The gog barricade. (Many spoilers within.)

[The Incredible Machine]

So, Katie said it's the last night to get the treasure. Firstly, is that true? If not, please tell me and disregard the rest because I'll wait and try again if it's not the last night. It's like day 29 or such.

I have the skull and two gems.

Need the key.

Looks like on the map I have to go through the barricade with 5 gogs and gog king, but I don't really have the stats or money for items to fight them.

I feel like, in QFG, there may have been another solution. Like collapsing a wall or such.

Can't seem to stealth a way thru?

Give me a hint?

(Or combat tips, but I have no money, or time to build combat, I guess.)

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by DrLoboto:

Originally posted by psychotron666:

So I'm not sure if it only gives you the option to get one or the other if you haven't got it yet as kind of a handicap for not exploring thoroughly enough already. But from the dialogue, it was made pretty clear we needed both the skull and the key.

I chose to get the skull; and Katie said she'd get the key. When I passed the gog wall, I found Katie crouching there trying to get to the key, and she told me she had everything under control there and I should see to getting the skull instead. I left, went to get the skull, met her by the gate and she had the key. You don't need to get both yourself, I'm not even sure whether you're meant to be able to get both yourself. What others describe here sounds like a bug in the quest design, triggered by doing things in an unexpected order.

No it was obviously intentional through the dialogue. I told her that I already had the skull and the gem and map when the quest started, so she told me to get the key. She was even there at the pirates place and had different dialogue about me getting the key and hat, and then she leaves to meet me at the wall.

It seems from what I'm reading, if you didn't get the stuff by the time you get that quest, then she says she gets one while you get the other. It's like the easy mode because you didn't explore thoroughly enough by then.


Much the same way later in the game how you can rescue Joel and find the info to fight the wraith, and destroy his phylactery, or you can escape from the wraith on the next day tell the teacher and skip the entire day to have the paladin teacher fight and destroy the wraith while you save Joel.

[DrLoboto]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

It seems from what I'm reading, if you didn't get the stuff by the time you get that quest, then she says she gets one while you get the other. It's like the easy mode because you didn't explore thoroughly enough by then.

Oh, okay. Now I understand what you meant. That's interesting.

Originally posted by psychotron666:

Much the same way later in the game ...

Careful about spoilers, OP hasn't reached that point yet! :)

[The Incredible Machine]

OK, gawd. Thanks for all the tips. I read through the thread.

Hmm.

I got the skull like 2-3 days ago - so restoring is prohibitive. (Incidentally, I like that restoring is prohibitive so you don't save scum exams and poobah etc - but yeah.)

Well, I'll go give whatever the wall thing is a try first. My sneak is very good. (Which is partly why my combat is so bad, I guess.)

I tried drawing off the gogs one by one but they all chase. Like, they're not triggered one by one. The king's ranged thing gets me.

I'll report back.

PS. Maybe the designers meant for you to choose between combat and rope climbing. But, it wasn't really explained properly (and doesn't work unless you don't have either item before talking to Katie.)

Edit 1. Nope. Could stand in between the gogs at the wall, but as soon as I touched it, all five were alterted.

Edit 2. Well. I threw the daggerang from far back. They all came chasing. I used small traps to delay the grunts. I found that if I run back as far as I can each turn, the king can't hit me but I can hit him. Unfortunately, I backed up into the other two gogs patrolling before this battle so ended up fighting 7. I died. But, it looks like a cheesy strategy that may have some merit. I'll try again.

[transolar]

There was a report on this on another thread. It turns out that if you have the pirate half-map and the red gem, and show the red gem to Katie on your first sea caves meeting, the game fails to give you the next quest to get the skull. If you do this in any other order (such as show her the map first), the sequence works. (There are dozens of cases here, one of the most complex scripts in the game.)

I've just fixed this for the first patch, likely next week. In the meantime, you can work around it by loading a previous saved game and giving Katie the map fragment before you show her the red gem. Sorry about the case we missed; all of the possible orders for presenting Katie with quest items in the Sea Caves should work correctly as of the next patch.

[Froggystyle]

I got past the gogs with your guys' help, but these pirates are another matter altogether... Trying a few things now.

Thanks for the tips.

[Froggystyle]

Okay, this quest just pissed me off. Because of this bug, I couldn't get to the door in time after taking care of the zombies, and then Katie is bragging the next day how she found all the treasure. Yet, I still have all of the pieces she needed to enter the door. Stupid as hell.

