Spear and Speargun ammo?

[Hinsonator]

Looking back on the Marine demo the Predator had a spear in the test movie you see on the screens, why did they leave them out of the game to be readded in AvP2?
Also it said on one of the Redux maps that the Speargun was ment to have an ammo pickup in AvP, anyone know what happend to it?

[Olde]

Yes, I know I'm very late to this thread. I just wanted to say that there is, in fact, a speargun ammo pickup for the predator in AVP Classic. The developers just never placed it anywhere in the base game. You can find one in the Jungle XL map and probably in another custom map (see the screenshot below). As for why it was omitted, I don't know but my guess would be that it had to do with balancing the races. I tested it out and the pickup gives you 30 spears, and if you already have spears, it adds 30 to however many you have (thus going above the starting limit).

On a related note, you can also find other pickups that the developers never put into the base game in various custom maps (see the other screenshots).

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278535057
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278541230
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278540548

[Hinsonator]

Originally posted by Olde:

Yes, I know I'm very late to this thread. I just wanted to say that there is, in fact, a speargun ammo pickup for the predator in AVP. The developers just never placed it anywhere in the base game. You can find one in the Jungle XL map and probably in another custom map (see the screenshot below). As for why it was omitted, I don't know but my guess would be that it had to do with balancing the races. I tested it out and the pickup gives you 30 spears, and if you already have spears, it adds 30 to however many you have (thus going above the starting limit).

On a related note, you can also find other pickups that the developers never put into the base game in various custom maps (see the other screenshots).

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278535057
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278541230
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278540548

There we go, fixed your post for you.

[Olde]

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Originally posted by Olde:

Yes, I know I'm very late to this thread. I just wanted to say that there is, in fact, a speargun ammo pickup for the predator in AVP. The developers just never placed it anywhere in the base game. You can find one in the Jungle XL map and probably in another custom map (see the screenshot below). As for why it was omitted, I don't know but my guess would be that it had to do with balancing the races. I tested it out and the pickup gives you 30 spears, and if you already have spears, it adds 30 to however many you have (thus going above the starting limit).

On a related note, you can also find other pickups that the developers never put into the base game in various custom maps (see the other screenshots).

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278535057
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278541230
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=278540548

Hey, thanks for the response! I didn't know about the speargun pickup thingy, nor about the other pickups. Thanks for the screenshots. I appreciate anyone getting back to me, especially this well-informed post. Even though I tend to take any opportunity I get to grandstand about how Aliens versus Predator is the only true AVP, I'm going to instead show my gratitude to the only respondant for actually answering my question rather than douchily "edit" your post so as to give you my opinion that AVP Classic is not AVP.

There we go, fixed your post for you.

[Hinsonator]

Technecally it is, and i already knew about the speargun drop because of the AvP redux mod. I was just wondering why they never added it to the base game.

[Olde]

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Technically it is

That's completely irrelevant and debatable because Aliens versus Predator (1999) was not the first AvP game ever released. Even if it were, that doesn't mean you have to make it out to be the one true AVP in nearly every post you make; it's an opinion and nobody cares anyway, especially when you fail to address the actual merits of the respondent's post, but resort to "correcting" it by simply making it fit your own personal opinion. When I say AVP Classic, I'm referring to the 2010 Steam release, AVP99 (*gasp* heresy!) and AVP GE (again, heresy!) because they're all basically the same game. Rebellion changed maybe a few lines of coding at most for the Steam release and mooched off of somebody else's work for it in the first place.

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

i already knew about the speargun drop because of the AvP redux mod.

That's nice. I was telling you that it was programmed in, that it appears in the game, and that it actually works, but that it was never added to the campaign or multiplayer levels and I at least gave you a theory as to why.

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

I was just wondering why they never added it to the base game.

You'd have to ask the developers for the real answer. The issue I brought up is obvious, it makes the predator even more unbalanced. I mean, imagine if they let the speargun pickup actually be an item in the base game. You might as well make it keep your cloaking device working and give it a spreadfire shot because it would be so overpowered as to make the game completely unbalanced in the predator's favor. Kind of like another AVP game...

♥♥♥♥-waving aside, however, I am more interested in this:

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Looking back on the Marine demo... in the test movie...

Where are you looking back on this? YouTube? Or does your copy of the demo work, and if so, how? (seeing as it doesn't work on Windows 7 and, I assume, Windows 8) I would love to play this game's demos.

