Rex vs Trike

[MBtooth]

Ok, I don't see a lot of people as Rex fight a Trike and kill it. Can it be balenced? I just want it to be a fair fight, like 50/50.

[heinous101]

Oh let's be real. The trike has over 8k health and can break a leg with the very first shot it gives. It also puts on a heavy bleed while having more health than its counterparts. It also has a strike animation that is perfectly suited for these enemies. This isnt about a single fossil find. You think there was only one fight between a T Rex and a Triceratops in all the millions of years that they existed? No one is saying that a Trike should lose every time but it is CLEAR that the trike is boosted right now so that people will play herbivores as much as they do carnivores. The Carnivores are the more popular dinosaurs so they will get played regardless. That wasn't always the case though when herbivores were considered weaker than their carnivore counterparts. Hell, it wasn't even the case when there was perceived parity. The Trike has everything right now, period. It may be the most dangerous dinosaur in the game across the board.

So lets not even attempt to bring skill level into the conversation.

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by heinous101:

The Trike has everything right now, period. It may be the most dangerous dinosaur in the game across the board.

I'd say Pue has the health to make up the difference, And Hypo is, well, Hypo.

[heinous101]

Originally posted by Rotiart:

Originally posted by heinous101:

The Trike has everything right now, period. It may be the most dangerous dinosaur in the game across the board.

I'd say Pue has the health to make up the difference, And Hypo is, well, Hypo.

As a Giga I can kill a Pue without taking any damage at all. Could a Pue beat a Trike? Probably but no other dinosaur in the game fares as well against every single other dinosaur in the game like the trike does.

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by heinous101:

Originally posted by Rotiart:

I'd say Pue has the health to make up the difference, And Hypo is, well, Hypo.

As a Giga I can kill a Pue without taking any damage at all. Could a Pue beat a Trike? Probably but no other dinosaur in the game fares as well against every single other dinosaur in the game like the trike does.

In progression, that is correct, but the Hypo Rex can just about 1-hit kill anything, and moves faster than a trike.

[Souretsu]

Why are you even bringing a hyper rex into the equation? They'll be incredibly rare in the final game and they aren't even playable in survival right now. If that isn't grasping for straws I dunno what is.

[MBtooth]

Originally posted by Gadzooks:

You might have seen in movies where everyone fangirls the t-rex because they were taught that it could faceroll everything etc back in the day.. but reality the rex would have had its ass wooped on most herbivores - theres fossil of a rex skull impailed with a trike horn - then theres that stego that nut shotted an allo? and something else with a raptor and something else that died during a fight? - we dont have foxtel/stan/netflix to watch these - youtube either takes it off or you dont get to watch the full thing.

but again theres studies where the *king of the dinosaurs* got pummeled if they wernt 100% sure or ready for the fight - like players who mained trike when it was released,know how to deal with good rexs - Depends on skill level - if you try to faceroll something thinking you can kill it head on.. your an idiot and yes you will die..

Yes I do Know about this...

Originally posted by Souretsu:

Why are you even bringing a hyper rex into the equation? They'll be incredibly rare in the final game and they aren't even playable in survival right now. If that isn't grasping for straws I dunno what is.

Thank U, this isn't about Giga's or Pues, just Rex Vs Trike :T

[heinous101]

Making it just about Rex vs Trike makes zero sense though considering Rex is bugged and is being fixed. Of course the match up doesnt work right now.

[Rotiart]

Originally posted by Souretsu:

Why are you even bringing a hyper rex into the equation? They'll be incredibly rare in the final game and they aren't even playable in survival right now. If that isn't grasping for straws I dunno what is.

I'm not. I'm just pointing out that the Trike isn't the best dino there is. Admittedly, that doesn't make it okay to be as OP as it currently is.

[heinous101]

Originally posted by Rotiart:

Originally posted by Souretsu:

Why are you even bringing a hyper rex into the equation? They'll be incredibly rare in the final game and they aren't even playable in survival right now. If that isn't grasping for straws I dunno what is.

