Camarasaurus Potential

[PROTORAPTORX]

The camarasaurus has so much potential, it could be THE best Dino in game especially when it comes to herbivores. I love sauropods and I know I'm not the only one but the pue truly does have poor gameplay at the moment. The camarasaurus could fix this. The reason I say this is because the camarasaurus fits the 4 main categories perfectly. In my opinion there are 4 very important categories in the game.
-Food/water values (mainly for progression)
-Health/weight class
-stamina/speed (for gameplay)
-Fighting capabilities



FOOD/WATER VALUES

When it comes to food the camarasaurus should be all set. Think about it, it has no competition with it's diet. More than likely it's main competitor would obviously be the pue but, the pue is not very fast. I highly doubt the other dinos will have the same diet as the camar maybe with the exception of the theri but the camarasaurus long neck would Allow it to eat tree that a theri couldn't. Water really shouldn't be a problem especially since the camar can trot (will get to this later).



HEALTH/WEIGHT CLASS

The camars health and weight will really count for something. I would assume its health pool would be a bit larger than the shant like maybe around 15,000. It's real weight has been estimated to be about 50 tones full grown. This amount of health will hopefully allow it to stick around a tad bit longer when it inevitably gets bleed stacked by gigas. It's weight will also help so pesky acros shouldn't hurt.


STAMINA/SPEED

I think the part all of us are excited about is the camarasaurus ability to actually move around. The pue like I have said before was just too slow and it still is as it should be. The camar on the other hand will be way more nimble than the pue. I saw it trot on dondis stream ( something a pue couldn't do) and it seems as if it will be a bit slower than anky. Atleast faster than a taco or a pue. It's ability to trot will make it a more viable option. All I wish is that when it comes to stamina, it will have hopefully around 200. I only say this because there is no way it could run faster than an apex so it would be pretty cool if it could just travel long distances. Sorta how they did in real life.


FIGHTING CAPABILITIES

Unlike the pue with it's exposed left rear leg, the camar as I saw on stream had a full 180 degree tail swipe. So as long as you can keep whatever is attacking you behind you, you should be fine. I guess that means it should be played like the other tail fighters (anky, stego) and being a biased herbi player I Dearly hope it's attack will make even gigas it's natural predator think twice. I'm not saying it should be OP where nothing can fight it cause let's face it that's boring. But it should definitely give apexes a pretty good fight before going down.

So in summary a more balanced shant. KOSers won't be able to troll carnivore players cause a camar will still be slow. This is only what I hope. Obviously the game developers don't have to make it this way and it might be better or worse than I have invisioned. Let me know how you think the camar should be in game.

[creatura05]

Originally posted by PROTORAPTORX:

When it comes to food the camarasaurus should be all set. Think about it, it has no competition with it's diet.

You know... the Camarasaurus would actually compete with Shant, because anatosaurus, a hadrosaur smaller than shant, competed a sauropod, alamosaurus, so much that the sauropod left the area the anatos were alone.

[Beyonder]

It does have compentition.....the Pue....

[the Shitking]

Giga packs will be your best friends as camara

[Jurassic Bird]

Better question would be... How does this thing gain progression point? All pp plants we have now are ground plant no taller than a Dryo... How is such titanic, vertical gaited behemoth gonna eat them? Or if dev would come up with taller progression plant specially for it? It's getting released soon anyway, so they'd better thought about this problem already.

[Vaporwave Spirit]

Originally posted by creatura05:

Originally posted by PROTORAPTORX:

When it comes to food the camarasaurus should be all set. Think about it, it has no competition with it's diet.

You know... the Camarasaurus would actually compete with Shant, because anatosaurus, a hadrosaur smaller than shant, competed a sauropod, alamosaurus, so much that the sauropod left the area the anatos were alone.

Source?

[Vaporwave Spirit]

Originally posted by Jurassic Bird:

Better question would be... How does this thing gain progression point? All pp plants we have now are ground plant no taller than a Dryo... How is such titanic, vertical gaited behemoth gonna eat them? Or if dev would come up with taller progression plant specially for it? It's getting released soon anyway, so they'd better thought about this problem already.

Blue trees lol. But if palm trees are added they can serve as progression plants.

[Why Watt]

Let me say my mind on some of this...

1. Pue can walk, trot and run just as any Dino. I have tested it the day Sandbox came out. The trot is very subtle but present to an observant eye.

2. 200 Stamina is putting it very, very lightly. Pue has the same as Quetz being 1k. I would presume Camara, to be able to pull off stomps if it has any, would need a large stamina pool. I am thinking it would have the likes of 400 or more.