[Hinsonator]

It's called an FMV, in the game in the story levels there are these screens which FMVs play.
In the marine demo there was an FMV, most likely a test movie showing the marine kill a few aliens towards the beginning of the third marine level, or the demo level and he runs into a Predator which had a spear.
Also i know that it wasn't the first Alien, AvP or Predator game.
But the 1999 game was the first AvP as part of the PC FPS series which is what Alien and AvP has been ever since. While it wasn't the first it was probably the game that put them it on the PC gaming map.

[Olde]

There are combistick-wielding predator NPCs in the game. I haven't a clue why they didn't allow players to use it. It's like asking why there's no shotgun in the game. You'd probably have to ask someone who worked in the development team for the answer.

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

But the 1999 game was the first AvP as part of the PC FPS series which is what Alien and AvP has been ever since.

The only other "PC FPS" game released under the AVP title was AVP2. AVP2010 was not a PC-exclusive game. And since 1999, there have been several non-FPS releases under the AVP title (e.g., AVP:Extinction, which is an RTS, and AVP:Requiem, which is a 3rd person action adventure game). Just because you think AVP99 is the one and only AVP doesn't make it so.

[Hinsonator]

Originally posted by Olde:

There are combistick-wielding predator NPCs in the game. I haven't a clue why they didn't allow players to use it. It's like asking why there's no shotgun in the game. You'd probably have to ask someone who worked in the development team for the answer.

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

But the 1999 game was the first AvP as part of the PC FPS series which is what Alien and AvP has been ever since.

The only other "PC FPS" game released under the AVP title was AVP2. AVP2010 was not a PC-exclusive game. And since 1999, there have been several non-FPS releases under the AVP title (e.g., AVP:Extinction, which is an RTS, and AVP:Requiem, which is a 3rd person action adventure game). Just because you think AVP99 is the one and only AVP doesn't make it so.

It doesn't have to be a PC exlusive game to be a PC game, for example. Half-Life, including the newest games Portal and Portal 2.
Or DooM, Quake or even the first ever FPS, Wolfenstien 3D which have had console ports somewhere down the track.

[Olde]

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

It doesn't have to be a PC exlusive game to be a PC game, for example. Half-Life, including the newest games Portal and Portal 2.
Or DooM, Quake or even the first ever FPS, Wolfenstien 3D which have had console ports somewhere down the track.

At the time of its release, Half-Life was a PC exclusive game. It was designed for PC gamers. They did eventually port it to the PS2 (and also gave console players an auto-targeting system). But you see, all the console ports you mentioned are retroactive ports. Those games were PC-exclusive because the developers intended them to be played only on the PC. Let's take AVP99 as an example; what if that had been ported to consoles? It would still be a PC FPS because the PC is the medium it was created for.

Hence why AVP2010 is not a PC FPS. There are so many accomodations that developers make to concede to the limitations of console players (in the same vein as Valve's inclusion of the auto-targeting system in the PS2 port of Half-life). AVP2010 is no exception. AVP99 is a PC FPS in the truest sense because it can't actually be played to even near its full potential with a controller.

[Hinsonator]

AvP got an unoffical original Xbox source port.
Also Half-Life on Planetside 2? Whaaaa?

[Olde]

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

AvP got an unoffical original Xbox source port.

What do ports matter? Is it a PC game or isn't it?

Originally posted by Hinsonator:

Also Half-Life on Planetside 2? Whaaaa?

http://stevenarch.tymoon.eu/fab/src/132286892838.jpg

[Hinsonator]

No, you said PS2. Also yeah, i guess it doesn't matter if it has a port.

[Olde]

Yes, I did say PS2. If I had mentioned the PS4, would you have thought PlanetSide 4? The fact that you brought up Half-life caused me to assume you knew that it was ported to the, ahem, PLAYSTATION 2.

[Hinsonator]

Originally posted by Olde:

Yes, I did say PS2. If I had mentioned the PS4, would you have thought PlanetSide 4? The fact that you brought up Half-life caused me to assume you knew that it was ported to the, ahem, PLAYSTATION 2.

Yes, but you said Planetside 2 instead of Playstation 2.

[Olde]

Originally posted by Olde:

At the time of its release, Half-Life was a PC exclusive game. It was designed for PC gamers. They did eventually port it to the PS2 (and also gave console players an auto-targeting system).

You're the first person to mention Planetside 2 in this thread.