[transolar]

Froggy, this isn't a bug. It's what makes the game a simulation as well as an adventure. The time limits matter. If Shawn isn't enough of a hero, he's in an entire University filled with them, and someone else will grab the glory. Katie has an entirely different way to get to the treasure, and there is a clue in her dialogue. She can't do it before that day, but if Shawn hasn't helped her by then, why should she wait for him to get around to doing something she can do by herself. Hint: She's close to 100 in the Swimming stat that Shawn doesn't have. Every character in the game has special advantages and disadvantages; that's one of Katie's.

Originally posted by Froggystyle:

Okay, this quest just pissed me off. Because of this bug, I couldn't get to the door in time after taking care of the zombies, and then Katie is bragging the next day how she found all the treasure. Yet, I still have all of the pieces she needed to enter the door. Stupid as hell.

[Froggystyle]

Originally posted by transolar:

Froggy, this isn't a bug. It's what makes the game a simulation as well as an adventure. The time limits matter. If Shawn isn't enough of a hero, he's in an entire University filled with them, and someone else will grab the glory. Katie has an entirely different way to get to the treasure, and there is a clue in her dialogue. She can't do it before that day, but if Shawn hasn't helped her by then, why should she wait for him to get around to doing something she can do by herself. Hint: She's close to 100 in the Swimming stat that Shawn doesn't have. Every character in the game has special advantages and disadvantages; that's one of Katie's.

Originally posted by Froggystyle:

Okay, this quest just pissed me off. Because of this bug, I couldn't get to the door in time after taking care of the zombies, and then Katie is bragging the next day how she found all the treasure. Yet, I still have all of the pieces she needed to enter the door. Stupid as hell.

Well, then my question is, how did she get into the door without the skull or red gem? :P

[psychotron666]

He says in the spoiler tag how she does it

[Froggystyle]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

He says in the spoiler tag how she does it

Ah, I missed that. But then why did she need Shawn in the first place? Lol

[The Incredible Machine]

Originally posted by transolar:

There was a report on this on another thread. It turns out that if you have the pirate half-map and the red gem, and show the red gem to Katie on your first sea caves meeting, the game fails to give you the next quest to get the skull. If you do this in any other order (such as show her the map first), the sequence works. (There are dozens of cases here, one of the most complex scripts in the game.)

I've just fixed this for the first patch, likely next week. In the meantime, you can work around it by loading a previous saved game and giving Katie the map fragment before you show her the red gem. Sorry about the case we missed; all of the possible orders for presenting Katie with quest items in the Sea Caves should work correctly as of the next patch.

I think I must have shown her the gem. But I can't actually remember. I just replayed the conversation and the only two options are, "I already have the skull," and "Look for the key."

It's all good. I'll either beat the gogs or fail the quest.

[DrLoboto]

Originally posted by transolar:

Froggy, this isn't a bug. It's what makes the game a simulation as well as an adventure. The time limits matter. If Shawn isn't enough of a hero, he's in an entire University filled with them, and someone else will grab the glory.

So ... (spoiler for later in the game) how come, in an entire University filled with heroes, Shawn is the only one who can save Joel's life then? Apparently the others aren't that heroic after all, they're just after the treasure and glory. ;)

[The Incredible Machine]

D: Oh god. I got the 7 gogs on my 3rd try after selling everything and buying a couple of full heals. A basically kept backing up to stay out of the king's range until I'd cleared the others.

But I'm at the wall and I have no bomb.

[The Incredible Machine]

Aaarg. I ran back, sold all of the gear I got from the gogs, got a big boom, killed 2 zombie pirates, killed the captain, 3 HP, started going to the gate. 1am. Bed. The following afternoon I went back there and no Katie. At dinner she told me she'd found the treasure. That's OK. She can have it. :P I sure tried.

Edit: I think what I learned is to do everything as early as possible in case you have to run back for gear. Or, possibly, buy one of everything.

Edit2: Oh, exactly the same as Froggy!! Gawd.

[DrLoboto]

Originally posted by The Incredible Machine:

Edit: I think what I learned is to do everything as early as possible

I think the problem is that in the first time-sensitive quest ("catching a thief"), the game teaches the opposite: No matter how much it is stressed that the matter needs to be resolved as quickly as possible and that you are encouraged to figure out the solution by yourself, you can't really do anything until the last day and have to wait for the game to point you to it. After that lesson taught, Hero-U suddenly makes a U-turn; in the following quests, the urgency isn't stressed that much right from the beginning, but time is actually of the essence now and if you just wait for the game to present you with the right opportunity like in the first quest, you fail.