15k HP is hardly enough, no offense. You may think it is plenty, but both from a gameplay and logical perspective it just does not make sense. It is around 50 metric tonnes. The dinos have their weight in kg= HP. 15k would therefore mean it only weighed 15 tonnes in game cannon... Which none of the 3 described species of Camarasaurus would be anywhere near that light. Then we have the key issue. Sure it has 180* tail swipe but it would be very easy for a Giga pack to simply take down with such a small HP pool. Why? Because as it has poor bleed heal, they could easily stack 100 bleed despite a seemingly large weight of 15k. And because it is stated to have ♥♥♥♥ bleed heal, 15K makes it very easy game for Gigas. They just need to go from the front, run in and bite, get out before trample/a stomp. It lacks the speed and agility to survive with only 15k. Before Pues were bugged back in Region 2 in Sandbox, most creatures could just decimate a Pue at Spawn Lake. The preators were much weaker back then and even before bleed Pue only had 15k HP. Yet they turned Pues into mince-meat. Now that bleed is around and the opponents much tougher... Seems unwise to give it such a low value. I'd reccomend around 30-35k. Hypo has 35k HP and Pue 49k. 30k would be plenty reasonable and so long as Gigas can keep it from losing the 100 bleed they'd quickly stack(a feasible task due to poor bleed healing) they can hunt it but at risk.

[Why Watt]

Originally posted by Jurassic Bird:

Better question would be... How does this thing gain progression point? All pp plants we have now are ground plant no taller than a Dryo... How is such titanic, vertical gaited behemoth gonna eat them? Or if dev would come up with taller progression plant specially for it? It's getting released soon anyway, so they'd better thought about this problem already.

Maybe it would have a more unique prog method.

Johnykun's idea of blue trees just seems odd in all fairness. And unlike Blue Plants which can be put all over the place, the Blue Trees would have to be in very accessible areas as this thing ain't gonna have fun in deep forests/mountains/isolated areas. This leads to a big question; do you make them need very, very little PP to prog in the Sauropod tree as their plants would be in few and far between or do the opposite and makes plants more accessible and common but need tremendous PP, keeping up the pattern?

Problem is, with high PP ammounts to Sauropod tree would not be feasible, simply put. Sauropods are slow af. I agree that Plateosaurus(modelled) should eat standard-issue PP plants. But for the bigger ones like Camara, there needs to be a better option. When Elder mechanic is added, it will be a ♥♥♥♥♥ and a half to get enough PP to upgrade your chosen sauropod. While other herbivores could just eat en mass PP plants even if they are made server side, these guys are kinda in a pitiful situation.

My personal opinion is that they should prog like Carnivores currently do. Why? several reasons. Firstly Carnivores are about to get a new system where they can gain PP much, much faster while gaining PP over time. So it won't just be time oritented for them. However, the best reason to use this method is to look how Sauropods functioned. They had a ton of babies and let them deal with their own fate. What a Sauropod needed to do to survive was grow. Aka it needs to stay fed, hydrated, away from serious injury and most of all, time. Sauropods always raced against time. Time was always the foe of Sauropods and what chose which died and which did not. So for this reason, their struggle should obviously be against time. And unlike Carnivores who will be able to prog faster by doing ♥♥♥♥, these guys will be all about staying alive. However as a counter-balance to this, Camarasaurus and other sauropods relying on time MUST stay above 60% food and 30% water to gain PP. This lends to their insatiable appetities. With these two measures in place, we can make Camara not need large PP amounts along with the other Sauropods. Even tho herbivores need a ton of PP now, they can quickly eat PP plants in their race for the top. So because Sauropod tree is reliant on time they don't need large pools of it, especially since Carnivores will have many ways to accelerate PP gain by doing ♥♥♥♥, risk vs reward.

[Why Watt]

Originally posted by Johnnykun:

Originally posted by creatura05:

You know... the Camarasaurus would actually compete with Shant, because anatosaurus, a hadrosaur smaller than shant, competed a sauropod, alamosaurus, so much that the sauropod left the area the anatos were alone.

Source?

I am pretty sure if you went on the Saurian discord someone could link you a paper or give you a reliable answer. They did both live in the Ojo Alamo formation... at the same time....

And after all, Elephants will compete with Cattle which in itself seems odd.