I'm not. I'm just pointing out that the Trike isn't the best dino there is. Admittedly, that doesn't make it okay to be as OP as it currently is.

The strains are different than the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs are supposed to be representations of what they might have actually been like. The Strains, well something else happened to them.

The Hyper Rex is a strain. Using it in a comparison to say that the Trike isnt currently the best dinosaur in the game is misleading, plain and simple.


The trike is currently the best dinosaur in the game, period.

[Dr. TeaRex]

The thing is, with Trike as it is now, even after Rex's bite is fixed, it won't be able to take on Trike. Two Rexes might be able to take it on, but one of the Rexes will definitely be dead by the time the Trike goes down. Ambushing a Trike doesn't work because its turn radius is ridiculous. The moment it hears stepping, crouched or otherwise, it will have spun around. It is so insanely fast at turning that in order not to get gored, an attacker would have to charge it at the same time as another attacker on the other side, and even then, the Trike will catch it as it tries to leave striking range.

Now that being said, I definitely think Trike should be a difficult prey item. It should never be the case that a Rex, or any other carnivore barring a strain, can go into a fight with a Trike confident that it will win. But it should be closer to a 60/40 or 70/30 in Trike's favour, not a 99/1 as it is now (note that I am speaking of the situation even post Rex hitbox-fix)

[Jurassic Bird]

Agree that Trike stat is alright right now. It's its turn that need some work. Alt-turn is already a thing, so there will be no more "butt biting" for long duration. Trike's alt-turn isn't fast and predator can easily take one or two bites before retreating out and wait for another chance to attack. However, it's the normal turn that is ridiculously tight and very quick as well. Reduce that and Trike will be much more huntable.

[Pomp]

Originally posted by Jurassic Bird:

Agree that Trike stat is alright right now. It's its turn that need some work. Alt-turn is already a thing, so there will be no more "butt biting" for long duration. Trike's alt-turn isn't fast and predator can easily take one or two bites before retreating out and wait for another chance to attack. However, it's the normal turn that is ridiculously tight and very quick as well. Reduce that and Trike will be much more huntable.

Indeed, the only "nerf" trike needs is indeed its turn radius. I personally think its current stats and everything else makes sense.

[heinous101]

I hope you guys are taking into account the inevitable nerf that will come to all herbivores once they have the ability to join up with herds of npc herbivores. Trikes having 8k+ health at that point would be absolutely ridiculous. It's stats only make sense for a PvP only Isle game.

[PeasantKyr]

Originally posted by Honk honk the anky:

Originally posted by Jurassic Bird:

Agree that Trike stat is alright right now. It's its turn that need some work. Alt-turn is already a thing, so there will be no more "butt biting" for long duration. Trike's alt-turn isn't fast and predator can easily take one or two bites before retreating out and wait for another chance to attack. However, it's the normal turn that is ridiculously tight and very quick as well. Reduce that and Trike will be much more huntable.

Indeed, the only "nerf" trike needs is indeed its turn radius. I personally think its current stats and everything else makes sense.

Having such a high bonebreak chance on a creature that is supposed to be a major bleeder, does NOT make sense. The bleed is fine, the leg break is not.

Originally posted by heinous101:

inevitable nerf

i wouldnt say inevitable. we have no idea if ai trike herds will be common, or even if trikes will be herding animals. They might be solitary ai, or ai herds might not accept players into thier ranks at all.

[heinous101]

You are correct, we dont know but this game isnt going to make it simply as a pvp arena style game. For it to reach numbers of success, there will have to be AI. Without programming that causes npc herbivores to herd up, its going to feel shallow. Trikes wont have to herd up unless their stats push them into herds. Looking at how Dondi originally set up herbivores with their stats, I would hazard a guess that he isn't always going to have them on par with the deadliest carnivores.

If AI herds dont accept player herbivores, that would be a real shame.