Stock market and Orbit Questions

[Okami]

- Is there a way we can support/ally/side with a compagny (like a joint venture or something) rather than just eat everyone bite after bite.

This stockmarket feature is the diplomacy panel for Anno 2205. Anyway to be friend/ally with some corp ? I like the foxy girl ^^

Also, What happen when you have less than 50/25/0 % of your own share ?? Game over ?
In previous anno, share was just a way to make aditional profit per island. Now it seems you can loose money with poor priced share ?

What decide shares value ? (My corp and other corp)
=> how can I tell "this share should be bought, it's a potential investment" or "don't broke yourself on this one, it won't have any return soon"

- I bought 4 share so far (2 mine and 2 ibhara foxcon) and the share value keep going down. What can I do ? How to make Return on Investment ???

The fact that auction can be triggered randomly from AI, mean that you have to keep a good amount of cash anytime just to save your own game. :/

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Astronaut I send to orbit don't add up ? I need 20 guys (or gals) and my shuttle send 14 every trip. but I still lack 6 people constantly. So they are processed to space food or what ? o0

[NeuNeu89]

1 : No, you eat them all.
2 : No, you cant have a date with the foxy girl.
3 : If you loose all yours share, i bet you loose OR you cant buy any shares, but i think i'ts impossible to loose all your shares, even in veteran.
4 : Yes you loose money with poor shares
5 : You should first buy your shares, then one opponent at a time if possible.
6 : You can give them patent, that increase opponent share value, thus gaingin more credits.

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You need to make sure you have enough population around your space launch pad to send the maximum astronaut you can. 25 max by launch pad. See the % on it, and try to squeez more pop around.

[morpheus]

3) not always; the shares get a certain percentage of the companies profit => when i went to the stockmarket my profit dropped massively, but on the market each share said +12k; which worked out when i bought one; but that also works for "negavite profit" == loss, each share gets a bit of that one too. => your income will jump all over the place (had +50k from my shares, and -70k from other comp shares at the same time, after 30 mins the -70k went to +50k)

5) Your own shares first, to improve the influence gain, which helps to block hostile auctions (in the pop up the left button.)

The main goal is the improve certain areas of industry, with up to 40% output for all 10 shares; therby making a monopoly easier too. (which in turn grants u unlimited use of the improved modules for the particular industry)



btw. if i WIN the hostile auctions of shares i owned before (meaning im forced seller and buyer at the same time) the money is gone too...... strange logic imo.

[NeuNeu89]

It'snt a strange logic to spend money to no let your share go away ; when you want to stay as the main shareholder, you spend money to counter the offers, especially the hostiles ones. IRL you could spend alot of cash, just from administration, layer etc, to not let someone buy your shares. You could also give the buyer, alot of cash to dismiss, because hostile takeovers arent well seen in stock market (i think) and can cause lot of loss for the business targeted.

[morpheus]

um, doesnt the forced seller get the money someone bought the share for, in anno? if so where does the money end up if buyer and seller are the same person? (ALL of it; a bit for the auction expenses i could understand....)

[NeuNeu89]

Say : You have a piece of cake, and I want to buy it. I give you 100 dollars. But you really, really want to eat that piece of cake, so you put 200 dollars. I cant bid anymore, you give me 200 dollars, and I let you eat the cake in peace.

I do think that you actually give money to the one who make the biggest offer so they dont get the piece of cake, but get in money how much you evaluate this piece of cake worth.

I cant see ingame if, in fact, the highest buyer get the money when you buy your own share, so i'ts only what i think occur, and i'm not good with stocks market, so, its really my theory.

IRL, a corporation could say " Hey you, Morpheus Corp, i want to get 20% of your corp by detaining alot of your shares (in an hostile takeover), here 20m credits, i'll buy it now" and Morpheus COrps say ; "No, you cant, because, i have 40m credits in my pocket, so take that, and go to hell, you wont have any % in my corp !"

In a voluntary/non-hostile takeover homewever, Morpheus Corp could say yeah, i sell that for 20m credits, give it to me, and we shall both make business and eat cakes tgether. But in anno, its only hostile bids, there is no-way we can make a union of corporations, thus we pay to not have our shares go to the competition.

[morpheus]

The hostile takeover is hostile because the MINORITY shareholder doesnt want to sell, but can get forced to do it by the MAJORITY shareholder(s), however they STILL get something for the shares they sold (How much is in the contracts, agreements, and/or the law).



