Thorns Discussion and Stat information request

[Rentazilla]

Attack speed, does this effect only your default attack ? Would be awesome if it effected the rate at stuff abilities triggered. how often say Dots ticked, or lightning shocked. I almost
never use the auto attack in late game. So i tend to consider attack speed worthless, if it is not i would love to know how it works with other triggered abilities.

I keep trying to make stuff like Thorns work but it depends on how often things attack you T_T so it seems it will never scale like i would like.

Some how making thorns scale with
reach: (maybe allowing mobs to hit you farther out)
attack speed:(maybe a passive that made you increase the speed attacks
of enemies around you scaled it with reach and attack speed)
On hit: allowing thorns to trigger enchants would be very nice.
Passive/Legendary: allowing thorns to say trigger passive. What ever skill is in slot 4 triggers
anytime your thorns does damage 1 second cooldown.

I Really liked the old Ultimate skill that pulsed your thorns as aoe.
In my mind i dream of that + the Templars Thorns damage is chain lightning with
the thorns pulse effected by Reach and Attack speed.


At this time i am removing thorns from all my gear. when it triggers 3-4 times
for 100k dmg it is not worth it to be on my gear over reach/cooldown/effect duration/ect.
when my primary attack hits prob around 100 times in about 10 seconds for 3 million per hit, while applying a never ending fire dot stack. My build mentioned above really does not need thorns, and that is understable and really i am not asking to make it viable with the above build. But i would love to make a thorns build but how it currently works i dont see how to make it viable.

As always Great game really enjoy it.

Would love to see some suprises or zone effects in the anomaly levels.

[Arkatar]

I fear the only way to make thorns endgame viable while still making sense is to have some active damage scale off of it. Like in D3, you got the Hack weapon that deals thorns damage on hit, and you have the crusader bombardment and steed skills with runes that makes them deal thorns damage in an active manner.

Without an active form of damage, you can't reliably nor efficiently kill monsters. Not without raising the passive damage to ridiculous proportions.

P.S.: friendly suggestion... you should let Steam wrap the text instead of pressing Enter at arbitrary places in paragraphs.

[Squarebit]

Attack Speed is basically the cast speed.. your character will perform the animations of attacks faster with higher attack speed, so you'll be able to move sooner, and use a different attack (or the same of low CD) sooner.

Don't worry about thorns not being too good right now.. I got a ton of new item powers coming in the future which will provide interesting ways to use thorns!

Thanks!

[Rylocke]

While it's not "best" for any builds, I use a thorns Templar and Berserker which do big AoE damage (tens to hundreds of millions) and have tons of room for defensive affixes on gear since we don't need other types of setups. I'm still effective well into the hundreds of anomalies, but boss damage is my only real concern.

If you build for it effectively, thorns damage can get well into the tens of millions in the character sheet, then it can be augmented from there to do significantly more.

Even without reach affecting the Templar's thorns, for example, it does shoot out chain lightning for 8 and 9-digit damage to multiple enemies. That sounds pretty close to what you imagined without having to use any affixes on gear, thus allowing for resists, regen, health, etc.

[Xalaron]

@Rentazilla I may be missing it but you are aware there is a templar set that makes you deal your thorns damage in an AoE right? I am rather new to the game and saw a piece of this set drop and was tempted to try thorns myself.