Stuck in normal Evil?

[Videogamer80]

So I've been doing all the evil quests so far to go for the evil route for my first co-op run, but I wanted to fight all the bosses as well, so I did the second paimon quest, as well as the dream place quest, so now I can't start the cultist quests in the second cultist lair. Is there any way to lower my morality, like burning the towns over and over, or am I just stuck and have to go another run of the game?

[Mazzle Dazzle]

It will likely be close. I did an evil run recently and even being largely evil, I almost missed out and just barely eeked by using a late game ability to transform a guy into a demon. That said, it might not hard block you and it could be progression based but I can't say for sure.

[St. Haborym]

Are you talking about the quest where the guy is having nightmares and you have to enter it to kill the demon inside? Don't do that, that gives you good boy points. Just don't do anything nice for anyone except for the quest that gives you the ground pound move, cause that does't affect morality at all.

Oh btw, you said second Paimon quest? Yeah you already screwed up right at the start. You need to kill the man instead of trying to help him and fighting the boss.

Originally posted by Mazzle Dazzle:

It will likely be close. I did an evil run recently and even being largely evil, I almost missed out and just barely eeked by using a late game ability to transform a guy into a demon. That said, it might not hard block you and it could be progression based but I can't say for sure.

That doesn't actually affect your morality at all, because if you don't have enough points before you finish that quest, you never will.

[Gen X Gal Gamer Skye]

You can do either Underworld Dreams OR Paimon Returns and still get Ultimate Evil, but not both, and only if you hit every other evil decision in the game. Note that the caged demon outside Arkos doesn't alter morality at all.

Hilariously, you can actually do Master Arsonist AND break the dam and still get the Ultimate Good ending as long as you don't take the Flood Arkos quest and get to the Destroy the Cult quest beforehand, and it's doable before even clearing Kastka Palace.

Originally posted by St. Haborym:

That doesn't actually affect your morality at all, because if you don't have enough points before you finish that quest, you never will.

Actually, Possessed Husband is worth +3/-6 depending on if you use the good or the evil version of the spell.

[St. Haborym]

Originally posted by NeonCrimsonSkye:

You can do either Underworld Dreams OR Paimon Returns and still get Ultimate Evil, but not both, and only if you hit every other evil decision in the game. Note that the caged demon outside Arkos doesn't alter morality at all.

Hilariously, you can actually do Master Arsonist AND break the dam and still get the Ultimate Good ending as long as you don't take the Flood Arkos quest and get to the Destroy the Cult quest beforehand, and it's doable before even clearing Kastka Palace.

Originally posted by St. Haborym:

That doesn't actually affect your morality at all, because if you don't have enough points before you finish that quest, you never will.

Actually, Possessed Husband is worth +3/-6 depending on if you use the good or the evil version of the spell.

Where did you get that info from?

[Gen X Gal Gamer Skye]

Originally posted by St. Haborym:

Where did you get that info from?

Multiple places. First, the Infernax Wiki. Second, a spreadsheet someone made after fishing the numbers out of the code. Lastly, I personally tested them all by doing both Ultimate Good/Master Arsonist and trying to do as many good decisions as possible while still getting the Ultimate Evil ending. I have done the game over a dozen times doing missions in different orders; both the Wiki and the spreadsheet has proven to be accurate.

Here is the spreadsheet, though the mission to save Wilfred is called "Find Jim". I didn't make it, just found it, but it really is the best tool for working out morality in runs in the game.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uFoqMQfLsmZw5I_wnptUjM1se_nCnpG0xXmD8gzAjCA/edit#gid=0

Here is the modified spreadsheet I used for my Ultimate Good/Master Arsonist playthrough.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10qusM8W7NqWvB9CId2ZVM2E8Z_U6aZBxIThtl26n7t0/edit#gid=0

[St. Haborym]

You personally tested them yourself? Good enough for me.