The situation ingame was that i had all shares of my corp+all of food corp.

Along came an auction for a packet of my own corp, where i had the money, but not the influence, so i bid on it and won.

I ended up going from 4 million to 1.4 million (sale went for 3.6) credits, meaning i got nothing.




So who got the money?
a) noone
b) 2nd highest bidder
c) The one starting the whole thing


all three are exploitable.

a) start an auction, try to get it to the point where he buys it himself, and buy the stock you really wanted cheaper because he cant bid anymore

b) come in 2nd and buy the share you wanted with the money you got from him, and have some leftover, because as in a) he cant bid that high anymore

c) as with b); just do it by starting an auction and do your Mr. Burns "Excellent" impression for the duration while getting it to where he buys it himself.

[Okami]

Originally posted by Neuski89:

It'snt a strange logic to spend money to no let your share go away ; when you want to stay as the main shareholder, you spend money to counter the offers, especially the hostiles ones. IRL you could spend alot of cash, just from administration, layer etc, to not let someone buy your shares. You could also give the buyer, alot of cash to dismiss, because hostile takeovers arent well seen in stock market (i think) and can cause lot of loss for the business targeted.

Sorry but no, it is not logic IRL. You don't throw money to the wind just to keep your belonging. Otherwise it's called ranson / robery / racketeering. IF someone want to buy a share of your own business and you disagree, you can raise the price per share. If the deal is too big for him then you KEEP the money.

Edit : I can agree on administration cost, but it's nowhere close from the amount of the bid they ask

[Okami]

Originally posted by morpheus:

um, doesnt the forced seller get the money someone bought the share for, in anno? if so where does the money end up if buyer and seller are the same person? (ALL of it; a bit for the auction expenses i could understand....)

It goes nowhere that is the problem. you litteraly burn the money, scorch the earth and scream in flames "If I can't have it, no one can !!!!"

That's why always ALWAYS use your influance to cancel Hostile auction on YOUR share. It's just a pure money sink. period.

[morpheus]

so case a) in the the exploit list, good to know^^

[Okami]

Originally posted by morpheus:

so case a) in the the exploit list, good to know^^

Can't be expoited :) If an AI wins the auction for their own previously-owned share, that money does get refunded to them.

To balance out that minor injustice, if you win an AI's share and their finances are capped out, they don't exceed their cap, where if you lose a share and you're near your cap, you're allowed to exceed it.

[RedArcus]

You will have alwyas i gues last amount/ golden shares in your own company. But you earn less influence points to end an auticion or the to some spy actions ( i ues a lot a patent when i invest in another company and have 50% share. It is a bit patience to get more share or you must make a lot of money. The new maps it is costly and must choose to expend region/island or buy shares.

[Okami]

Is it better to wait buyiing all the amp and THEN going on the stock market ? (seems harder to expend with Stock market rules)

[RedArcus]

Originally posted by Okami:

Is it better to wait buyiing all the amp and THEN going on the stock market ? (seems harder to expend with Stock market rules)

yes a lot harder or at least a lot difference game play with stockmarket. On the otherhand before it was boring to play or possible te let the game play it self an night, have money next monring and expend a lot. Now you must be react also if you actived i gues that your island will be attacked. I do not know what happend if you loss the hostile attack.

[Okami]

Originally posted by webmaster:

Originally posted by Okami:

Is it better to wait buyiing all the amp and THEN going on the stock market ? (seems harder to expend with Stock market rules)

yes a lot harder or at least a lot difference game play with stockmarket. On the otherhand before it was boring to play or possible te let the game play it self an night, have money next monring and expend a lot. Now you must be react also if you actived i gues that your island will be attacked. I do not know what happend if you loss the hostile attack.

Nothing happen, but in pilage scenario, they might drain some ressource, hence hurting your credits generation, and possibly ending negative.

[RedArcus]

Originally posted by Okami:

Originally posted by webmaster:

...k.

Nothing happen, but in pilage scenario, they might drain some ressource, hence hurting your credits generation, and possibly ending negative.

thanks a lot , info,. I expected worsers because the could make the game very hard by loosing your complete sector ;-) and so messing up all you resources routes. Then you may must mass murdering all your inhabetans to gett the ride finance again. They did not, that is fair