[Vaporwave Spirit]

Originally posted by Lizard Bruh:

Originally posted by Jurassic Bird:

Better question would be... How does this thing gain progression point? All pp plants we have now are ground plant no taller than a Dryo... How is such titanic, vertical gaited behemoth gonna eat them? Or if dev would come up with taller progression plant specially for it? It's getting released soon anyway, so they'd better thought about this problem already.

Maybe it would have a more unique prog method.

Johnykun's idea of blue trees just seems odd in all fairness. And unlike Blue Plants which can be put all over the place, the Blue Trees would have to be in very accessible areas as this thing ain't gonna have fun in deep forests/mountains/isolated areas. This leads to a big question; do you make them need very, very little PP to prog in the Sauropod tree as their plants would be in few and far between or do the opposite and makes plants more accessible and common but need tremendous PP, keeping up the pattern?

Problem is, with high PP ammounts to Sauropod tree would not be feasible, simply put. Sauropods are slow af. I agree that Plateosaurus(modelled) should eat standard-issue PP plants. But for the bigger ones like Camara, there needs to be a better option. When Elder mechanic is added, it will be a ♥♥♥♥♥ and a half to get enough PP to upgrade your chosen sauropod. While other herbivores could just eat en mass PP plants even if they are made server side, these guys are kinda in a pitiful situation.

My personal opinion is that they should prog like Carnivores currently do. Why? several reasons. Firstly Carnivores are about to get a new system where they can gain PP much, much faster while gaining PP over time. So it won't just be time oritented for them. However, the best reason to use this method is to look how Sauropods functioned. They had a ton of babies and let them deal with their own fate. What a Sauropod needed to do to survive was grow. Aka it needs to stay fed, hydrated, away from serious injury and most of all, time. Sauropods always raced against time. Time was always the foe of Sauropods and what chose which died and which did not. So for this reason, their struggle should obviously be against time. And unlike Carnivores who will be able to prog faster by doing ♥♥♥♥, these guys will be all about staying alive. However as a counter-balance to this, Camarasaurus and other sauropods relying on time MUST stay above 60% food and 30% water to gain PP. This lends to their insatiable appetities. With these two measures in place, we can make Camara not need large PP amounts along with the other Sauropods. Even tho herbivores need a ton of PP now, they can quickly eat PP plants in their race for the top. So because Sauropod tree is reliant on time they don't need large pools of it, especially since Carnivores will have many ways to accelerate PP gain by doing ♥♥♥♥, risk vs reward.

Tfw I was joking about blue trees and you took it seriously.

[creatura05]

Originally posted by Lizard Bruh:

Originally posted by Johnnykun:

Source?

I am pretty sure if you went on the Saurian discord someone could link you a paper or give you a reliable answer. They did both live in the Ojo Alamo formation... at the same time....

And after all, Elephants will compete with Cattle which in itself seems odd.

I'm getting it from the saurian community, I remember hearing someone mention that it was why alamosaurus wasn't in the area the early release is taking place?

[Vaporwave Spirit]

Originally posted by creatura05:

Originally posted by Lizard Bruh:

I am pretty sure if you went on the Saurian discord someone could link you a paper or give you a reliable answer. They did both live in the Ojo Alamo formation... at the same time....

And after all, Elephants will compete with Cattle which in itself seems odd.

I'm getting it from the saurian community, I remember hearing someone mention that it was why alamosaurus wasn't in the area the early release is taking place?

They aren't including alamosaurus because they haven't ever been found in hell creek before.

[CJC682]

Originally posted by Johnnykun:

Tfw I was joking about blue trees and you took it seriously.

>"only joking"
>started a thread on that very idea
>took time out of day to defend "joke" idea
>"lol jokes on you i was only pretending"

[Why Watt]

Originally posted by CJC682:

Originally posted by Johnnykun:

Tfw I was joking about blue trees and you took it seriously.

>"only joking"
>started a thread on that very idea
>took time out of day to defend "joke" idea
>"lol jokes on you i was only pretending"

What I thought exactly. Though in his defence, I merely replied saying the Blue trees as a concept, not their actual color. More or less was referring to their role is being eaten to reward progression points. So he jumped to the conclusion that I meant literal blue trees.

[creatura05]

Originally posted by Johnnykun:

Originally posted by creatura05:

I'm getting it from the saurian community, I remember hearing someone mention that it was why alamosaurus wasn't in the area the early release is taking place?

They aren't including alamosaurus because they haven't ever been found in hell creek before.

And why do you think that is? There isn't some magic barrier between the formations around hell creek and hell creek. Or, perhaps, is it because the anatosaurus in hell creek was competition for alamosaurus, becuase it was so large?