Acro

[Flishster]

So, as we (should) all know, Acro was originally said to be the bleed tree apex and have Giga and Carcharo as skins/alts. However it was decided it was too small (Or something along those lines) to be on the same tier as Giga and Carcharo, so it was moved to tier 3 which pushed Allo down as well. It was crap for a while after this, but then it gradually got its speed, damage, and eventually weight changed when that was added until it was at where it is now, and then it was moved from a tier 3 to seemingly a second bleed apex.

The only thing is the Acro is worse at everything than the Giga except it's crazy fast and can run for a bit longer. Acro is far slower over distance because of its worse trot and walk. There is no reason to go Acro, and this is reflected in the fact no one plays it.

My suggestion to make Acro less of a psuedo-Carno, more on-par with Giga, and more viable in a fight is this:

-Buff its weight up to 6200. This is the maximum estimate for Acro and is more accurate to the model size as well.

-Slow it down. Way down. Like, slower than Giga. It can be faster than rex still or not, that's not really relevant because it has higher stamina that regens as it trots. This prevents it from being a psuedo-carno because it can't run down small stuff and has a lot harder of a time catching medium stuff.

-Buff its bone break chance. It has a giant muscle hump, Make it more likely to break bones than Giga. Less likely, of course than rex, but this will help make up for it being slower and lighter.

-Buff its bleed resistance to be on par with Giga's. This was lower back when it was tier 3, now that it's an apex, it's only fitting it should be able to heal just as well as them.

This would allow Acro to be more of a generalist bleeder, like the Allo, without making it a psuedo carno which looks rediculous when running.



(Also Stego still needs a buff)

[Emperor of The Great Unknown]

Acro is fine right now. It is cheaper to progress to Acro than Giga and Rex so it doesn't need to be on par with those two. Plus a Giga vs Acro fight will likely result in both animals bleeding out, unless Giga can rest immediately so the damage buff isn't really warranted.

Same could probably be said for Stego jsut make it cheaper than the others.

[[TL]Loganalm]

Acro shouldn't be on par with the Giga,but the acro probably should be looked at probably,maybe even a remodel,and new animations,so it's trot can be faster than giga's,and so it'll look better,also we don't need 3 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bleeder apexes,Giga,Charchara,and Acro,...so it's better to just have acro be a lower level than giga,and charchara.

[[TL]Loganalm]

Also yes,Stego could use a bit of a buff.

[Ato]

Personally I would just make Acro an alternate to giga, buff its trot, walk and health regen (at the expense of speed and stam).
Currently acro plays like a really good allo, its good enough to completely slaughter anything an allo hunts, while not being able to stand up to apexes (save stego and theri). On top of that, Acro costs only 2(?) hours less than giga on a vanilla server, if you are able to survive long enough to be able to reach acro, whats the point? Why not just wait 2 hours and get a much more powerful dinosaur like giga?

Seeing as acro has already been made massive, making it an alt skin to giga would probably be the best option.


Alternatively, after allo recieves its buff (a 1.25 size and possibly health buff (would be 3402hp) if the trend of increasing health linearly instead of with the square cube law continues) acro could just be decreased in size in order to make it around the same size as the post-buff allo and made into an alternate skin for allo (or vice versa).
Both would be ways of improving acro as there would be a reason to progress to it

[Red]

I probably would be fine with Acro being slowed down, if either it gets a stamina regen buff or Giga gets a stamina regen nerf.

It always annoyed me that Acro regenerates only 2 stamina per tick when its resting, and Giga regenerates 5 stamina per tick when resting. When they are standing, Giga regens 2 and Acro only regens 1.

I actually would like for an Acro that is slower but better stamina management. I don't really like how Giga has better stamina management than it. Acro has the roughest time of the bleeders from escaping things, Allosaurus obviously has a better time escaping, as Giga can escape easier than Acro can considering Acro gains stamina slower AND a slower trot and walk.

Also Acro's healing is no better than Allo's. imo this is rather silly.

(offtopic but suchomimus suffers the same issue of struggling to escape apexes, like acro does)

[Joseph Ida]

If I was an Acro, I would Rather Prey on Camaras and Puertas becuase they are big and slow and I wouldn't focus all my energy on armored or small herbivores like stegos, Ankys, Dibbles, Maias, even Shants. Due to those herbivores having more successful senses. The acros are only made for attacking very large things like Sauropods.

[Flyingdrull]

There is also going to be the problem where giga will give 20% debuff to bleed resistence for its bite so then acro would be even worse.

Originally posted by Red Allosaurus™:

I probably would be fine with Acro being slowed down, if either it gets a stamina regen buff or Giga gets a stamina regen nerf.

It always annoyed me that Acro regenerates only 2 stamina per tick when its resting, and Giga regenerates 5 stamina per tick when resting. When they are standing, Giga regens 2 and Acro only regens 1.

