Puertasaurus Bleed

[Dinozard]

I'm not sure if it is intentional but i noticed that if a puerta takes bleed it loses health at a very rapid pace. Even with 8 bleed it loses about 80 health per second it looks like. Which means a giga for example can easily kill a puerta when it gets close enough to bite it.

Just curious about this specific scenario. Figured I would point it out since not too many people actually play puerta for extended periods of time.

[CJC682]

To be fair, sauropods are going to be Giga and other carnosaurs' quarry, so it makes sense that, despite their resilience to direct damage, they are particularly susceptible to DOT bleed.

Being easily solo'd (which, by the sound of things, is the case) is pushing it, though.

[Wiccanthropy]

The Pue has a massive health pool though, doesn't it?

[Why Watt]

Originally posted by Hypnotize:

The Pue has a massive health pool though, doesn't it?

49k....

[Dinozard]

I forgot to mention as a comparision of another dino with large health is the Shant which has 16K health but only loses about 6 health per second with 8 bleed from what i remember. Trike is pretty similar as well with 8K health.

[Souretsu]

Bleed resistance is a thing now.

[Spiritstrike]

I was a Pue on a sandbox server. I got attacked by a single Giga. The Giga was fast and kept taking advantage of my slow turn speed and aiming for my front legs. 4 bleed caused my health to drop really quick. Near the end of the fight I had a stack of 40 bleed and died in six minutes from the rapid drop. I could not recover. It was not the Giga's pitiful damage that killed me but the bleed itself that ended my life.

While it does make sense that bleeding large prey like sauropods rather than damage, the bleed just seemed too quick for my taste.

[Souretsu]

Just keep on mind that damage numbers and such are never final. Tbh the game is not yet at a stage that balance matters so much, unless things become borderline game-breaking as a result.

[gogogogogohgogogogo]

Originally posted by (TSA) Spiritstrike☨:

I was a Pue on a sandbox server. I got attacked by a single Giga. The Giga was fast and kept taking advantage of my slow turn speed and aiming for my front legs. 4 bleed caused my health to drop really quick. Near the end of the fight I had a stack of 40 bleed and died in six minutes from the rapid drop. I could not recover. It was not the Giga's pitiful damage that killed me but the bleed itself that ended my life.

While it does make sense that bleeding large prey like sauropods rather than damage, the bleed just seemed too quick for my taste.

It would be cooler if large sauropods, could resist bleed better than small ones. Or maybe make an ADULT puertasaurus immun to bleed (from a giga of course)?. Puertasaurus is a giant sauropod, I doubt it would have any natural predators, when it reached adulthood.

But there should be a price getting to adulthood, it will take alot of time reaching adulthood. The juvenile/subadult puertasaurs got to find the adult herds, or else they will be easy prey for anything up to giganotosaurus-size. But I find it lame, that an adult puertasaurus can get rekt by a giganotosaurus, but thats just me. But since puertasaurus´ weightmass is only 49.000 (nearly 50.000 aka. 50 tons) instead of 60 - 70 tons. I could be wrong in the fact, should giganotosaurus be able to hunt an adult puerta? Maybe I just have to wait for Elder Puertasaurus to be thing?

[creatura05]

Originally posted by Scavenger:

Originally posted by (TSA) Spiritstrike☨:

I was a Pue on a sandbox server. I got attacked by a single Giga. The Giga was fast and kept taking advantage of my slow turn speed and aiming for my front legs. 4 bleed caused my health to drop really quick. Near the end of the fight I had a stack of 40 bleed and died in six minutes from the rapid drop. I could not recover. It was not the Giga's pitiful damage that killed me but the bleed itself that ended my life.

While it does make sense that bleeding large prey like sauropods rather than damage, the bleed just seemed too quick for my taste.

It would be cooler if large sauropods, could resist bleed better than small ones. Or maybe make an ADULT puertasaurus immun to bleed (from a giga of course)?. Puertasaurus is a giant sauropod, I doubt it would have any natural predators, when it reached adulthood.

But there should be a price getting to adulthood, it will take alot of time reaching adulthood. The juvenile/subadult puertasaurs got to find the adult herds, or else they will be easy prey for anything up to giganotosaurus-size. But I find it lame, that an adult puertasaurus can get rekt by a giganotosaurus, but thats just me. But since puertasaurus´ weightmass is only 49.0000 (nearly 50.000 aka. 50 tons) instead of 60 - 70 tons, I could be wrong in the fact, should giganotosaurus be able to hunt an adult puerta? Maybe I just have to wait for Elder Puertasaurus to be thing?

Well Pue isn't big volume wise, it's near the size of brachi, who actually comes to Pue's chin, but they weigh a ♥♥♥♥ ton more, in fact, that's one of the big important thing about them, so you're probably right with the weight.

[Souretsu]

From a gameplay standpoint, it's not very wise to have a playable character be nigh indestructible in a survival game. If you take away its bleed weakness, the only thing Puerta would have to fear is Strains, which are supposed to be extremely rare.

I'm not saying the numbers don't need tweaking, but if Puerta has a predator, Giga would be the one.

[Rain]

The thing here is the puerta is very very slow and you got to time the attacks correctly to defend yourself such as stomp and tail swipe. You don't want to be taken advantage of from a Acro or Giga so I propose the attack speeds of stomp and tail swipe be shorter durations. For juvie and subadult stages of puerta, I think they should be around the speed of cam, but once they hit adults they are very slow.

The bleed Giga does will probably be nerfed down. Like someone said, the puerta probably had no natural predators because the size it is. But since this is a hardcore horror survival game, nothing in the game you progress to should keep you 100% safe. Not saying a Giga should be able to 1v1 a pue, or even 2v1. So maybe Gigas in packs of 4-5 could take down a pue. BUT then this brings the question and cries of mega packs of gigas rampaging servers, so this needs time and thought into. Maybe there's a mechanic that is a "pack gathering" mechanic which calls all other same species on the servers to a certain location, shown by a scent trail. They all gather there and propose a hunting plan in chat, like "there's a pue down by the river" so all the gigas hunt the pue together. Once defeated the pue, the hunting mechanic will end and they must disperse each other or some consequence will happen, like the scent of their pack of 4-5 gigas will be really strong and attract a (example) hypo rex strain to their location by showing the hypo a scent to them on screen. This will discourage mega packs and only be okay for packs of 4-5 only for hunting something like a pue, then they must disperse quickly after unless they want to risk being slaughtered by a strain.

EDIT: may make this into a suggestion mechanic "hunting mechanic"

[creatura05]

Originally posted by Souretsu:

From a gameplay standpoint, it's not very wise to have a playable character be nigh indestructible in a survival game. If you take away its bleed weakness, the only thing Puerta would have to fear is Strains, which are supposed to be extremely rare.

I'm not saying the numbers don't need tweaking, but if Puerta has a predator, Giga would be the one.

They'd also be worried about competition with similarly size sauropods

[Souretsu]

Hardly, considering trees are literally everywhere.

[creatura05]

Originally posted by Souretsu:

Hardly, considering trees are literally everywhere.

But they are competing with eachother for space, not for food, most larger sauropods would be able to retreat to a forest, so there would be some competition in the plains so that it wouldn't become too crowded.

[Souretsu]

They wouldn't have anything to eat in the plains.