönderildi:

i think Herrera should focus on its role as an egg-thief and hatchling hunter. maybe some sort of special scent mechanic that makes it possible to detect nests filled with food and/or eggs and newly born babies!
herrera could become a real menace, stalking larger dinosaurs just to eat their babies and escape into dense vegetation

no matter what, i think dinosaurs like herrera and austros are needed to create an interesting ecosystem with multiple layers

I totally agree.

[Nix]

İlk olarak Rexedous tarafından gönderildi:

Well, Don did himself said it's a generic Lizard, but if we can come up with a unique mechanic for the Herrera, he might add it. The grapple mechanic won't work though, as the Utah's pounce can have an almost identical outcome. It pounce will tackle smaller creatures, and if you get enough in one creature, the weight will drag it down. The one being pounced will also likely be able to try and buck them off.

But then what's the point of having grapple on any of the carnivores if it's just going to be dismissed as being the same as Utah's pounce? Then how will Utah stand out if everyone can grapple prey with "almost identical outcome"? I think the main difference is that pounce is just clinging to the sides/backs of much larger prey items and they run around trying to buck you off, while grapple is more of a "hold on to keep prey from running away, trying to wrestle it to the ground whilst dealing damage" sort of thing. Both offer different hunting techniques. If Herrera is implemented with this, it can be the small carnivore that excels in this mechanic in some way, shape, or form.

Just trying to shoot out ideas, taking advantage of what the dinosaur in question has unique about it. And Herrera does have that unique feature built into it that nobody else has, and it's my opinion that we should take advantage of what nature gave us in this creature to try and figure out what we can do with it.

İlk olarak DilophoYT tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Rusty tarafından gönderildi:

no matter what, i think dinosaurs like herrera and austros are needed to create an interesting ecosystem with multiple layers

I totally agree.

As do I. I know most people don't care about the Herrera because they only like the "big bad apex" or the most popular like Utah and Allo, but I myself enjoy the sheer variety this game has to offer in its selection, and my favorites are the small creatures in the game that nobody seems to care about, like Herrera and even Oro. Because where else can I play such creatures? No other game has them. To be limited to just raptors (creatures that are playable in pretty much every other "be the dino" game) as the only small carnivores is... boring to me.

I know I'll have the Sandbox and Progression mods to fall back to should that kind of variety be removed in the main game, but it's still saddens me.

[Rexedous]

I am actually rather fond of the Herrera, I'm not trying to shoot it down. Dondi has not conformed any Dinosaurs will have the grapple. I'm pretty shure that will be the Giga thing exclusively. (don't quote me on that) if your gonna come up with something for the Herrera, it had better be good is all I'm saying.

[Nix]

I remember in the old days, people were discussing grapple in regards to Allo being able to grapple sauropods, and it supposedly being scrapped. Hadn't heard about it since. Whether all the carnivores are getting grapple as Kyre stated, I don't know. I still think it should be something Herrera is particularly skilled at compared to the other carnivores.

But if grapple is scrapped for all the other carnivores that will be available in Survival, we can make Herrera be that one dinosaur with that ability. I myself don't see Giga as being unique in itself to justify being in Survival, but if it is going to be that one with the grapple ability, then yeah. Herrera can be the same on the smaller scale. Like Austro is the small-scale version of Spino that supposedly is being added to that mode... supposedly.

[! Murciee ♥]

İlk olarak TeamNinjaBug tarafından gönderildi:

I remember in the old days, people were discussing grapple in regards to Allo being able to grapple sauropods, and it supposedly being scrapped. Hadn't heard about it since. Whether all the carnivores are getting grapple as Kyre stated, I don't know. I still think it should be something Herrera is particularly skilled at compared to the other carnivores.

But if grapple is scrapped for all the other carnivores that will be available in Survival, we can make Herrera be that one dinosaur with that ability. I myself don't see Giga as being unique in itself to justify being in Survival, but if it is and it'll indeed be that one dino grappler, Herrera can be the same on the smaller scale. Like Austro is the small-scale version of Spino that supposedly is being added to that mode... supposedly.

The dromaeosaurs should be able to have it as well.

