All of my offline songs disappeared?

[[YOMAVAI]]

I don't know if this is just a hardware issue, but every song i haven't uploaded to Rytmik Cloud suddenly disappeared. One day is still had them, the next day i start up Rytmik and my 'USER' category is completely empty. My cloud songs are still intact. I didn't accidentally activate filters. Am i screwed?

[◢ k r i s ◤]

I'm assuming you are using Windows - please indicate if otherwise.

Did you happen to recklessly clean out your AppData thinking it was all temp/cache stuff? If so, they might be gone forever unless it's in your Recycle Bin or something. You can check AppData for yourself by following these steps.

Open Windows Explorer and in the address bar, paste this then hit Return key

%Appdata%\..\LocalLow

That will open the area of your AppData that you will need to manually navigate to locate the rest of this path.

CINEMAX_ s_r_o_\Rytmik Ultimate\Internal\songs

In that directory should be a collection of .rue and .ruf files with filenames numbered incrementally (song000.ruf, song001.ruf, song002.ruf, etc). If this directory is empty, this is why RU says you have no local-disk songs anymore. Unfortunately, there is no way for us to know why that directory would be empty. If you've taken actions or have background software that routinly clears out AppData for whatever reason, it would be wise to create backups of this directory in the future. Backups would actually be good to have in any case since anything can always happen

[Pte Jack]

Kris, I'm actually surprized that Rytmik doesn't create a %%user%%\Documents\Rytmik type folder and store things there instead of %AppData%\LocalLow.

Any chance this might change?

My main C:\ is an SSD and because of the low storage availability, I set my Documents and download folders to my D:\ HDD folders. This is where I would want any personal folders\files stored from progreams like this.

Then again, why am I asking you (Doh, thought you were one of the Devs because of your activity here... LOL)

[◢ k r i s ◤]

Originally posted by Pte Jack:

Kris, I'm actually surprized that Rytmik doesn't create a %%user%%\Documents\Rytmik type folder and store things there instead of %AppData%\LocalLow.

Any chance this might change?

I wouldn't be the one to ask. In the past, .ruf and .rue files were not intended to be tampered with. So while it may have been shortsighted, putting them in AppData wasn't an entirely alien thing to do. Your web-browsers treat profiles and sessions in this same manner too - as do other software if you look around %AppData% and try to recognize things.

Rytmik Studio doesn't keep songs in AppData unless the user specifically chooses to do so - but that may change eventually now that a song-browser is finally being implemented. To be honest, I like having access to the .ruf files directly in RS-EA opposed to how it was setup in RU as that allows the user to place the songs wherever they like and have better awareness of them, but I realize that makes building a song-browser for RS a bit more cumbersome if not entirely problematic.

MartinLindaCZ occasionally checks these boards and they would be able to tell you what the roadmap for local song-storage might look like. Maybe they'll use %UserProfile%\Documents for storing Rytmik songs if the song-browser removes the ability to choose where songs will be manually stored. Hard to say if they'll consider updating Rytmik Ultimate to behave like this too though....

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Originally posted by Pte Jack:

Then again, why am I asking you (Doh, thought you were one of the Devs because of your activity here... LOL)

I get that sometimes, but correct, a Cinemax Dev I am not. The devs do actually observe this board, I'm just quicker to respond sometimes because of notifications or timezones, perhaps.

I do have access to the RS-alpha Trello board though, so I'll make a note and maybe they'll take this thread into consideration.

[◢ k r i s ◤]

Out of curiosity, I found you can actually move your AppData directories in a similar way to how you moved your %UserProfiles% to D:\
https://superuser.com/questions/478095/what-is-a-safe-way-to-move-appdata-local-to-a-different-drive
Stuff like that probably should be experimented with in a Virtual Machine first before trying it on your main computer. A backup being an obvious necessity too. Permission issues are an easy culprit to run into with things like this and is not for the feint of heart.

[[YOMAVAI]]

Turns out the folder in question was completely empty. It was most likely deleted automatically by some program, since i don't remember ever tampering with anything in my appdata folder. Thanks for the answer! I'll make sure to regularly make backups from now on.

[CocoaAndTea]

Originally posted by C0nguy:

Turns out the folder in question was completely empty. It was most likely deleted automatically by some program, since i don't remember ever tampering with anything in my appdata folder. Thanks for the answer! I'll make sure to regularly make backups from now on.

Same thing happened to me I think :( came back after a long break and everything is gone.

[Ein Nineteenth]

Same. Issue. I haven't done anything with my local folders, I just opened it up today and my stuff was gone.

I was really making some progress on how to make something that sounds good too.

Edit: yep. Gone. Gone gone. This is such a terrible save system.


Edit 2: WHAT. THE.ACTUAL.♥♥♥♥.

There are FOUR Ultimate Folders.

This is the folder it was located in, the one with a COMMA ~ >AppData\LocalLow\CINEMAX, s_r_o_\Rytmik Ultimate\Internal\songs

This is the folder that the program accessed today, ~> AppData\LocalLow\CINEMAX_ s_r_o_\Rytmik Ultimate\Internal\songs

[◢ k r i s ◤]

I wish I knew how that happened for you. I've been using Rytmik Ultimate for a little more than 2 years now and I've never experienced this. I still think it might be something on your system wiping AppData opposed to Rytmik deleting your saves.

I'll agree that AppData is absolutely not a good place to store music-project files, but if you have applications cleaning out your AppData and temp files regularly, you really should know about it or find out what's causing that because that is irregular when not intentional.

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The different Rytmik folders serve different applications, in my experience (Rytmik Player, Rytmik Studio, etc). I hadn't noticed Rytmik Ultimate needing two folders, but if you found your songs in one of them than that's fantastic. Make sure you copy them as a backup before moving them to the other folder and seeing if they show up in RU again.

Perhaps it's a locale issue that keeps generating multiple folders with minor alterations. I'm not really sure why Cinemax needs so many parent folders in AppData.

[Ein Nineteenth]

I figured it out. I when I hit sort by Group , Alphabetically.
My files are safe, I just have to move them from the old folder to the one created today.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1540198427

[◢ k r i s ◤]

Well, if you are so lucky, just make sure you prepare backup copies. I've never experienced the misfortune of losing Rytmik project files, but locating the AppData directory and automating a backup script was one of the first things I did when discovering Rytmik.

Backups sometimes make the best migraine medicine.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by Ein Nineteenth:

Same. Issue. I haven't done anything with my local folders, I just opened it up today and my stuff was gone.

I was really making some progress on how to make something that sounds good too. :thecoke:

Edit: yep. Gone. Gone gone. This is such a terrible save system.


Edit 2: WHAT. THE.ACTUAL.♥♥♥♥.

There are FOUR Ultimate Folders.

This is the folder it was located in, the one with a COMMA ~ >AppData\LocalLow\CINEMAX, s_r_o_\Rytmik Ultimate\Internal\songs

This is the folder that the program accessed today, ~> AppData\LocalLow\CINEMAX_ s_r_o_\Rytmik Ultimate\Internal\songs

Thank you for updating your message, I was freaking out after buying Rytmik Studio coz all my songs were gone. I had exported the ones I needed for the game I'm making but I never considered them fully finished, so I needed those files still. Found them all in a different folder and just moved them to the new one.