I actually would like for an Acro that is slower but better stamina management. I don't really like how Giga has better stamina management than it. Acro has the roughest time of the bleeders from escaping things, Allosaurus obviously has a better time escaping, as Giga can escape easier than Acro can considering Acro gains stamina slower AND a slower trot and walk.

Also Acro's healing is no better than Allo's. imo this is rather silly.

(offtopic but suchomimus suffers the same issue of struggling to escape apexes, like acro does)

Also don't worry about sucho because he is going to be able to swim in the feature. A easy get away from apexes for him. (Including terrestrial spino because guess what.....HE IS TERRESTRIAL HE WILL NEVER SWIM. unlike aquactic spino who will swim extreemly fast but be on slow on land.)

[DB]

I would much prefer for Acro to not be an alterntative to Giga at all, and instead to be noticeably smaller than the Giga and to act as the step between the Allo and it. Along with the addition of smaller carnivores like the Dilo and Cerato, this will make transitions in progression to be more gradual, also reducing the power jumps without needing ye to spawn in at like half size each time you move up a tier.

[Flishster]

Originally posted by Emperor of The Great Unknown:

Acro is fine right now. It is cheaper to progress to Acro than Giga and Rex so it doesn't need to be on par with those two. Plus a Giga vs Acro fight will likely result in both animals bleeding out, unless Giga can rest immediately so the damage buff isn't really warranted.

Same could probably be said for Stego jsut make it cheaper than the others.

As Jun said, why even bother going Acro if its time to obtain is so comparable to the Giga? This is the same reason you don't see Theris or Stegos often, Anky and Trike are both equally as easy to get and infinitely better. The only way you're going to have people picking bad apexes is if they're significantly cheaper or easier to progress to. Acro and Giga progress from the same tree (At least, there's no reason they wouldn't), so unless Acro is like, 60 points, and Giga is like 300, no one is going to pick Acro in its current state.

And I would totally be down for Acro and Giga being alt skins of each other, my concern is that because they have such different animation sets, this might be hard to achieve without looking awful like Acro's run currently does.

I also thought about just having it return to being a step to Giga, but I personally felt slowing it down was probably a bit more important, and there's no way Acro would be able to do anything if it was slower and not able to fight the other apexes.

[Razahir]

Imo a good fix would be allo acro and giga all having the same trot speed, and having the lower tier having the best stamina regen, followed by the next one and then the apex, plus apexes would need to be way more expensive to make it worth to play acro.

[Emperor of The Great Unknown]

Originally posted by Flishster:

Originally posted by Emperor of The Great Unknown:

Acro is fine right now. It is cheaper to progress to Acro than Giga and Rex so it doesn't need to be on par with those two. Plus a Giga vs Acro fight will likely result in both animals bleeding out, unless Giga can rest immediately so the damage buff isn't really warranted.

Same could probably be said for Stego jsut make it cheaper than the others.

As Jun said, why even bother going Acro if its time to obtain is so comparable to the Giga? This is the same reason you don't see Theris or Stegos often, Anky and Trike are both equally as easy to get and infinitely better. The only way you're going to have people picking bad apexes is if they're significantly cheaper or easier to progress to. Acro and Giga progress from the same tree (At least, there's no reason they wouldn't), so unless Acro is like, 60 points, and Giga is like 300, no one is going to pick Acro in its current state.

And I would totally be down for Acro and Giga being alt skins of each other, my concern is that because they have such different animation sets, this might be hard to achieve without looking awful like Acro's run currently does.

I also thought about just having it return to being a step to Giga, but I personally felt slowing it down was probably a bit more important, and there's no way Acro would be able to do anything if it was slower and not able to fight the other apexes.

Undetstandable. I am definately not in favor of making Acro an alt skin of Giga. If this was the case why have Acro in the first place? You are basically removing it from the game in a way. In terms of locomtion Acro comparatively stubby legs would probably give it one of the lowest run speeds of the Apexes. I don't think making it slow should automatically mean it gets a combat buff. The only meaningful combat buff it could get would only make it stomp all over stegosaurus, and just cancel out with giga. It already kills Sucho in two bites for example. If you are going to make it slower make it cheaper, give it better stamina and health regen. But for now its combat skills are fine.

Now I dont know what will happen when Allo gets a buff and resized, because then we will have too many apexes per say and a huge power gap between Herra/Utah and Allo.

[Red]

Doesn't Carcharodontosaurus have a model? Wasn't that going to be the reskin for Giga if anything?

Honestly though, I now feel as if Acro's size buff made Carchara even more tedious than it already was.

If one wants Acro to be sized down, definitely not as small as it used to be though, probably just only a small margin smaller than now. Especially since Allosaurus was said a while back to receive a size buff, though not sure what happened to that now.