Interaction of Machoist set and Shadow Thorns perk

[Hybria]

The 2 piece setbonus of the set lets my thorns do 25% of there value on each bane skill hit.

The perks lets my thorns value go from 50k to like 135k - so on every bane skill hit i deal like 30k extra?

Does that scale any any further way? 30k extra damage seems like a joke compared to 15% extra bane skill on that perk slot.

Does % shadow damage work e.g.?

Edit: White numbers on a warlock is bleed?
(if thats bleed than now i found out what really kills things here)

[Squarebit]

You can turn Thorns into shadow element (its physical by default) via mastery. You can also get your Thorns stat well into the millions :)

White numbers are ethereal damage and bleeds

[Hybria]

So:
Thorns -> turned to shadow by mastery -> gets affected by % shadow damage on gear?

Thanks now i know that all the time i played a "shadow warlock" in reality i played a bleed lock.

The hit that triggers the bleed can crit and the higher base damage leads to a higher bleed. I guess the bleed itsself cant crit? So no double dipping?

Really cool that you take your time to ask "how things work" questions, the help index ingame is allready a big help but of course it cant tell you everything.

[Boink]

Първоначално публикувано от Squarebit:

You can turn Thorns into shadow element (its physical by default) via mastery. You can also get your Thorns stat well into the millions :)

White numbers are ethereal damage and bleeds

As a related question (warden) - what happens when you have the lightning skill = thorns but also the Mastery perk holy = thorns? Which takes precedence?

[Squarebit]

Първоначално публикувано от Hybria:

So:
Thorns -> turned to shadow by mastery -> gets affected by % shadow damage on gear?

Thanks now i know that all the time i played a "shadow warlock" in reality i played a bleed lock.

The hit that triggers the bleed can crit and the higher base damage leads to a higher bleed. I guess the bleed itsself cant crit? So no double dipping?

Really cool that you take your time to ask "how things work" questions, the help index ingame is allready a big help but of course it cant tell you everything.

Correct, and no double dipping :)
Thanks!

Първоначално публикувано от Boink:

Първоначално публикувано от Squarebit:

You can turn Thorns into shadow element (its physical by default) via mastery. You can also get your Thorns stat well into the millions :)

White numbers are ethereal damage and bleeds

As a related question (warden) - what happens when you have the lightning skill = thorns but also the Mastery perk holy = thorns? Which takes precedence?

You mention Holy so I guess you mean Templar? Guessing you mean Avenger as the lightning skill? As the skill changes both element and mechanic, it should take precedence.

Here's a quick reference for element precedence

Templar: Avenger > Fire Thorns > Holy Thorns > default physical
Berserker: Molten Veins > Dragon Thorn (Rune) > default physical
Warlock: Dark Thorns > default physical
Warden: Nature's Barbs / Poisoned Thorns > default physical

[Hybria]

After some testing i still dont get it:

The set bonus of machoist set adds 25% of my thorns on all bone skill hits.

Thorns are called indirect damage in the help file. Indirect damage -> cant triger bone splinters.
But the setbonus turns a quater of it to direct damage -> direct damage can triger bone splinters.

So my thorns really increase my HIT of every bone skill - and that higher hit triggers a higher bleed from bone splinters?

[Squarebit]

Oh, that set can be clarified a bit - it's adding 25% of thorns into the hit damage of the Bone skill, so it'll trigger effects etc.

[Hybria]

Your comunication is so great!
Thank you now i understand why Exoskeleton rune made my bleeddamage go crazy.

I found a bug :

Talisman of Spines: 100% more thorns per Ultimate (WORKS!), Ritual (WORKS!), ... , Utility (doesnt work!)

I have 123k Thorns with 1*ritual und 1*ultimate and 2 open skill slots.
Adding 1 or 2 Utility Skills (soulwarp and soul barrier) --> 123k Thorns.
No increase: Bug?

[Squarebit]

Yep, will be fixed later today with 1.00.5

Thanks :)

[Hybria]

Can i support you in any way - besides buying 3 more copies?
Really 10 Dollars is not enough for your support!

I get my personal hotfix patch ... im stunned.

[Hybria]

Sorry me again ....

My bonestorm does like 1000% damage .. tooltip says something like 500k shadow damage. I have like 20 million thorns.

1. 5 million of the set are added on top of the 500k ... 5,5 million hit and done

2. the 5 million are added and affected by the 1000% of bone storm

If its the first is true things like %reaper damage or %bone skill or pointless for me ... even the 4 skillpoints to max bonestorm does almost nothing ...

If i finally find jons book of souls i can test m15 with my thorns bleed lock

[Squarebit]

it's 1.

but it might change, we'll see. Taking a look at some sets for 1.1 later :)