Melee still far behind.

[DapperGorilla]

So I came back to this game after not playing it for a while. Got Templar to 70, Berserker to 70, Warden to 70.

Most of my templar gear I have had the 'luck of dropping' has been holy so I have been playing that. A lot of my gear has thorns, high resistences, prefering things like that. Maxed Tank, maxed Armorer, Maxed Shield Maiden, maxed Warmth, Maxed Blessing, Maxed Barrier...

Most of my Berserker gear has been Lightning which is -fun- to play but well you will see. I got Maxed Hardened, Maxed Pummel, Maxed Hot Blooded, Maxed Artic armor or Heat (tried them booth.). Yes, I have Dodge Roll.

These are all the survival things I can get and max. Can't play on Legendary reliably at all. As a melee character I am forced into all these survival tools, and have almost no CC (Not that Templar or Berserker has many.). My damage is 'fine' on my Templar and Berserker. They can kill things if they live.

My Warden? Frost. Has 0 problems. Can literally play badly and have no issues cause not only does he do damage, more so than both MELEE CLASSES (which should not be the case, range is safer in general which is reward enough). I get reliable passive CC, and reliable hard CC, and can roll away. Very few things can just run at my Warden and the ones that do usually don't hit hard enough. My warden actually has WORSE GEAR too.

I am just trying to figure out what the developers expect me to do as Melee in legendary. I can't play this game with friends unless we split screen, so I can't play with ranged classes. Am I supposed to hope to get lucky and get insanely overpowered gear?

[Squarebit]

The frost Warden is probably the most overpowered build currently, however I am working on new skill trees so I will re-balance things. This involves giving passive stat bonuses based on the amount of skill points spent in a tree, for example. This will in turn make the melee characters both meatier and stronger!

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Squarebit님이 먼저 게시:

The frost Warden is probably the most overpowered build currently, however I am working on new skill trees so I will re-balance things. This involves giving passive stat bonuses based on the amount of skill points spent in a tree, for example. This will in turn make the melee characters both meatier and stronger!

Whoa, frost warden more OP than fire warlock?

[Squarebit]

ANGELA MERKEL님이 먼저 게시:

Whoa, frost warden more OP than fire warlock?

I *think* so. She has less control but pretty awesome damage output.

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Time to roll one then ;D

[DapperGorilla]

This is amazing to hear thank you. I can vouch for the fact that Frost Warden is insanely strong. It doesn't need hard CC, as the big slowing effects are more than enough.

[ramza902000]

I can attest to the whole 'frost warden being strong' thing. Also what is CC. But besides that melee classes do need some rebalancing. But it could be worse. It could be hero siege in it's unbalancedness. Though...I must admit always having to constantly chase better items does get annoying sometimes. You know due to the enemies always getting stronger.

Kinda makes it impossible to get a good set bonus. By the time you get all 3-4 pieces half those pieces are too weak to be used anymore. There really should potentially be a level ceiling unless you're in an anomaly zone or the last story zone. It also kinda in a way makes leveling far less useful. Just a personal opinion on games with a similar mechanic. Look at final fantasy 8 for god sake and how easy it is to make the game nearly impossible.

For example, for area 1 it possibly scales for levels 1-30, area 2, 31-60, area 3 61-90. And anomaly zones all those levels and beyond. Effectively being post game content type stuff. Considering the level cap can go beyond 100 this premise might need tweaking. But in my opinion it's better then constantly fighting the random number god the whle game. If you get what I mean.

[Squarebit]

ramza902000님이 먼저 게시:

I can attest to the whole 'frost warden being strong' thing. Also what is CC. But besides that melee classes do need some rebalancing. But it could be worse. It could be hero siege in it's unbalancedness. Though...I must admit always having to constantly chase better items does get annoying sometimes. You know due to the enemies always getting stronger.

Kinda makes it impossible to get a good set bonus. By the time you get all 3-4 pieces half those pieces are too weak to be used anymore. There really should potentially be a level ceiling unless you're in an anomaly zone or the last story zone. It also kinda in a way makes leveling far less useful. Just a personal opinion on games with a similar mechanic. Look at final fantasy 8 for god sake and how easy it is to make the game nearly impossible.

For example, for area 1 it possibly scales for levels 1-30, area 2, 31-60, area 3 61-90. And anomaly zones all those levels and beyond. Effectively being post game content type stuff. Considering the level cap can go beyond 100 this premise might need tweaking. But in my opinion it's better then constantly fighting the random number god the whle game. If you get what I mean.

I don't see how area level caps would help with getting sets. So you'd stay in an area and get to the max level, then grind up the set? Sure you'd have the set, but rather than replacing a piece or two every now and then you'd replace the entire set in a few levels that way.. seems more punishing than rewarding in the long run. I mean character is capped at level 100 and from there on you'll be collecting equipment and whatnot for the endgame bits, so you'll still get it all. The story mode is only a part of the game :)

Oh and CC means Crowd Control.. so stuns, rooting, fearing, freezing - that kind of stuff!

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So I'm still not quite seeing it - what makes the frost warden so powerful?

[Squarebit]

Winter Storm + Hailstorm + Hail & Torrent, and add the Legendary set on that = crazy.
I believe Frost Warlock and Frost Warden are the class/build combos that has had the most success in Anomalies so far (reach level 150 and up). Though the sets will be changed with next update, so it's only a temporary overpower :)

[Mortem_Fero]

Yeah i can agree. I am rolling with Frost Warlock and to my testing it was more successful than Fire Warlock.

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Squarebit님이 먼저 게시:

Winter Storm + Hailstorm + Hail & Torrent, and add the Legendary set on that = crazy.
I believe Frost Warlock and Frost Warden are the class/build combos that has had the most success in Anomalies so far (reach level 150 and up). Though the sets will be changed with next update, so it's only a temporary overpower :)

Oh ok, guess I'll have to grind it out and see. I guess I'm surprised because those classes don't seem to have much control, and while damage takes you so far, control will take you further.

Speaking of which, any plans for an anomaly leaderboard or something? (sorry to derail the discussion)

[Dendi]

i have both classes at lvl 100 now and yeah warlock/warden frost are the best damage dealer atm but honestly Warlock frost need so much perfect stuff to be very good like full cdr frost damage full set etc the warden frost can be efficient without that so yeah he is at the top for me

[Squarebit]

ANGELA MERKEL님이 먼저 게시:

Speaking of which, any plans for an anomaly leaderboard or something? (sorry to derail the discussion)

Yep :) eventually!

[rjafarrow]

I'm a devout min/maxer in games and came to the conclusion that thorns templar would be a fast clearing build something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOgZjGau5s

Do frost warlocks and wardens really out perform this by a lot? OP does not mention having Retribution and Titan which strike me as must haves for thorns templar. 30k aoe dps with very high resistances seems to me as effective but I have not seen high level warden play.

Also I am using windows 7 and cannot find a "Betas" tab in properties to test the new templar tree, I only get General, Compatability, Security, Details and Previous Versions tabs. Am I missing something that will let me test the beta version?

[Mortem_Fero]

Hi there. Thats weird the tabs should be "General, Updates, Local Files and Betas" did you go to your steam library and right click Chronicon? If not do this and maybe reboot steam. To your other question I dont know if or by how much the Frost Warden/Warlock outperform the other classes but the new skill revamps will address the balance issues of the game :) try the new Templar its a blast.