[Nix]

İlk olarak DilophoYT tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak TeamNinjaBug tarafından gönderildi:

I remember in the old days, people were discussing grapple in regards to Allo being able to grapple sauropods, and it supposedly being scrapped. Hadn't heard about it since. Whether all the carnivores are getting grapple as Kyre stated, I don't know. I still think it should be something Herrera is particularly skilled at compared to the other carnivores.

But if grapple is scrapped for all the other carnivores that will be available in Survival, we can make Herrera be that one dinosaur with that ability. I myself don't see Giga as being unique in itself to justify being in Survival, but if it is and it'll indeed be that one dino grappler, Herrera can be the same on the smaller scale. Like Austro is the small-scale version of Spino that supposedly is being added to that mode... supposedly.

The dromaeosaurs should be able to have it as well.

The raptors can have their pounce to make them unique; le grapple is le Herrera's forté. Jk.

But I appreciate our civil conversation about this matter; hadn't had one of those in a while. I feel this is the way to get the devs to listen to our suggestions for Herrera when it's calm and collected like this thread.

[Saurygiel]

1. Even though austro is semi-aquatic, it can still do the job of a smaller land carnivore like you say herrera would be. Only difference is that it can also fish which makes it more fun to play because you have multiple playstyles and options. Herrera and Austro are very similar in stats anyways.
2. Austros and any dinosaur would also be extremely dangerous for humans, Herrera isn't special in this regard, not even close. Unless it had human-seeking vision then it wouldn't be better at hunting humans than an Austro would.
3. Austro and any small carnivore could be "extremely dangerous for hatchlings". Herrera isn't special and doesn't hunt hatchlings any better than an Austro.
4. Again, Herrera isn't special. It isn't and wouldn't be better at raiding nests than an Austro would unless it had some weird gimmick to find nests easier.
5. The addition of humans and the survival gamemode will give people more of a reason to play smaller creatures. Sure, there might not be too many smaller creatures playable but that doesn't mean they are going to be worthless or going to be less fun to play than a larger creature.

[rustyOkin]

İlk olarak BrokenCode tarafından gönderildi:

1. Even though austro is semi-aquatic, it can still do the job of a smaller land carnivore like you say herrera would be. Only difference is that it can also fish which makes it more fun to play because you have multiple playstyles and options. Herrera and Austro are very similar in stats anyways.
2. Austros and any dinosaur would also be extremely dangerous for humans, Herrera isn't special in this regard, not even close. Unless it had human-seeking vision then it wouldn't be better at hunting humans than an Austro would.
3. Austro and any small carnivore could be "extremely dangerous for hatchlings". Herrera isn't special and doesn't hunt hatchlings any better than an Austro.
4. Again, Herrera isn't special. It isn't and wouldn't be better at raiding nests than an Austro would unless it had some weird gimmick to find nests easier.
5. The addition of humans and the survival gamemode will give people more of a reason to play smaller creatures. Sure, there might not be too many smaller creatures playable but that doesn't mean they are going to be worthless or going to be less fun to play than a larger creature.

go through the discussion and you will find out that we all already agreed that the herrera should have some unique ability to justify it being playable. Maybe some sort of advanced sense or special scent mechanic to enforce its playstyle instead of a attack-trait since it's clearly not supposed to be a combatant. that's just my personal thought though...

regarding Austro-Herrera comparison:
Saying that an Austro can do everything a Herrera can do simply isn't true. Not at all to be exact. I know some stuff will change and aquatic mechanics will boost the Austros playability but looking at the game in its current state the Austro needs some serious buffs and an entirely new trot animation to even be able to compete with the Herrera's playstyle (on land)

In fact the Austro gets so brutally outclassed by the Herrera it's not even funny...
Though it's a bit weaker Herrera has better sprint speed, better ambush speed, better stamina, much better stamina regeneration, amazing trot (Austro's trot is outright garbage), is also better at hiding because it's smaller and its damn tail doesn't stick out that much and it even has great crouch-walking-speed.

To say that they have similar playstyles is almost like saying Sucho and Carno have the same playstyle because they are about the same size...
Whenever i play Austro I usually end up hiding nonstop and try to stay away from trouble as much as possible.
Don't belive me? Go ahead and try to harras an entire herd of Apexes and kill their babies as an Austro and see what happens... you'll find yourself dead the moment they decide to chase/trot you down! The Herrera on the other hand excels at doing exactly that.